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      Special shout-out to the folks that voted third party because “my state will be blue”

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        I thought my state would go blue. Went out to vote anyway and voted blue. Brought my spouse out to vote as well. Our state did not go blue. Country is fucked

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        folks that voted third party because “my state will be blue”

        Admittedly not all the votes are in, but…

        • Pennsylvania - Trump up by 130k votes, Jill Stein got 33k votes
        • Michigan - Trump up by 84k votes, Jill Stein got 45k votes
        • Wisconsin - Trump up by 28k votes, Jill Stein got 12k votes

        Are all Jill Stein votes from protest voters? Nah, there are diehard Green supporters out there.

        Are there other 3rd party candidates? Of course, but how many RFK (more votes than Stein in WI) voters could she have converted? Almost none.

        This was her blue wall road to victory, show me the electoral path to victory ruined by third party voters who would have otherwise voted Democrat.

        This election was lost by people not showing up to vote. Trump is sitting at almost 72M votes right now compared to 74M in 2020. Harris is only at 67M now, compared to Biden’s 81M in 2020. While there are still votes to count, there aren’t 15M votes left to count.

        Whether it was lack of interest, protest, or whatever reason, 10% of voters stayed home this year.

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            Similar here actually. I usually try to vote by mail, but by the time I finally got registeration and residency handled after 2 online registrations and two visits to the elections office, early voting was over, so I had to go to the polls on election day

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            Write to the white house and ask them to investigate it as fraud. Because there was shenanigans pulled in red states for that.

            Americans overseas had their ballots challenged in Pennsylvania and there is still a lawsuit over that.

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          I blame the Stein voters exactly as much as I blame the people staying at home. And neither as much as the people who voted for Trump.

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          A good chunk of biden voters then were shepherded in by Bernie since Biden ended up compromising with Bernie for the transition.

          Imagine if Harris threw a bone to the left. Those are some of the 15 million who stayed home.

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          “Admittedly not all the votes are in, but…” you’ll pretend to make a point with vote counts anyway.

          I am so fucking sick of all this shit.

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            • Pennsylvania - 98.3% Reporting
            • Michigan - 98.7% Reporting
            • Wisconsin - 99% Reporting

            These states have been called for Trump. The remaining outstanding vote will not impact this result. The remaining vote is not going to come in all for Jill Stein or other third party candidates. The point that protest votes for third party candidates did not rob Harris of an electoral college victory will stand once 100% of the vote is in.

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            We don’t have 15 million outstanding votes. They said that in their post.

            Unless the dems can pull 15 million votes out of their ass, Trump won.

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        No state had enough third party votes to flip red to blue had they all gone blue, so can we give this a rest?

        The DNC failed, plain and simple.

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            Got me there, though if you look and tally only the left candidates who might’ve actually gone for Harris otherwise it’s still not true.

            And in any case, she still loses even if she got these states.

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            It was a good campaign. Maybe it could have been even better, sure, but the amount of Monday night quarterbacking in here is silly.

            The only thing I can question about it, I’m not even sure about.

            The problem wasn’t anything the campaign did. The problem was that “did joe Biden drop out” was trending on Google the day of the election. Tell me how to reach those people.

            Do you think there weren’t enough ads? Not enough door knocking? What exactly, would you have them do?

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              No it was an objectively bad campaign. Harris should have run as a change candidate and distanced herself from Biden. That was the whole point of getting him to drop out. He was less popular than Trump

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              I don’t think you can educate people who learned Biden dropped out on election night, those people are too stupid to vote. Especially since my YouTube for weeks after Harris was the nominee, I got a lot of donation ads staring her, not once mentioning Biden.

              I don’t know if more ads would have gotten her a bigger spotlight, but I do know that its political non-sense to claim to help those who fascist targets, then ignore the calls of those who fascist targets, and then buddy up with subtler-fascists like Dick and Liz Chaney.

              Its like she was trying to say “You go along with this, you’re never going to vote for Trump, he hates you, I don’t.” And she was right, they didn’t vote for Trump as he hates them.

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          Third party votes were pretty much at their average. Except in Deerborn Michigan, but that’s still not enough to flip Michigan and I can’t blame Muslim voters there from being pissed.

          They should be pissed. We all should be pissed.

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            “The real problem” sounds pretty plain and simple that.

            Seriously though what are you saying? What’s the point of that statement?

            They failed, that’s plain and simple. The cause behind that? Probably more complicated.

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              Yeah, and since it sounds pretty much that way, it definitely is that way and you win the internet argument, right?

              I think the main problem in discussing most issues is that people oversimply them. Memes and meme-level thinking don’t get to the essence of an issue, they just pretend to by expressing a single point of view, reinforcing the false belief that the whole issue is plain and simple, and excusing people for not bothering to exert their brains much before the scroll to the next item in their feed.

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      Taking the data from here and throwing it in a spreadsheet, Trump got more votes than everyone else combined, including the Libertarian party, RFK Jr, and Write-ins.

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        Looking at that chart, she would have won in Wisconsin and gotten their ten electoral votes.

        What does it look like for the rest of the states?

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          Across the country, it was Trump: 71,825,780 Everyone else: 69,303,000

          It says at the top of the page it was last updated a day ago, but I kind of doubt the numbers will change too dramatically.