“If only I’d programmed the robot to be more careful what I wished for. Robot, experience this tragic irony for me!”
NOOOOOOOOOOO
Well yeah I don’t know how to make pictures myself so yeah
…LLM users displayed the weakest connectivity. Cognitive activity scaled down in relation to external tool use… LLM users also struggled to accurately quote their own work. While LLMs offer immediate convenience, our findings highlight potential cognitive costs. Over four months, LLM users consistently underperformed at neural, linguistic, and behavioral levels.
Outsourcing thinking from your brain to an AI literally makes you dumber, less confident in the output, and teaches you nothing.
Call me a Luddite or a hater, but if you’re one of the people who uses AI as a shortcut to actual thought or learning, I will judge you and disregard your output and opinions. Form your own basis of understanding and knowledge instead of a teaspoon deep summary that is frequently incorrect.
They say that, when making an Anki deck, using it is only half the battle because a lot of the learning comes from the act of making it yourself. That advice is older than these LLMs and it really showcases a big reason why they suck. Personally, I haven’t even used autocorrect since 2009.
Being a luddite I feel requires having a highly abstinence-only approach. Knowing what is worth off-loading and what is worth doing yourself is just being smart. I’m really glad that I don’t need to know every detail of modern life but I still take a lot of pride in knowing how quite a lot of it works.
I remembered a movie about the future where some guy couldn’t figure out how to insert the right shape into a hole and he tried to insert a cube into a round hole, I don’t remember exactly, but it’s not so funny when it becomes reality… In any case, due to excessive comfort or convenience, the human brain, so to speak, adapts in the bad sense of the word to what is easier.
remembered a movie about the future where some guy couldn’t figure out how to insert the right shape into a hole
Idiocracy - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
I already watched it the other day to be honest, but thanks anyway. :3
and that is exactly why rich people are demonstrably dumber and more disconnected than most: their life contains far fewer challenges they actually have to overcome.
Here I probably agree with you… by the way, did you know about secret underground cities for the elite on special nuclear reactors? They hope to avoid problems there if a collapse occurs :333
Same with using a calculator, no? Or not memorising log tables.
There’s a key difference between using a tool to crunch a known mathematical equation (because you cannot just say “find X” to the calculator) and having to punch in the right inputs - ergo requiring understanding - and simply asking the teacher for the answer.
Treat AI like the hermit oracle/shaman/divinator of yesteryear, and you’ll get the same results - idiots who don’t know how to think for themselves, and blindly accept what they are told.
This is such a weird take.
Oh poor baby, you need a wittle spell check to make sure you don’t mess up the words in your important email?
Oh little loser, you gotta have an automatic transmission to make the car go vroom vroom?
Oh Mr. has-a-life, you have to pull out Shazam instead of knowing 8 million songs by heart?
All of us use technology to make our lives easier, to supplement skills we don’t want to sink perfectionist-level time into, to enjoy “good enough” results in one area or another.
This kind of holier-than-thou hyperbolic snobbery does nothing to generate actual thoughtful reflection of where to draw the line with technology dependence and only distracts and detracts from actually good critiques of generative AI’s ethics and other negative effects. I wish this sub didn’t allow low-effort meme posts because it’s such a brain rot circle-jerk.
I don’t think the tweet is about technology in general. It is specifically targeting one technology, so I don’t think it impedes “thoughtful reflection of where to draw the line with technology dependence.” There are good uses of AI, certainly. Replacing the human effort necessary for art and writing, though, are definitely not good uses. A big part of what makes art important is that it is effortful - that is why people react so negatively to some postmodern and modern art that doesn’t look like it took great skill to make. As for writing - the only point of writing an essay is to achieve human-to-human connection. Using ChatGPT for stereo instructions is maybe inaccurate, but not bad in the way that using ChatGPT for an essay is bad. That is why the “do you need chat gpt to fuck your wife” zinger hits: you are replacing human interactions with some bullshit gadget.
What do you mean “don’t want”?
ChaosGPT, build me a time machine!
The loss of skill requirements within trades and crafts is likely a major factor in the cascades of ineptitude we experience in our society. The barriers to entry also directly benefitted the quality of those spaces, and naturally flagged the incompetent (if you are incompetent and lack spell check, your mis-spellings served as a demonstration that you are not a skilled writer. Same for driving, musical recognition, engineering as well).
We’ve seen a clear decline in the general quality of all products, and I can’t help but feel that the automation of skill is directly connected to that decline. This tweet seems to mirror that sentiment in its mockery. You don’t have to think anymore about pretty much any of the process, you just get an output you can ship immediately. So it goes without saying that you can be without any skill and still have a footprint within spaces you have no merit to be in.
Well said. I don’t remember the exact headline, but I skimmed an article that said recent graduates are having trouble getting jobs because many entry-level tasks are being automated. This will be a huge problem in a few years because entry-level jobs are the training for upper level jobs. LLMs are not cut out for work that takes careful analysis and communication, and they are useless for tasks where accuracy matters. How do managers propose that we fill those jobs if they won’t train entry-level employees?
The decline in general quality of products is because corporate wants you to buy the same thing over and over again. Quality doesn’t matter.
What kind of evidence are you seeing that there is a loss in skill requirements and lowered barriers to entry?
bruh, it’s literally a mockery. they are mocking the ineptitude of people who use AI.
way to overanalyze a tweet.
“You’re using your brain too much, just enjoy the ‘hUmOr’” as a defense of this is ironically the funniest thing in this thread.
I didn’t say it was humor. I said they are mocking them.
if your AI brainrot hadn’t been so severe you might have comprehended that.
Jesus dude, go touch some grass. you’re getting bent out of shape over such an insignificant piece of shit like me, it’s pathetic.
Pedantry. “Think less, shut up, accept what the algorithm feeds you from this sub without question” was still the basic gist.
🤷♂️ I’m drinking tea and having a nice day. Sorry you think I’m getting bent out of shape just because I’m critiquing your poorly thought-out comments. 🙂
you’re getting bent out of shape over such an insignificant piece of shit like me, it’s pathetic.
My guy it honestly sounds like you’re the one who needs to take a screen break more than I do. Be well.
You said something here that is pertinent, but also revealing. We all use technology everyday to make our lives easier, but does it? The automatic transmission cited above allowed anyone with a pulse the ability to get behind the wheel of a car rather than putting in any effort to acquire the skill to operate a motor vehicle. Great for the people who built our car-ciety, we have all suffered for it, including inaccessible essential services w/o one and getting stuck in traffic caused in the most part by people who should never be behind a wheel of a car. Do you want people writing books and creating art that have no business writing books or creating art? Cause we’ve got that now. Great…
I don’t think automatic transmissions are in any way responsible for car centric urban planning, Europe has plenty of it and the transition to automatics is very slow and quite recent.
I agree far too many people are allowed to drive when they shouldn’t but people dying on the road is more socially acceptable than stringent standards for being allowed to operate lethal machines at insanely high speeds (in terms of kinetic energy at least).
Yes, the automatic transmission is not solely responsible, but it was a means to an end. How can we get more people in cars? Make it easier to drive! Brilliant. Except now we have this… It’s irrational but it’s my brain and I can do what I want with it!
Too true. Cars and motorized vehicles make everything too easy. Lets go back to horses. But even that is making people less capable of walking long distance. Lets go back to the good old days of not technology at all!
We all use technology everyday to make our lives easier, but does it?
🙄 Yes. If you disagree with something this obvious, please write me a lengthy letter explaining why and send it by horse & buggy mail carrier. I promise, I’ll read and respond just as soon as I’m able.
Do you want people writing books and creating art that have no business writing books or creating art?
🤮🤮🤮 Maybe we should require an intelligence test before allowing people to post their opinions on the internet too? Or have children?
If you actually think that disallowing some people to create art because they aren’t “good enough,” then you aren’t really defending art or artists at all.
The point is we value people who are at the top of their specific game for a reason. When the barriers to access are removed, that’s great, but it dilutes the end game product over all. Sorry not sorry. Easier lives makes dumber people I guess? Boy that’s so cool! I get it, busy people can use AI to make their days less busy, but people who aren’t too busy are using it and getting dumber for it. Prove me wrong. Yes technology has a myriad of benefits, but also a myriad of pitfalls too. Weird, eh? I’m not disallowing people from making art, but no one should or would buy it in a real world environment. I would ask, what value does it add to the world? Art is an expression of the artist interpreting the world. AI art is rubbish and it gives you exactly what you ask for. Cool? Maybe, but not art.
Again, this whole idea that you need to make an argument about the tradeoffs of technology in general in order to make an argument against AI is weak and needless. Do you have a smart phone you use the calculator on sometimes, or do you write out all your long-form division? Is everyone who owns a microwave, uses tax preparation software, or switches to an electric toothbrush just a lazy dumb-dumb in your mind?
When the barriers to access are removed, that’s great
but it dilutes the end game product over all.
AI art is rubbish and it gives you exactly what you ask for.
Cool? Maybe,
This is just talking out of both sides of your mouth trying to sound fair and balanced instead of actually making a good argument. “AI art is rubbish” – yes!!! We don’t need vacuous, hypocritical hot takes on using technology to say that.
That’s not the only thing I’m talking about, but it seemed relevant to the post? Way to fixate on one thing I am saying instead of just agreeing with me? I thought an argument was supposed to be thought out? I’m not just talking about AI though. I really hate the automatic transmission if you really want to know. Like, it doesn’t rule my life or anything, I just think it has allowed stupid people to get in my way. AI art is slop and I’m not afraid of being replaced. Just so we are clear!
Well, thanks to AI, art may soon die. Well, you’ve heard of AI agents. Those who control them will brazenly take over the market and push out real artists and writers, and then there’s this AI moderation. Damn, at this rate, authors will have to sell offline so their work doesn’t get stolen or banned, lol
You are mad at automatic transmission too? Maybe you should also consider the method in which you are having this conversation before attacking types technology. Tech has always been about making things easier.
I may say you are right, but AI is not just a tool…
It doesn’t do that at all. People creating great art isn’t going away. Stop being a dumb gatekeeper too.
This is not a fact, capitalism is a cruel thing, so real authors who write with pain and realism will be increasingly difficult to find among the AI garbage.
Who is gatekeeping?! Just cause I don’t feel the same as you doesn’t mean you can’t do a thing? Technology is great, but it can also be stupid, and dangerous, and misused and by golly, even detrimental.
and only distracts and detracts from actually good critiques
No, it doesn’t. You just want to be able to pick from your buffet of cake flavors without it being morally complicated. Gen AI is demon technology made by demons, and those demons deserve mockery and ridicule. It should be impolite to be this anti-social.
Ok, keep religion out of it. Be real.
What, we can’t have a little poetry? Is fun illegal now?
No! No fun allowed!
The goddamn meta commercial where the dad is asking, “meta, how do I get my toddler to eat breakfast” makes me wants to implode every fucking time. Like you can’t feed your kid?
Not sure how that is different to googling it
“he likes it when you make funny faces”
I won’t pretend I didn’t Google things, but it was mainly getting them to sleep. When you aren’t sleeping, desperation is a very real thing.
Eating though, I like to use “This is the next thing you eat” on my kids.
where the fuck are meta commercials popping up
Hbo and Netflix, probably during the sports games my husband watches.
I delivered pizza during COVID and most people I worked with couldn’t follow simple directions to an address or read a road map. If a destination didn’t show up on their cellphone’s navigation then they were immediately and hopelessly lost.
If you don’t use and exercise your brain then it atrophies and dies. AI is going turn a lot of people into conscious vegetables.
We need to teach people curiosity. I use my GPS all the time because of construction and stuff but I also look at the route before I leave so that I know where I’m headed on my own, too. Meanwhile I know people who’ve lived in a city for decades and still can’t get around it without help.
We need to teach people curiosity.
This is called being a lifelong learner. Learning something new every week, or even daily, no matter how small, will always improve your life. It keeps your mind active and it adds to your problem solving.
Absolutely.
Thinking about it, our school systems do prioritize memorizing just enough information to pass a test and then people just kinda forget it all because they didn’t really get a chance to internalize it. The best teacher I ever had earned that title from me because he took the main curriculum and threw it out, teaching us instead how to be comfortable and confident with the CAD program. When the other class, taught by the moron who wrote the curriculum, even, joined us the semester after they basically had to be retaught because they retained nothing over the Christmas break and the rest of us kinda just sat there until they figured it out.
It ends up discouraging “frivilous” learning, demanding we learn not only specific stuff but so much of it that there’s no way we can actually absorb it. It’s the difference between letting a sponge soak in a bucket and just dipping it in the ocean.
I have this problem with a bunch of new hires. I’ll show them another way to do something and they’ll ask, oh where was that written down? I said Just think about what I just did and how it makes sense, its not written down this is a neat trick i’m showing you. I swear there is no creativity or critical thinking anymore, just a bunch of automatons that follow protocol to the letter and the second there is a situation outside those very narrow parameters they just implode. Someone had to figure all of this out at one point and make the protocol in the first place, sometimes there is no step by step guide and you need to exercise judgement and make some decisions on your own.
Humans are unlearning how to adapt.
Pretty sure this has been happening for decades. The “problem” (it’s not a problem) is navigation systems, not LLMs.
I don’t think they were blaming AI for the inability to follow directions without a GPS… They were making an analogy.
The root issue is the same, which is: to delegate more and more rational thought to machines.
Yup. How many phone numbers do you have memorized? If you’re from the era before cellphones you had to memorize numbers or carry a cheat sheet. You probably had anywhere from 10-30 numbers memorized. Now people don’t even know their spouses numbers.
They will monetize those chatbots.
And I want to see how many will pull out their wallet when it happens.
And I worry it will be almost every hardcore user, for the fear of being left out and performing worse than anyone else.
The trap is set, it has sprung, and now we wait will the owner comes for the feast.
They will monetize those chatbots.
They already did? They have premium plans, pro plans, free plans, etc.
I mean they will disable the free version.
Can it maybe just give her an orgasm for me? I’m way to lazy to do it myself.
/it’s sarcasm, you dumb fuck
me doublefisting magic wands
Love it.
Steve Jobs once called the personal computer a bicycle for the mind; ChatGPT is a wheelchair for the mind. There is no shame in using a wheelchair if you need one, but if you don’t need one and use one anyway, you will come to need it.
Steve Jobs also thought eating fruit could cure cancer…
I’d say chatgpt is more like a self-driving tesla stuck in huge traffic. you don’t have any control, it can break down easily, you’re moving slower than a bike, all the while thinking that people who chose the bike to avoid the traffic are losers.
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what you’re calling lazy fucks are most likely disabled people who you’ve preassigned an able-bodied role in your mind based on perceived ability based on their appearance.
a fuckton of disabilities are not apparent to the uneducated eye and also a lot of us are undiagnosed and/or ambulatory mobility aid users.
so no, you can’t “always tell”. mind your own business.
I understand what you’re saying and sorry if it seemed insensitive. I grew up in a town where actually disabled people often couldn’t use the Wal-Mart electric carts because they were in use by people who were very much able-bodied and just felt like being redneck pieces of garbage. It was a whole drama-rama at the Wal-Mart about who could use the carts. And this was after we dealt with the sign about leaving your guns in the car and not shopping with an iron on your leg.
But, it was a special town full of hate, so maybe that was a unique situation.
Damn, that’s a good metaphor. Gonna steal that for myself.
this metaphor is ableist because nobody is pushing wheelchair use on abled people, unlike ChatGPT. and no, abled people won’t become “dependent” on wheelchairs because they’ll realize how miserable life is when you’re barred from most public establishments.
most of the people perceived as “faking it” are just disabled people who can’t afford a diagnosis or won’t be diagnosed by medics due to racism, fatphobia, etc.
You make a good point.
I don’t agree that no one pushes wheelchairs on people who don’t need them (based on my personal experience). I live in a country with socialized medicine so i am not used to cost being a barrier to care, and i didn’t consider the american context.
you are definitely right that i am looking at wheelchairs the wrong way. i agree that they are liberating for many people. lately i have been pushing a stroller and it opened my eyes the tiniest bit to how many places are hostile to anything on wheels. i can barely imagine the access challenges that a person in a chair faces. the metaphor i used was totally off the mark in that respect.
i will let my comment stand, but i will think about what you said and try to be better.
This metaphor is a … metaphor and does not say or imply anyone is pushing wheelchairs on able bodies people or that a significant amount of wheelchair users does not need them.
But if you start consistently using a wheelchair when there is no physical reason for you to use one, will your muscles not atrophy, thereby making you need it?
I don’t think this metaphor is inherently ableist. That wheelchairs aren’t being pushed onto anyone isn’t really relevant, nor is the fact that very few people fake needing a wheelchair. I don’t think the person you replied to was shaming anyone for “faking it.” Just saying that if you don’t need a wheelchair, it’s probably a bad idea to use one.
Just saying that if you don’t need a wheelchair, it’s probably a bad idea to use one.
it is ableist though, because we get told we don’t need to use one every single day. this stems from ableds vilifying wheelchair use as a “downgrade on the human experience” as opposed to a liberation tool, which is what it actually is.
their metaphor wouldn’t even exist if this mentality wasn’t normalized.
But… the person you’re replying to didn’t say you don’t need to use a wheelchair. They said that if someone genuinely doesn’t need to use a wheelchair, using one will likely have negative effects. Which is just, like, true? In my head, it’s roughly akin to saying, “If you consistently take a medication you don’t need, you’re probably going to wind up needing a different medication to counteract the negative effects of the medication you unwisely took.”
You’re completely right that wheelchairs are liberation tools and shouldn’t be vilified. And as someone who needs medical intervention to survive, I understand your frustration with ableist rhetoric. I just think your reading of this one is a bit off the mark.
what negative effects are there for ableds using a wheelchair? gonna need a few sources besides conjecture.
the only way they’d get hurt is from other ableds assaulting them or getting a badly fitted chair, which also happens with bikes. the double standard is that bikes would never get called a downgrade outside of carbrain spaces.
Muscle atrophy? From not using your muscles? Can you not read??? Maybe you’re using chat GPT to reply.
OK then, show me an able-bodied person who got diagnosed with muscle atrophy from using a wheelchair. you’re living in fairy land
You are such a moron
I will honestly not be surprised if in a few years we have young to middle aged people who have become so dependent on “AI” that they’ll be forced into assisted living homes because they are unable to function without it.
Ehhhh. Sorta? Not in the way that I think you think. This will be a thing, but it’ll be for people who were otherwise mentally disabled.
You’d be surprised the mental diversity of adults, especially in the US. Like apparently some fraction of adults with a whole number on the denominator are functionally illiterate, yet they don’t need assisted living homes.
As if the USA would provide that service for them. Many people do need help but instead live in squalor and are often only cared for, if at all, by burnt-out family members while everyone involved lives well below the poverty line.
It’s not a good place.
It’s like a mashup between Wall-e and The Matrix.
But like, a gross mashup of only the worst parts.
this is already happening to disabled youth under any administration, no need for a hypothetical AI takeover scenario.
It is?
Watch Wall-e to remind society how lazy and dependent on AI can end up.
Amazing documentary. Really enlightened me about current reality. \s
I almost spit out my breakfast in laughter. Thanks for this one, OP. 😂
Don’t dom me into AI 😭
If that’s all it takes for you to give up critical thought, you have far more problems than you’d ever care to admit.
Relax I’m making a dumb joke. Actually you’re always free to insult me moreI would give up critical thought for someone degrading me any day of the week
Hey don’t kink shamem
kink shamem
Hah… typo or intentional?
