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They just gave a woman 30 years in prison for having leftist poetry in her car, and her husband got 50 years for taking it out of her trunk, because taking a box of stuff out of your wife’s trunk is considered obstruction now?
Yet Trump got nothing for steak ng hundreds of classified documents, selling them, and moving them around to avoid detection by the FBI, which is real obstruction.
But yeah, let’s clutch our pearls for the evil soccer mom with empathy.
This is so brutal but still nobody does nothing except condamn this shit online. Imagine yourself being in their place. Downvote me all you want and still it changes nothing. USA today is reaping what it sow for decades. And now it’s just a shithole with gucci belt. My country is not perfect, but I’m grateful I’m not born in USA.
I assume you’re talking about this case?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jun/24/prairieland-texas-ice-protests-zines
Scary shit.
North Korea would likely not be a worse place than China or the US if their economy wasn’t shit. And a lot of that is literally just The Great US Empire (and its vassals) restricting global trade by gunboat politics since the war. Cuba has the same problem: Immense evolutionary pressure to harden their government against US-caused regime change followed by total exploitation combined with reduced trade options.
I got news from you on their economy straight from the western media.
https://www.wsj.com/world/asia/north-korea-economy-success-e80f7062
Ita hard to know anything about North Korea for certain but it seems to me the terrible economic conditions we hear about outside of North Korea were mainly during the 90s. Seems like after that the narrative was continued as a propaganda effort but it’s hard to know. There is alot of North Korean South Korean and CIA propaganda floating around and it’s hard to know what’s what.
We really need to make like the French and band together to stop the wealthy from screwing us.
Floating paint chips?
EDIT: Reflecting pool “crime”
We live in a fascist country now.
“But there’s no mass graves.”
Not yet. And it doesn’t matter. There isn’t just one flavor of fascism. There isn’t just extreme fascism or no fascism.
This is a facist nation because it is behaving like a fascist nation. And it’s not going to get better unless voters start being more responsible. And it might even be too late for that.
The idea that we have to wait until the worst cas scenario actually takes place before doing anything about it is ridiculous. We have seen all of this, many times before. We already know where it leads, unless it is stopped. We don’t have to wait, just because the people who benefit by that waiting demand it.
We don’t have to do what the worst people in the world demand. We’ve seen how this exact scenario leads to death camps, and the wholesale slaughter of millions. We have the people in place who think that’s a good idea, and they have already built and are populating concentration camps with cremation facilities. Do we have to wait until we smell roasting flesh from the smokestacks before we do anything? Are we going to accept their excuses when they claim they are only burning the bodies of those who died “natural” deaths? In a concentration camp?
We already know where this leads, every time. We don’t have to make them prove it, and we don’t have to accept their lame denials, or their rationalizations. We know what they want, and we see them moving quickly and decisively in that direction. We don’t have to wait until it actually happens before we stop them.
It’s the 'Murican way
Do nothing, until circumstances force action
It’s quite fascinating to see from the comfort of a civilised country.
Depressing, particularly because it keeps happening, but still grimly fascinating
“There are no mass graves”
Ask the hundreds of people who entered ICE internment camps and never left. Alligator Alcatraz. 2/3rds of the 1,800 people “disappeared”
https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/09/25/men-lost-from-alligator-alcatraz/
The article does not support your statement. Even if people have gone missing, the author doesn’t allude to a mass killing. I’m all for exposing ICE, but I’m also against creating misinformation or fueling rumors.
Concentration camps were discovered in 1945 I think. Fascists don’t care that you have no proof. They kill people and appease you with lies.
You’re at the step where the murders are still hidden. Next step is when they’re justified. Oh wait, it’s already happening when people are killed in the streets for opposing ice. Next step is more people join the ranks of the great enemy of the inside. And at some point, either you agree with all the killing, or you shut up because talking puts you on the wrong side of the government guns.
You don’t need to recap the Holocaust to me just because I’m saying stop spreading rumors. I’m not saying don’t be alarmed, or angry, or to stop fighting. As much as I’d love to accuse ICE of some heinous shit, all we know is that some people are missing and they’re lying. If you read the article you’ll realize one of those people was found here in Mexico.
…so they just disappeared into the system and we have no idea if they’re alive or dead? You know that’s only marginally better right?
Not marginally, but quite the difference. There’s no need to be reductive just because you disagree and want to speculate.
It’s probably not that quantity today, but read about that statement “Wir haben es nicht gewusst”. There were “rumors”, but most people just thought about their own lot instead of worrying about those rumors.
Sticking to the known facts does not mean I stop worrying.
Every fascist regime was established in democratic elections. No fascist regime was overthrown in democratic elections.
Fascism is proof that capitalism is incompatible with democracy.
To be the pedantic smart ass that I am, Mussolini in Italy and Franco in Spain weren’t voted in.
Simply not true. Not all fascist regimes came out of elections. Many, many governments arose from coups, usually military.
You can’t shift a government from Democratic to fascist, if it was never democratic in the first place.
Every fascist regime was established in democratic elections
This feels questionable at best— there’s a lonnnnnggg history of rulers in countries prior to democracy
Fascism is less than 100 years old.
Sigh, it’s always been a fascist country. Now the mask is off. Do something about it.
I want to add (without prison sentences… for now) all the push of Europe to do the internet surveillance China style, after we have criticized it so much.
Is so sad how “autocratic government surveillance” suddenly becomes “protecting the children”…
Fuck politicians, hope they all die a terrible death. They deserve all the hate in the world and then a bit more.
Is so sad how “autocratic government surveillance” suddenly becomes “protecting the children”…
The saddest part about it is how well it works. People are still falling for this shit. We never learn anything.
It hasn’t “suddenly” become that- every single internet censorship bill ever proposed is named some flavor of “save children”
I’m all for burning Epsteins list at the stake at Super Bowl halftime; but the right to privacy is sacred and should be revered
to be fair, when EU adds firewall and blocks all traffic from USA, they will have like 99% less advertisements
The Chinese firewall isn’t surveillance, lol. It’s to keep American surveillance from surveilling Chinese citizens. I’m sure your familiar with Snowden and Assange?
Yet Chinese surveillance is surveilling everyone else.
What are CCTV, Ring, smart phones, smart homes, smart cars, and the Patriot Act for the daily double?
Got 'em.
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Show me your work, then.
Define “work”
Surely there’s proof of the Chinese government surveilling the rest of the world, more so than the 5 eyes countries, otherwise the original statement of the EU doing surveillance “China style” is just xenophobia.
I didn’t mean “in relation to the Chinese government” when I mentioned “Chinese surveillance”, I meant “surveillance of Chinese origin”. If you check ad and tracking blocklists, by far most popular ones are either in the US or China. For me that’s equally as bad as government sponsored. Although “government sponsored” usually implies “of big(ger) scale”, it’s not necessary.
There are more than just 5 eyes.
I am going to refrain from arguing, for I have taken note of your instance being “lemmy.ml”. As much as I hate discriminating by instance, I have to do what I have to do.
I’m not arguing, nor am I looking for anecdotal evidence, lol. I’m asking you to prove your own statement correct.
Someone got 50 YEARS for protesting ICE
A life sentence for protesting.
This is America.
Our Constitution is effectively over and a frightening percentage of Americans aren’t even aware, or don’t even care.
Personally, I’m crossing my fingers for Balkanization. Staying chained to this sinking ship is not wise.
Two people who weren’t even there, who never discussed the illegal acts, who were only in a group chat where people discussed attending a legal protest, were sentenced to 50 years.
But they were trans women in Texas. So the jury had no problem sending them to a men’s prison without any crimes being committed.
Where they will be almost certainly subjected to v coding
They will be raped until they give up either caring or life
WOO! MURICA! FREEDUMB!
Also 50, 70, and 100 year sentences for people who were protesting against ICE in Texas
Wow this completely flew under my radar wtaf
How is this surprising to you, grandma? America does American thing American-ly.
What are the chances that these people will get pardoned, etc, when(if) normality returns?
Also what’s the chances that the judge who handed down these long and unfair sentences will get any repercussions for being so obviously corrupt?
Sanders joined ABC News’s “This Week,” where host Jonathan Karl asked if there was anything Trump has done right.
“I think cracking down on fentanyl, making sure our borders are stronger,” Sanders replied. “Look, nobody thinks illegal immigration is appropriate, and I happen to think we need comprehensive immigration reform, but I don’t think it’s appropriate for people to be coming across the border illegally.”
While the senator agreed with Trump on strengthening the country’s borders to protect citizens, he disagreed with the president’s mass deportation plan.
“He wants to deport 20 million people who are in this country who are undocumented,” Sanders said. “Well, you do that, you destroy the entire country.”
“Because I got news for you, Trump’s billionaire friends are not going to pick the crops in California that feed us. They’re not going to work in meatpacking houses,” he continued. “That’s what undocumented people are doing.”
Given that this is as far left as US politicians get, I’d say unlikely.
“We need those slaves to be working in conditions so abysmal, even our own disposables won’t work them!”
Deplorables*
…What’s wrong with his position, exactly?
“cracking down on fentanyl”
The War on Drugs is well-documented to be a racist pretext for mass incarceration and violation of 4th Amendment rights, etc., (see The New Jim Crow for example), so Sanders is either a useful idiot or complicit.
I mean, yeah, if you’re punishing people for consuming the drugs directly, 100%. However, Trump’s focus has been more on preventing fentanyl from entering the country.
Unfortunately, he’s still an idiot since the US’s own pharmaceutical companies are the primary culprit and he’s just using Mexico as a scapegoat, so yeah, you’re not wrong lol.
Because people are not ‘illegal’ for crossing an imaginary line on a map.
Where did he call anyone ‘illegal’?
Can you not read?
Literally no where in the quote or article linked was anyone called “illegal.” He referred to people as undocumented, if that’s what you mean? Can you not read?
You removed, or stupid?
I really love what you’ve contributed to the conversation, “Nonconfrontational”.
“You removed, or stupid?” and “Can you not read?” are very informative, thank you for posting.
Guess I shouldn’t be too surprised by someone from lemmy.ml, though.
Answer the question, lol.
Honestly 50/50
You can’t really bounce back from the bullshit that has just ensued immediately, it’s also kinda apparent to your average leftist that the democratic party is kind spineless as fuck when it comes to the right, so to have judges IN TEXAS MIND YOU bounce back from their previous decisions? Not gonna be too easy
it’s also kinda apparent to your average leftist that the democratic party is
kind spinelesscomplicit as fuck when it comes to the right, so to have judges IN TEXAS MIND YOU bounce back from their previous decisions? Not gonna be too easy
Unlikely. The US executes people when there’s so much new evidence after sentencing pointing toward them not being guilty that the original prosecutors plead for them to not execute. The Dem establishment’s complaints against ICE are mostly just procedural; they just argue for things like more transparency for these detention centers, not their abolishment.
The last time that a Democratic president was in office for a federal execution was Lyndon Johnson.
Snarling wolves and smiling foxes.
I don’t think a President can pardon a state crime, so you need a blue Texas Governor for starters.
I hope they stand a good chance for an appeal based on the jury selection fuckery
A full pardon? Maybe for some of them, especially the zine guy, but the guy who actually shot the cop, unlikely. No democrat would want the optics of that.
Even the cop shooter should be fully pardoned.
Cop shot first. The guy who shot him did so in community defense.
In fact that cop may have given the shooter’s attorneys an argument to revisit Harlow v Fitzgerald, and hand the SCOTUS the full text of §1983. They were given, unknowingly, an illegally edited text in 1982 when Harlow v Fitzgerald established Qualified Immunity, which is illegal according to the full statute as recorded in the 1871 Congressional Record.
Gotta commute that absurd sentence tho
the US is now soviet russia. the whole western world is sad :/
The US has more prisoners than any country to ever exist. You’ve been worse than the soviet union for basically all of your history in those regards.
Edit: Plus it’s baked into your constitution that those prisoners are perfect for slavery. You never stopped using slave labor in the entire 250 year history of America.
At least Soviet Russia wasn’t run by a handful of billionaires
it is now.
Yep
I mean to give full context, that protest did end with a cop getting shot.
But the sentences are still wildly excessive including 30 years to someone for carrying a box of magazines.
How many years were did shooters of Pretti and Goode receive?
First off, the shooter claims that the cop was about to murder an unarmed protestor.
But more importantly, it was just one person who shot. Collective punishment is literally against the Geneva Convention.
Imagine getting a 50 year prison sentence because you were peacefully protesting at a place where someone else shot a cop. By the same logic, every cop that was present when Alex Pretti was executed should have 50+ year prison sentences.
I know reading comprehension is not great on this site, but I’m in no way shape or form making an argument the protestors were in the wrong. Literally just providing context.
It’s cool that you were able to get that snarky remark in, but I was not necessarily disagreeing or arguing with you.
However, reading your comment again, it still comes across as cop apologetics. It’s the “the protest did end with a cop being shot”. It’s a justification. Maybe you didn’t intend that, but that’s the implication.
Did I comprehend ok?
It’s not in any way a justification. In fact the language is deliberately neutral as not to imply the protestors did anything wrong (which they didn’t) a protest happened and a cop was shot. Just stating objective fact, because that is a crucial detail the the other commentary left out, which makes their comment sound like they arrested and sentenced these people purely for protesting. (Which they kind of did, and the cop being shot was just their justification, but that’s besides the point)
This is in extremely poor taste considering what happened to the kid in the picture. That’s what is terrifying, not a vandalism arrest.
We should oppose fascism without belittling its victims, regardless of which state they’re under.
I don’t think this is belittling the kid at all. Just pointing out that we’re now doing approximately the same thing at home.
The kid returned home with brain damage, IIRC. Has that happened to anyone accused of vandalizing the pool?
not the pool specifically, but yeah a ton of people have been hurt protesting
https://projects.propublica.org/protest-police-videos/
or just look at what ICE does to people
Wow, talk about moving the goal posts. Do you really think anyone on Lemmy is pro-ICE?
we’re now doing approximately the same thing at home
this is the ““goalpost”” I was responding to. You’re caught up on the comparison of the poster to the reflecting pond. We’re comparing the US government to the DPRK (North Korean government)
The only actual evidence was a blurry video which probably wasn’t even him. He was just a convenient political tool. I remember reading a very detailed breakdown of how the suspect in the video was the wrong height and walked differently.
In the defense of the North Korea outrage, they lobotomised the kid and sent the dying body back to US.
IIRC some experts said that most likely his state was causes by reaction to medicine or something. North Korea prefers to exchange American prisoners for something rather than simply kill them.
Give the Americans some time.
Pretty sure there were missing teeth.
Edit: not Otto. Might have been another prisoner. Or I’m confusing it with World War Z and how North Korea solved the zombie crisis by pulling everyone’s teeth.
Edit edit: ok, he’s the one I read about but these details aren’t in wikipedia and may be suspect.
They said Otto was deaf, blind, jerking uncontrollably and making “inhuman” sounds when they met him on a plane.
His teeth also looked like they had been rearranged with pliers, his father said.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/he-totally-deformed-otto-warmbiers-11242029
only difference here is that the body will already be on us soil
It’s bizarre to see somebody believe that not only will a former Olympic athlete be sentenced for touching paint but to honestly believe he could be beaten into brain damage and die from it.
Chances are the guy walks away scot free and then sues the US Government.
More things that you wouldn’t have thought possible in polite society have been happening in recent years.
Since US was a colony.
No no, see, these folks don’t count the genocide of millions and the people who suffered under street executions, illegal detention, and the destruction of families, for centuries because those people deserved it for being born wrong. Now it’s happening to white people! Can you believe that? My stars! Never before! Unprecedented!
I bow to the lotus feet of the guru.
😂😭🫂
Wait until you find out what the current regime and its supporters thinks about being able to sue for violating the constitution.
Frankly, I don’t care what the buffoon thinks.
We took his name off the Kennedy building, we’re suing comanies for AI racial bias, we blocked his DOJ from collecting trans medical records, and we just told his ICE to fuck off from immigration hearing locations.
The courts aren’t completely corrupted yet and they are still in charge.
The courts aren’t completely corrupted yet and they are still in charge.
You sure about that? I’d lto have faith in the rule of law, but the trump admin is increasingly ignoring court orders, despite the public wins you mentioned.
I really feel like we’re going to see the admin trot out the apocryphal Andrew jackson quote of ‘the courts have made their decision, let them enforce it’ in the next year or so.
And yet his name is off the Kennedy building and his ballroom is not open.
And yet US citizens are still being abducted, killed, disappeared, and sent off to random countries. But sure, let’s all cheer about them removing his name from the Kennedy building lmao. What a joke.
(All in the name of immigration control! If only those us citizens had just sued the government I’m sure they’d still be alive!)
Sure it’s bizarre to see somebody believe that, but it’s because it is so easy to believe with all the shit going on, not because it’s something difficult to believe.
Given the post, these comments, and that comment score I think it isn’t unrealistic to believe it’s just a bunch of fucking Tankies trying to normalize North Korea.
Like yeah, the Trump admin is shit, and would have spiraled out of control if there were no resistance, but it ain’t fuckin North Korea. It isn’t even as bad as China.
We’re saying we are seeing the end of that soon. We are being more oppressed over time
I think he has a lot less support and authority now than at the start of his term.
Yeah because he’s white.
How is this fake news getting such high upvote ratio
He wasn’t literally surgically lobotomized no - but he did have extremely severe neurological damage from an unknown source which put him in a vegetative state that he never regained consciousness from. If it was done by DPRK intentionally or not isn’t known, but he did suffer those injuries during his time imprisoned under their supervision, and generally it’s held that harm to a prisoner is the fault of the captor.
Yes, that’s not “North Korea lobotomising him”. Hence fake news. A lobotomy cuts off the front of the brain
It would be the first time North Korea has harmed an American in this context and it’s pretty likely to be unintentional if they wanted to trade prisoners
What a tedious semantic argument. An inaccurate use of a term in an informal setting that nonetheless quite accurately describes the symptoms he experienced, is not fake news - it’s not even news, it’s an internet comment. It’s been corrected now.
it’s pretty likely to be unintentional
It’s generally unintentional to beat someone and have them wind up in a vegetative state.
See the other comment from someone else, they were not beaten at all and the one anonymous report that he was appears to be fabricated
The beating the previous comment or is referring to isn’t a real beating, it’s figurative to make a point. Intentional or not, it happened and NK is responsible for the outcome. Just like the US is responsible for what happens to the foreign nationals we imprisoned.
Not what the other comment says.
“Didn’t they beat the guy so badly he had brain damage and died?”
Is that not what this person is saying?
Actually shut the fuck up. Please.
You seem to have experience with lobotomy.
Appreciate your kind words
That’s demonstrably false.
Which part?
Edit: apparently the lobotomized part.
Getting hit with the biggest “um, actually” energy from the tankie battalion 🙄
I feel like the guy who got 30 years for picking up a box of zines is a much better example here.
Explain plz?
Wonder if others can use this case as the basis for asylum hearings in other countries
“They’re dirty, smelly, illiterate, loud, will disrupt our way of life, take our jobs, won’t assimilate, and commit crimes.”
Think about it.
Even then, there is no comparison for the brutality of beating a man into brain damage and shipping his dying body home.
Maybe something close would be the ICE detainees who suffocated? But you could argue that is the result of incompetence not malice.
Those floating paint chips are worth thousands of dollars! Or rather, that’s what the administration paid for them.
He touched floating point chips? Like an old 80387?
Didn’t they beat the guy so badly he had brain damage and died?
Much worse.
He was vegetative. Kept alive by life support.
No, but we’ve given Antifa protestors fifty years plus for conspiring to shoot ICE. Give us time.
*without any evidence. That’s an important part.
No.
You don’t know that, though. Nobody (except maybe the DPRK) knows what the cause of his brain damage was, but injuries from torture could easily have healed in the 16 (maybe) months after he suffered the injury. It does not have to be a severe beating to cause severe brain injury, unfortunately, just an unlucky strike.
Did you read the article here?
Yes? I fail to see how it’s relevant to your argument, it agrees with exactly what I just said.
