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You’re comparing apples and oranges. The A71 isn’t supposed to be comparable with a pixel 9.

You’re comparing the three-door Nissan to a Lamborghini

What are you talking about? The article doesn’t mention him.

Bah, he can get in the sea as well, he supported brexit

Yeah but that’s been the opinion of the British public since the 1960s. Calling every British politician a useless skidmark (preferably to their face) is as close as we get to patriotism.

I know a few people who used to work for Apple. The reason a lot don’t say it though is because if you do people automatically assume you had something to do with whatever feature they don’t personally like, and you get berated about it.

Is the best defence you have is it everyone else is just as bad that’s not really he defence, that’s just coopism.

The very least he could do is not sell unsafe vehicles. It’s literally the very least he can do but he can’t be asked to do that because of his ego. I condemn him for that.

The actions one political party are irrelevant to the actions of another political party. Especially over the course of such time.

If you want to make the arguement that the labour party are warmongering then there’s much that you can do to make that arguement but to equate the current situation to the Falklands war is disingenuous at absolute best.

Prejudicial language much?

If you want to make some kind of point then absolutely make it, I’m simply providing informational context with zero political opinion. The truth is that what they did is against the law. You can disagree with the law as much as you want but the fact still remains that what they did was a crime under the law.

I do not appreciate the interpretation of some kind of Draconian and imperialist government here. That’s absolutely not what is happening

Yeah which is damaging.

I am simply providing information here I am not providing my personal opinion. Please stop trying togenerate arguement where non-exists the waters are already muddied enough.

What does the UK military have to do with a private company sending weapons to Israel? All the protesters are asking for is the weapon companies not to be allowed to send weapons from Israel from UK soil, I’m sure they would just send them from the US but at least it’s a stance.

The UK military isn’t doing anything in Israel so they are weird target

I don’t think it was ever anything concrete. Some members of the Labour Party made some comments that could potentially have been interpreted as being anti-semitic. Everyone went absolutely crazy, without anything in the way of evidence, and it caused a major political scandal. Labour themselves made the whole situation infinitely worse by not properly investigating the allegations, which made it look like they were trying to protect people. In reality I think it was just incompetence.

It was the very definition of a storm in a teacup, essentially nothing had happened but the opposition parties reacted as if it was some major scandal for the sole purpose of political point scoring.

Labour subsequently lost the 2019 elections and the suggestion was it was because of this scandal.

So when Starmer became leader one of the things he said he was going to do was root out anti-Semitism within the party (no matter how much he had to dig for it), this was around 2020 but he had been campaigning about it since around 2018. Anyway when he became leader there was a big bust up where he got rid of anyone he thought was being anti-semitic (again there was a lot of doubt about whether or not they were being). Then in 2024 they won the election. So ever since then they’ve been very careful to not appear anti-semitic to the point at which they are refusing to even acknowledge Israel’s war crimes.

This is all especially annoying since they would have won the 2024 general election no matter what because the Conservatives were polling so badly. So this big arguement about anti-Semitism was completely unnecessary. Had it not happened Labour would still be in power, but would be less inclined to shy away from criticism of Israel.

That would have been the Conservatives though. The Conservatives under Thatcher were in power during the Falklands war.

Has he actually because I keep hearing conflicting reports. A Labour MP left and claimed that she was joining a new party with Corbin, however I don’t think Corbin himself has actually confirmed this, and I thought he was done with politics anyway.

So this new party seemed to be carrying on the fine old tradition of the left being utterly useless at communications.

The Tories would have done the exact same thing, so we’re not in any worse situation than we would have been.

I suppose an arguement could be made that terrorists might want to break into a military base and might use this group as a vehicle through which to do that. It would be an absurd arguement but it wouldn’t be totally irrational.

I don’t support this action by the UK government, but quite a few people in this thread seem to be of the opinion that the UK government is banning all protest which isn’t happening here. So I just wanted to set the record straight.

Just to be clear because everybody seems to be missing this point.

Palestinian Action, is an organisation. Membership of that group is banned, it is not illegal to support Palestinians or to call out Israel’s genocide. The government doesn’t like it when you do, but it’s not actually illegal for you to do it.

This organisation broke into a UK air force base in order to protest. They are not being charged because they protested, they’re being charged for breaking in and damaging a lot of military equipment. I think it’s a bit far to call them terrorists, but you can sort of see the government’s point, if you squint.

The UK government does however absolutely deserve to get it in the neck for their support of Israel. Labour have had a pretty awkward relationship with Israel in particular and anti-Semitism in general for a long time, and they’re now keen to be seen as supporters, but there are limits.

Just to be clear as much as this is an abhorrent thing for them to do, it won’t result in anything. The people who they have arrested have already been charged, so this changing the law doesn’t have any effect on that legal decision and pretty much no one else is associated with them.

They’re a very small very vocal activist group. The general feeling is that they actually did go too far on this. They are not banning protests in general just this particular organisation, which in fairness, did break into a military base so I don’t know what they expect it to happen.

So you’re probably safe from oppression, even if you were actually in the UK.

It is of course somewhat disingenuous to equate the empire to the modern British government. In much the same way that it makes no sense to say that Japan in its current form has any relation to feudal Japan.