…LLM users displayed the weakest connectivity. Cognitive activity scaled down in relation to external tool use… LLM users also struggled to accurately quote their own work. While LLMs offer immediate convenience, our findings highlight potential cognitive costs. Over four months, LLM users consistently underperformed at neural, linguistic, and behavioral levels.
Outsourcing thinking from your brain to an AI literally makes you dumber, less confident in the output, and teaches you nothing.
Call me a Luddite or a hater, but if you’re one of the people who uses AI as a shortcut to actual thought or learning, I will judge you and disregard your output and opinions. Form your own basis of understanding and knowledge instead of a teaspoon deep summary that is frequently incorrect.
They say that, when making an Anki deck, using it is only half the battle because a lot of the learning comes from the act of making it yourself. That advice is older than these LLMs and it really showcases a big reason why they suck. Personally, I haven’t even used autocorrect since 2009.
Being a luddite I feel requires having a highly abstinence-only approach. Knowing what is worth off-loading and what is worth doing yourself is just being smart. I’m really glad that I don’t need to know every detail of modern life but I still take a lot of pride in knowing how quite a lot of it works.
Personally, I haven’t even used autocorrect since 2009
Genuinely the weirdest flex I have ever seen.
No autocorrect? Pfft, filthy casuals. I haven’t even stricken a line through a word since the Carter administration.
Oh for sure, I won’t argue that, but it does explain my point. Even when I use a program with the squiggly red line I correct it myself so that I can reinforce the correct spelling.
I remembered a movie about the future where some guy couldn’t figure out how to insert the right shape into a hole and he tried to insert a cube into a round hole, I don’t remember exactly, but it’s not so funny when it becomes reality… In any case, due to excessive comfort or convenience, the human brain, so to speak, adapts in the bad sense of the word to what is easier.
remembered a movie about the future where some guy couldn’t figure out how to insert the right shape into a hole
Idiocracy - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
was that at the current regimes swear in right?
I already watched it the other day to be honest, but thanks anyway. :3
and that is exactly why rich people are demonstrably dumber and more disconnected than most: their life contains far fewer challenges they actually have to overcome.
I agree all rich people are stupid people
The business of a king separates him from the world…
Here I probably agree with you… by the way, did you know about secret underground cities for the elite on special nuclear reactors? They hope to avoid problems there if a collapse occurs :333
Same with using a calculator, no? Or not memorising log tables.
There’s a key difference between using a tool to crunch a known mathematical equation (because you cannot just say “find X” to the calculator) and having to punch in the right inputs - ergo requiring understanding - and simply asking the teacher for the answer.
Treat AI like the hermit oracle/shaman/divinator of yesteryear, and you’ll get the same results - idiots who don’t know how to think for themselves, and blindly accept what they are told.
LLMs are less replacing the need for log tables, and more replacing the need to understand why you need a log table. Less replacing a calculator and more replacing the fundamental understanding of math. Sure, you could argue that it doesn’t matter if people know math, and in the end you might be right. But given that ChatGPT can and will spit out random numbers instead of a real answer, I’d rather have someone who actually understands math be designing buildings, people who actually understand anatomy and medicine being surgeons. Sure, a computer science guy cheating with ChatGPT through school and his entire career probably won’t be setting anyone back other than himself and the companies that hire him, but they aren’t the only ones using the “shortcut” that is ChatGPT
I was never taught what log tables actually are. Anytime logarithms were brought it, it was just “type it in to your calculator and it will tell you”
That wasn’t my experience in school, but there’s a good chance you were just in an introductory class or similar. However, that doesn’t change anything about my argument. If you need the log of something, you knew that you needed to look up the log in a table to solve the problem. ChatGPT removes the need to even understand that you can use a log to solve a problem, and instead spits out an answer. Yes, people can use ChatGPT to accelerate learning, as one would a calculator, and in those instances I think it’s somewhat valuable if you completely ignore the fact that it will lie to your face and claim to be telling you the truth. However, anecdotally I know quite a few folks that are using it as a replacement for learning/thinking, which is the danger people are talking about.
Better comparison would be opening a song on radio and saying “see I can produce music.” You still don’t know about music production in the end.
Personally dont think that’s a good comparison. I would say it’s more like taking a photo and claiming you know how to paint. You’re still actually cre a ting something, but using a digital tool that does it for you. You chose the subject and fiddle with setting to get a better image closer to what you want and then can take it into software to edit it further.
Its art in its own right, but you shouldn’t directly compare it to painting.
Even that is a bad analogy, it’s like commissioning a painter to paint something for you, and then claiming you know how to paint. You told an entity that knows how to do stuff what you wanted, and it gave it to you. Sure, you can ask for tweaks here and there, but in terms of artistic knowledge, you didn’t need any and didn’t provide any, and you didn’t really directly create anything. Taking a decent photo requires more knowledge than generating something on ChatGPT. Not to mention actually being in front of the thing you want a photo of.
I think my analogy is more accurate
Care to explain? I think your analogy gives the credit of art creation to someone who didn’t create art, and thus is flawed.
I mean i think i explained myself quite well already, and not to be insulting to you, but i dont think you’re willing to accept any argument i would make that goes against what you already beleive, since your argument against it simply you asserting your own beliefs (that AI art isnt art) as an immutable fact
“If only I’d programmed the robot to be more careful what I wished for. Robot, experience this tragic irony for me!”
NOOOOOOOOOOO
Love it.
Steve Jobs once called the personal computer a bicycle for the mind; ChatGPT is a wheelchair for the mind. There is no shame in using a wheelchair if you need one, but if you don’t need one and use one anyway, you will come to need it.
Steve Jobs also thought eating fruit could cure cancer…
I’d say chatgpt is more like a self-driving tesla stuck in huge traffic. you don’t have any control, it can break down easily, you’re moving slower than a bike, all the while thinking that people who chose the bike to avoid the traffic are losers.
Damn, that’s a good metaphor. Gonna steal that for myself.
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what you’re calling lazy fucks are most likely disabled people who you’ve preassigned an able-bodied role in your mind based on perceived ability based on their appearance.
a fuckton of disabilities are not apparent to the uneducated eye and also a lot of us are undiagnosed and/or ambulatory mobility aid users.
so no, you can’t “always tell”. mind your own business.
I understand what you’re saying and sorry if it seemed insensitive. I grew up in a town where actually disabled people often couldn’t use the Wal-Mart electric carts because they were in use by people who were very much able-bodied and just felt like being redneck pieces of garbage. It was a whole drama-rama at the Wal-Mart about who could use the carts. And this was after we dealt with the sign about leaving your guns in the car and not shopping with an iron on your leg.
But, it was a special town full of hate, so maybe that was a unique situation.
this metaphor is ableist because nobody is pushing wheelchair use on abled people, unlike ChatGPT. and no, abled people won’t become “dependent” on wheelchairs because they’ll realize how miserable life is when you’re barred from most public establishments.
most of the people perceived as “faking it” are just disabled people who can’t afford a diagnosis or won’t be diagnosed by medics due to racism, fatphobia, etc.
But if you start consistently using a wheelchair when there is no physical reason for you to use one, will your muscles not atrophy, thereby making you need it?
I don’t think this metaphor is inherently ableist. That wheelchairs aren’t being pushed onto anyone isn’t really relevant, nor is the fact that very few people fake needing a wheelchair. I don’t think the person you replied to was shaming anyone for “faking it.” Just saying that if you don’t need a wheelchair, it’s probably a bad idea to use one.
Just saying that if you don’t need a wheelchair, it’s probably a bad idea to use one.
it is ableist though, because we get told we don’t need to use one every single day. this stems from ableds vilifying wheelchair use as a “downgrade on the human experience” as opposed to a liberation tool, which is what it actually is.
their metaphor wouldn’t even exist if this mentality wasn’t normalized.
But… the person you’re replying to didn’t say you don’t need to use a wheelchair. They said that if someone genuinely doesn’t need to use a wheelchair, using one will likely have negative effects. Which is just, like, true? In my head, it’s roughly akin to saying, “If you consistently take a medication you don’t need, you’re probably going to wind up needing a different medication to counteract the negative effects of the medication you unwisely took.”
You’re completely right that wheelchairs are liberation tools and shouldn’t be vilified. And as someone who needs medical intervention to survive, I understand your frustration with ableist rhetoric. I just think your reading of this one is a bit off the mark.
what negative effects are there for ableds using a wheelchair? gonna need a few sources besides conjecture.
the only way they’d get hurt is from other ableds assaulting them or getting a badly fitted chair, which also happens with bikes. the double standard is that bikes would never get called a downgrade outside of carbrain spaces.
Muscle atrophy? From not using your muscles? Can you not read??? Maybe you’re using chat GPT to reply.
OK then, show me an able-bodied person who got diagnosed with muscle atrophy from using a wheelchair. you’re living in fairy land
You are such a moron
This metaphor is a … metaphor and does not say or imply anyone is pushing wheelchairs on able bodies people or that a significant amount of wheelchair users does not need them.
You make a good point.
I don’t agree that no one pushes wheelchairs on people who don’t need them (based on my personal experience). I live in a country with socialized medicine so i am not used to cost being a barrier to care, and i didn’t consider the american context.
you are definitely right that i am looking at wheelchairs the wrong way. i agree that they are liberating for many people. lately i have been pushing a stroller and it opened my eyes the tiniest bit to how many places are hostile to anything on wheels. i can barely imagine the access challenges that a person in a chair faces. the metaphor i used was totally off the mark in that respect.
i will let my comment stand, but i will think about what you said and try to be better.
I don’t agree that no one pushes wheelchairs on people who don’t need them (based on my personal experience)
may I ask what you mean by personal experience? are you a wheelchair user who’s gone through the gatekeeping system to be prescribed one? if not, i think you have a highly idealized view of what that system looks like and how ableism is truly a global problem in medicine. i wasn’t even talking from an American perspective.
you may live in a country with socialized medicine but I’m not aware of any system whose universal healthcare also applies to disabled people. even if the cost barrier was eliminated, all the other barriers to access like legal status, ableism and racism wouldn’t go anywhere unless nation states and hierarchies ceased to be a thing.
The goddamn meta commercial where the dad is asking, “meta, how do I get my toddler to eat breakfast” makes me wants to implode every fucking time. Like you can’t feed your kid?
If you can’t outsmart a child, do we have a product for you!!!
I won’t pretend I didn’t Google things, but it was mainly getting them to sleep. When you aren’t sleeping, desperation is a very real thing.
Eating though, I like to use “This is the next thing you eat” on my kids.
where the fuck are meta commercials popping up
Hbo and Netflix, probably during the sports games my husband watches.
My son was born with a heart defect. VSD if you’re curious. Basically, the most important thing is to eat, gain weight, and outgrow it. What do you think is the one thing we can’t get him to do? He’s now 8 years old and just a hair over 50 pounds. He’s normal height for his age, but skinny as a rail. He refuses to eat anything but chicken nuggets and french fries, and a handful of other things, the only vegetable we can get him to eat is carrots. Yes, I’ve googled how to feed him a few times, but without much success.
The response from the ai in the advertisement is “he likes it when you make funny faces”.
It has nothing to do with researching conditions, or other parental resources one may need.
“Googling” (may I suggest folks change this language, I like ecosia.org for my searches) things you may want to know more about, and being able to verify where the information came from, is a lot different than asking a glorified alexa for advice on basic human tasks.
Like you can’t feed your kid?
Tell me how you haven’t raised a child, without telling me you haven’t raised a child.
Those little fuckers are insistent, and you’ll think “I’ll just out-energy them”… No, no, you don’t. They will make your life hell, if you don’t know what you’re doing, and you may not know because you’ve got into a routine, but those little shits will change their behaviour every few weeks, and you will have to keep up, while only getting 5 or 6 hours of sleep per night (if you’re lucky).
I can very much imagine parents asking an LLM for help. People don’t just instantly turn retarded, and can just reject an answer if it doesn’t help.
Not sure how that is different to googling it
“he likes it when you make funny faces”
I’m sure it’s a repost, but i always love to see it lol
I do to, it always ruffles a bunch of feathers.
The volume on the ruffling is up since last time, which i find very interesting. Like even if you made this bit about something i did, like websearching, i wouldn’t get so tilted.
I wonder what it is about llms that gets people so defensive.
Suits really really want LLMs to be able to replace employees, so suits and sycophantic morons both get unreasonbaly tilted when they’re rightfully mocked or proven fucking braindead for those wishes.
I’m sure it’s a lot of things. The bottom line, though, is that the fruit is too sweet. And so you get a dynamic very similar to veganism, climate change, health-conscious eating, anti-smoking, etc., where people want to behold their fruits without feeling like they’re villains for it—criticism of smoking is to criticise a person for smoking as well, you see? It becomes like a moral failing of their character. It’s just insecurity.
Bitcoin didn’t really catch on because, besides money laundering schemes, it doesn’t really have a purpose. But AI has lots of purposes. It eases the burden of writing, it can do your homework for you, it’s a better search engine because google sabotaged their own, it can generate DnD assets for “free”—and lastly, this is a really big one, it fills an emotional niche in lonely people.
I can’t promise that in a world where people didn’t live their whole lives in suburban houses, in small bedrooms, on their computer all day with remarkably few friends, that people wouldn’t take to gen AI as much as they do, but it’s certainly not helping.
Suburban households and their culture have been a disaster for the human race.
I dunno man. That’s a deep dive. I’m not talking to it like it’s my girlfriend, sometimes I need to make a PowerPoint and there’s an image that I think would convey a point. I lack the artistic skills to produce it so I use an Ai help every once and awhile. I’m not convinced I’m as terrible and lonely a person as you make me out to be but I’ll ask my psychiatrist about it just in case.
And yet some people do.
The idea that a robot which pretends to be your friend might satiate some people’s desire to have a friend is not that deep a cut. It’s barely even interesting.
sometimes I need to make a PowerPoint and there’s an image that I think would convey a point.
Don’t worry, we’re all here to help you out.
- You can use GIMP to put images on top of one another.
- You can draw stick figures and other “shorthands” for objects.
- There’s this video here that can show you other tools for illustration rather than using AI.
- It’s also a good idea to get into a type of drawing, where instead of detailed illustration, it deals with visualizations such as maps, graphs, and flowcharts. You might want to practice that.
Also, you might just find an image that is pre-generated by some douchebag and ends up in your search results. The main thing you don’t want to do is generate any new material.
I wasn’t worried. I would need to share Lemmy’s glaring hatred for AI to be motivated to invest that sort of time commitment. At my current state of bland boredom, I’m not there. Maybe if it takes my job or fucks my wife I’ll get back to you, but I’m not big into fear. Any tool can be a weapon, any tool can be misused, AI is just another tool. It’s not a cancer and its not a religion.
Boredom? I’m not bored. I’m fucking terrified of the government and the people behind it.
Let’s be honest though if there were sex bots AI would be even more popular than it already is
Well I have news for you, my friend.
(Shows all the weird sex AI chatbots)
Nah, man. That won’t cut it.
The day real doll bots can suck dick without me doing anything but watch and enjoy, that’s the day I’ll get one and become asocial.
if that was available, i think it would be harder for alt-right extremism to take hold
I don’t want to steer the conversation towards U.S. politics. Let’s focus on making sex robots that look like Margot Robbie happen once and for all.
Sadly the US isn’t the only place right wing morons have or are gaining traction.
Well, shit.
I hope one day I can cry and my Margot Robbie robot can comfort me by bringing me chocolate.
not even just the US but everywhere!
i feel like if everyone could get their PP touched the world would be a better place! and it truly wouldn’t matter if what was touching ones PP was a robot/device/ combination of devices or just another human being. (with their own addictions, triggers, baggage, debt, preconceptions about what the PP holder has to do to justify feeling such a connection)
i know this sounds like Incel talk but that’s precisely the kind of person that can easily get roped into malicious ideologies because nobody wants to suck on their ridiculous unwashed genitals.
those types of people could unload their genetic material into something that will keep them from being unwilling parents forced to raise another human with potentially similar values.
i see a lot of good in a world like that
I love women, but sometimes I just don’t want to deal with the stuff they may bring into a relationship (sexual or otherwise). Not because they’re women. Let’s just say because they’re human.
So it’s not only “incel” men benefitting from this.
“MARGOT!! Time for my nightly oil rub” “Ok, thanks. Please clean up and put yourself away.”
agreed! from this moment on PP stands for “precious penis/precious p***y”
self censored to spare everyone’s eyes from
spoiler
pussy
You all need to read up on Marxism and capitalist alienation
Care to elaborate?
I delivered pizza during COVID and most people I worked with couldn’t follow simple directions to an address or read a road map. If a destination didn’t show up on their cellphone’s navigation then they were immediately and hopelessly lost.
If you don’t use and exercise your brain then it atrophies and dies. AI is going turn a lot of people into conscious vegetables.
We need to teach people curiosity. I use my GPS all the time because of construction and stuff but I also look at the route before I leave so that I know where I’m headed on my own, too. Meanwhile I know people who’ve lived in a city for decades and still can’t get around it without help.
We need to teach people curiosity.
This is called being a lifelong learner. Learning something new every week, or even daily, no matter how small, will always improve your life. It keeps your mind active and it adds to your problem solving.
Absolutely.
Thinking about it, our school systems do prioritize memorizing just enough information to pass a test and then people just kinda forget it all because they didn’t really get a chance to internalize it. The best teacher I ever had earned that title from me because he took the main curriculum and threw it out, teaching us instead how to be comfortable and confident with the CAD program. When the other class, taught by the moron who wrote the curriculum, even, joined us the semester after they basically had to be retaught because they retained nothing over the Christmas break and the rest of us kinda just sat there until they figured it out.
It ends up discouraging “frivilous” learning, demanding we learn not only specific stuff but so much of it that there’s no way we can actually absorb it. It’s the difference between letting a sponge soak in a bucket and just dipping it in the ocean.
So tell me how using a technology that can help summarize topics, create transcripts from meetings, and act like a teacher to ask questions too prevents this from happening? We need to teach people how to use the tools at hand pretending they dont exist won’t put the genie back in the bottle it will only further excasbate the problem. Yes using gen ai to write your paper for you is a terrible use case. Feeding it a research paper and asking it to break it down into simpler topics so one can build their knowledge and asking for it to help with creating a bibliography on a paper so you can worry about the information at hand instead of trying to remember the syntax for the myriad of different ways one can site sources on the other hand is extremely useful and helps contribute to lifelong learners.
I’m just going to leave this here. Title is a bit clickbait-y, but it’s a good video. https://youtu.be/DNE0sy7mR5g
Summarizing topics is nothing more than Cliffs Notes, and if you got caught using those, you were busted. You needed to do the work and read the whole thing to complete the assignment. Shortcuts mean you lose things that may be important.
Transcripts are fine if you are actually there, voice to text is never perfect. People have accents and computers mess up words that sound alike, accent or not. People don’t always pronounce correctly.
Asking an LLM to teach you something is never going to work out until the creators specifically feed it valid, true information, not scrape the internet and people’s text messages. And then you need to teach it to think like a Human, which it never will.
Feeding it a research paper seems like it might work out, but that deprives you of the ability to problem solve. You need to learn to be organized, take notes in a structured manner, choose what you believe is pertinent information in that paper. You participate, not passively get told what it is. This is a brain expanding activity. You are connected, that’s how we learn.
I am very pro computer and automation. Computers are there to help us save time on tasks that take a lot of time, and repetitive tasks. Screwing bolts onto tires in a car factory is hard on Humans for 8 hours, robots can do it. But having AI write junk articles that make no sense to fill up websites is a greedy money grab, and distorts facts. I don’t need Google telling me to put glue in my pizza cheese, or to shove my dick in a loaf of bread to see if it’s done. And now all the ‘AI’ owners want to scan every personal thing you have on your phone, computer, social media, and here in the US, all of our private government data.
Welcome to 1984, run by clowns. No one is putting in the hard work required to make any of the public tools do what is claimed on the label. It’s just invasive technology right now that produces less than stellar products and infringes on so many Human Rights in the process.
I have this problem with a bunch of new hires. I’ll show them another way to do something and they’ll ask, oh where was that written down? I said Just think about what I just did and how it makes sense, its not written down this is a neat trick i’m showing you. I swear there is no creativity or critical thinking anymore, just a bunch of automatons that follow protocol to the letter and the second there is a situation outside those very narrow parameters they just implode. Someone had to figure all of this out at one point and make the protocol in the first place, sometimes there is no step by step guide and you need to exercise judgement and make some decisions on your own.
I have this problem with a bunch of new hires.
sometimes there is no step by step guide and you need to exercise judgement and make some decisions on your own.
They probably think they aren’t paid enough to care so much to actually exert mental effort beyond strict requests and step by step and don’t expect to have a future to look forward to so why worry about progressing in a career?
Because that’s how I treat my job. I don’t get paid nearly enough to try beyond the absolute bare fucking minimum.
Humans are unlearning how to adapt.
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Pretty sure this has been happening for decades. The “problem” (it’s not a problem) is navigation systems, not LLMs.
I don’t think they were blaming AI for the inability to follow directions without a GPS… They were making an analogy.
The root issue is the same, which is: to delegate more and more rational thought to machines.
The root of the issue is people are tired of seeing little reward for their effort while those at the top rake in all the benefit with little effort. This teaches people putting in effort amounts to nothing and that thought process then permeates into everything they do. It’s not tools causing the issue its our societies inaction to reduce inequality at large and removing the incentive to be ambitious which eventually creates people with low drive.
I have to agree. There’s a bigger picture for sure.
Yup. How many phone numbers do you have memorized? If you’re from the era before cellphones you had to memorize numbers or carry a cheat sheet. You probably had anywhere from 10-30 numbers memorized. Now people don’t even know their spouses numbers.
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I’m deeply hurt by your comment and may never recover.
Watch Wall-e to remind society how lazy and dependent on AI can end up.
Amazing documentary. Really enlightened me about current reality. \s
oh poor baby
This is such a weird take.
Oh poor baby, you need a wittle spell check to make sure you don’t mess up the words in your important email?
Oh little loser, you gotta have an automatic transmission to make the car go vroom vroom?
Oh Mr. has-a-life, you have to pull out Shazam instead of knowing 8 million songs by heart?
All of us use technology to make our lives easier, to supplement skills we don’t want to sink perfectionist-level time into, to enjoy “good enough” results in one area or another.
This kind of holier-than-thou hyperbolic snobbery does nothing to generate actual thoughtful reflection of where to draw the line with technology dependence and only distracts and detracts from actually good critiques of generative AI’s ethics and other negative effects. I wish this sub didn’t allow low-effort meme posts because it’s such a brain rot circle-jerk.
I don’t think the tweet is about technology in general. It is specifically targeting one technology, so I don’t think it impedes “thoughtful reflection of where to draw the line with technology dependence.” There are good uses of AI, certainly. Replacing the human effort necessary for art and writing, though, are definitely not good uses. A big part of what makes art important is that it is effortful - that is why people react so negatively to some postmodern and modern art that doesn’t look like it took great skill to make. As for writing - the only point of writing an essay is to achieve human-to-human connection. Using ChatGPT for stereo instructions is maybe inaccurate, but not bad in the way that using ChatGPT for an essay is bad. That is why the “do you need chat gpt to fuck your wife” zinger hits: you are replacing human interactions with some bullshit gadget.
The author is an illustrator from what I remember. It’s a totally valid point. Automatic transmission is one thing. Wasting resources on creating an image or an essay is wasteful and everyone should realize this.
The loss of skill requirements within trades and crafts is likely a major factor in the cascades of ineptitude we experience in our society. The barriers to entry also directly benefitted the quality of those spaces, and naturally flagged the incompetent (if you are incompetent and lack spell check, your mis-spellings served as a demonstration that you are not a skilled writer. Same for driving, musical recognition, engineering as well).
We’ve seen a clear decline in the general quality of all products, and I can’t help but feel that the automation of skill is directly connected to that decline. This tweet seems to mirror that sentiment in its mockery. You don’t have to think anymore about pretty much any of the process, you just get an output you can ship immediately. So it goes without saying that you can be without any skill and still have a footprint within spaces you have no merit to be in.
The decline in general quality of products is because corporate wants you to buy the same thing over and over again. Quality doesn’t matter.
What kind of evidence are you seeing that there is a loss in skill requirements and lowered barriers to entry?
Take a look at a newly constructed home sometime.
That’s what decent folks call anecdotal evidence. I’m looking for something more definitive.
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Well said. I don’t remember the exact headline, but I skimmed an article that said recent graduates are having trouble getting jobs because many entry-level tasks are being automated. This will be a huge problem in a few years because entry-level jobs are the training for upper level jobs. LLMs are not cut out for work that takes careful analysis and communication, and they are useless for tasks where accuracy matters. How do managers propose that we fill those jobs if they won’t train entry-level employees?
Damn you cry alot.
bruh, it’s literally a mockery. they are mocking the ineptitude of people who use AI.
way to overanalyze a tweet.
“You’re using your brain too much, just enjoy the ‘hUmOr’” as a defense of this is ironically the funniest thing in this thread.
I didn’t say it was humor. I said they are mocking them.
if your AI brainrot hadn’t been so severe you might have comprehended that.
Jesus dude, go touch some grass. you’re getting bent out of shape over such an insignificant piece of shit like me, it’s pathetic.
Pedantry. “Think less, shut up, accept what the algorithm feeds you from this sub without question” was still the basic gist.
🤷♂️ I’m drinking tea and having a nice day. Sorry you think I’m getting bent out of shape just because I’m critiquing your poorly thought-out comments. 🙂
you’re getting bent out of shape over such an insignificant piece of shit like me, it’s pathetic.
My guy it honestly sounds like you’re the one who needs to take a screen break more than I do. Be well.
I wish this sub didn’t allow low-effort meme posts because it’s such a brain rot circle-jerk.
There are plenty of articles that are written out that you can read. AI takes immense energy to operate, for one. It uses a lot of water. Go down and read what journalists have written, and you’ll find that there are solid points against AI development that name-calling will not do justice.
You said something here that is pertinent, but also revealing. We all use technology everyday to make our lives easier, but does it? The automatic transmission cited above allowed anyone with a pulse the ability to get behind the wheel of a car rather than putting in any effort to acquire the skill to operate a motor vehicle. Great for the people who built our car-ciety, we have all suffered for it, including inaccessible essential services w/o one and getting stuck in traffic caused in the most part by people who should never be behind a wheel of a car. Do you want people writing books and creating art that have no business writing books or creating art? Cause we’ve got that now. Great…
I don’t think automatic transmissions are in any way responsible for car centric urban planning, Europe has plenty of it and the transition to automatics is very slow and quite recent.
I agree far too many people are allowed to drive when they shouldn’t but people dying on the road is more socially acceptable than stringent standards for being allowed to operate lethal machines at insanely high speeds (in terms of kinetic energy at least).
Yes, the automatic transmission is not solely responsible, but it was a means to an end. How can we get more people in cars? Make it easier to drive! Brilliant. Except now we have this… It’s irrational but it’s my brain and I can do what I want with it!
Too true. Cars and motorized vehicles make everything too easy. Lets go back to horses. But even that is making people less capable of walking long distance. Lets go back to the good old days of not technology at all!
Ohhh so edgy. Fucking daft loser can’t read, just like the rest of the idiots trolling the socials. If we didn’t have technology, I wouldn’t have to hear from idjits like your dumb ass, so at least there’d be that.
We all use technology everyday to make our lives easier, but does it?
🙄 Yes. If you disagree with something this obvious, please write me a lengthy letter explaining why and send it by horse & buggy mail carrier. I promise, I’ll read and respond just as soon as I’m able.
Do you want people writing books and creating art that have no business writing books or creating art?
🤮🤮🤮 Maybe we should require an intelligence test before allowing people to post their opinions on the internet too? Or have children?
If you actually think that disallowing some people to create art because they aren’t “good enough,” then you aren’t really defending art or artists at all.
The point is we value people who are at the top of their specific game for a reason. When the barriers to access are removed, that’s great, but it dilutes the end game product over all. Sorry not sorry. Easier lives makes dumber people I guess? Boy that’s so cool! I get it, busy people can use AI to make their days less busy, but people who aren’t too busy are using it and getting dumber for it. Prove me wrong. Yes technology has a myriad of benefits, but also a myriad of pitfalls too. Weird, eh? I’m not disallowing people from making art, but no one should or would buy it in a real world environment. I would ask, what value does it add to the world? Art is an expression of the artist interpreting the world. AI art is rubbish and it gives you exactly what you ask for. Cool? Maybe, but not art.
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Again, this whole idea that you need to make an argument about the tradeoffs of technology in general in order to make an argument against AI is weak and needless. Do you have a smart phone you use the calculator on sometimes, or do you write out all your long-form division? Is everyone who owns a microwave, uses tax preparation software, or switches to an electric toothbrush just a lazy dumb-dumb in your mind?
When the barriers to access are removed, that’s great
but it dilutes the end game product over all.
AI art is rubbish and it gives you exactly what you ask for.
Cool? Maybe,
This is just talking out of both sides of your mouth trying to sound fair and balanced instead of actually making a good argument. “AI art is rubbish” – yes!!! We don’t need vacuous, hypocritical hot takes on using technology to say that.
That’s not the only thing I’m talking about, but it seemed relevant to the post? Way to fixate on one thing I am saying instead of just agreeing with me? I thought an argument was supposed to be thought out? I’m not just talking about AI though. I really hate the automatic transmission if you really want to know. Like, it doesn’t rule my life or anything, I just think it has allowed stupid people to get in my way. AI art is slop and I’m not afraid of being replaced. Just so we are clear!
You are mad at automatic transmission too? Maybe you should also consider the method in which you are having this conversation before attacking types technology. Tech has always been about making things easier.
Damn people are stupid. See what I mean, you can’t even read that I am not against technology, only that it has consequences. People are fucking dense.
I may say you are right, but AI is not just a tool…
Well, thanks to AI, art may soon die. Well, you’ve heard of AI agents. Those who control them will brazenly take over the market and push out real artists and writers, and then there’s this AI moderation. Damn, at this rate, authors will have to sell offline so their work doesn’t get stolen or banned, lol
It doesn’t do that at all. People creating great art isn’t going away. Stop being a dumb gatekeeper too.
This is not a fact, capitalism is a cruel thing, so real authors who write with pain and realism will be increasingly difficult to find among the AI garbage.
Who is gatekeeping?! Just cause I don’t feel the same as you doesn’t mean you can’t do a thing? Technology is great, but it can also be stupid, and dangerous, and misused and by golly, even detrimental.
By golly you are right we should stop people from using hammers too. Think about it people can misuse them and hit their thumbs or break things. They are so detrimental to society. If people dont try and hammer in nails with their thick skulls everyone’s life’s gonna get so much easier and less busy as they stop having to go to the doctor to get stitches all the time and as a consequence they are all going to get so much more stupid.
Jarvis, explain what the hell this means.
What do you mean “don’t want”?
ChaosGPT, build me a time machine!
Yeah, think I’m going to go ahead and block this sub.
You hit the nail on the head. The irrational hatred in this sub can’t beat logic.
and only distracts and detracts from actually good critiques
No, it doesn’t. You just want to be able to pick from your buffet of cake flavors without it being morally complicated. Gen AI is demon technology made by demons, and those demons deserve mockery and ridicule. It should be impolite to be this anti-social.
You want to get mad at how capitalist distort inventions into profit machines that continue to enshitify our lives so they can enrich themselves at the expense of others. Go right ahead but acting like a tool that is helpful in summarization and translation is some terrible plight on humanity is just simply put complete brain rot.
You know people who use google translate to “speak spanish” are made fun of? It can’t translate puns. I cannot imagine using this for any serious translation work.
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I said serious translation work. What, are you translating the german memes on ich eil?
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No, I don’t converse with demons. A machine speaking falsehoods and lies in my holy tongue? Disgusting.
Ok, keep religion out of it. Be real.
What, we can’t have a little poetry? Is fun illegal now?
No! No fun allowed!
Can it maybe just give her an orgasm for me? I’m way to lazy to do it myself.
/it’s sarcasm, you dumb fuck
me doublefisting magic wands
They will monetize those chatbots.
And I want to see how many will pull out their wallet when it happens.
And I worry it will be almost every hardcore user, for the fear of being left out and performing worse than anyone else.
The trap is set, it has sprung, and now we wait will the owner comes for the feast.
They will monetize those chatbots.
They already did? They have premium plans, pro plans, free plans, etc.
I mean they will disable the free version.
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I will honestly not be surprised if in a few years we have young to middle aged people who have become so dependent on “AI” that they’ll be forced into assisted living homes because they are unable to function without it.
Ehhhh. Sorta? Not in the way that I think you think. This will be a thing, but it’ll be for people who were otherwise mentally disabled.
You’d be surprised the mental diversity of adults, especially in the US. Like apparently some fraction of adults with a whole number on the denominator are functionally illiterate, yet they don’t need assisted living homes.
As if the USA would provide that service for them. Many people do need help but instead live in squalor and are often only cared for, if at all, by burnt-out family members while everyone involved lives well below the poverty line.
It’s not a good place.
It’s like a mashup between Wall-e and The Matrix.
But like, a gross mashup of only the worst parts.
this is already happening to disabled youth under any administration, no need for a hypothetical AI takeover scenario.
It is?
I almost spit out my breakfast in laughter. Thanks for this one, OP. 😂
They are working on last step.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUrLuUxv9gE
