The morality of torturing children cause they’re not from the chosen people.
This has gone on quite enough. Israel and the USA deserve to be abolished and anyone with an ounce of ppwer hanged. John Brown, The Soviets, fucken anyone who says put them down permanently, is right. You can’t allow people to continue after doing evil like this. You have to stop them forever.
I never stop wondering how much social conditioning and impunity can change people.
No one in their right mind would ever do that. But these people’s brains are turned into a mush made only to kill and torture, to inflict as much pain as possible, on purpose. What does it take to turn a regular person into this?
I imagine the same type of force that turned Germans into nazis. Ordinary Men is a book that talks about how an average police unit slowly began committing atrocities during WW2.
A news Site controlled by the turkish goverment. Are there any better sources on this topic?
Might be somewhat better, would be hard to get an early coverage of such a thing in the mainstream media. All of this is also based on interviews with the eye-witnesses although there are claims of confirmation by medical reports. There are also videos of the child with clear puncture etc wounds, which looks like human inflicted.
If you can understand Arabic the father gave an interview and it’s on YouTube and X.
Yeah like the BBC or CNN or DW 😅
BBC and DW do great work
This is how I know God doesn’t exist, or is an absolutely colossal tool.
Exactly, have a friend who said “i belive in god, because this world could only be this fucked up on purpose”
I’m in the same camp, if there is a god then they’re into cruelty
Polytheism be like
What do you mean?
Multiple gods into cruelty.
Nah. The argument against that is god gave us free will, otherwise our decisions wouldn’t matter.
Us being fucked up isn’t god’s fault; it’s ours.
He gives people brain aneurysms all the time but chose not to give these fuckers one?
“God” gave Eve freewill and then punished humanity when she used it . Sounds like an asshole to me
I was being facetious. The laws of nature make no room for a god. But, you do you. I’m not gonna argue the existence or lack thereof bcz frankly it’s been centuries and it’s an unfalsifiable concept.
This only works up to a point. Many loving parents will say their kids need to make their own experiences, but they will still keep them from sticking their hand into a power outlet. I wouldn’t say the kid’s choices have no meaning because of this.
Also, if this is true, God also gave us our murderous instincts that make us use our “free will” in this way.
i agree with your overall point, but what “murderous instinct”? most people have trouble killing, someone has to condition them to be effective
this reminds me of the copaganda show 24, where the sutherland characther pretends to torture the children to get a confession out of the parents. side rant-Gal gadot is literally in hollywood to shill for israel, she was in the IDF, which is why shes in dcu movies despite being a crappy actor.
Israel becoming a country was a mistake, if this is the price of it.
they were given one without consent from the indigeneous population.
The people that “gave” them the land, the British, had no right to do it either.
Same shit, different century.
It’s harder to separate Israel from its long term hard right conservative government, it’s like if Bush was president for the last 30 years.
Israel was founded by terror organizations operating in the British Mandate of Palestine. It has been this way for 70 years. This is the consequence of allowing a religious ethnostate to control the most controversial region of the world.
My God is not Abrahamic. My God chose all people (sometimes he forgets me but I still like my God).
I was permanently banned on reddit for commenting under this exact story that I think Islamic terrorists maybe have a point.
Well it maybe would have a point if they blew up IDF soldiers and not some random train station in Europe or a stadium full of kids and teenagers. All that achieves is more hatred against regular Muslims.
My comment didn’t accurately express that I meant it about the terrorist acts against Israel.
They’re not terrorists. They’re resisting the occupation of their lands. the only terrorists are the Zionist demons who gloat about the children they torture and kill.
Ah, glad you cleared that up. So when THEY gloated about the children that they raped, tortured and killed at the music festival - that was all legitimate “resistance”, right? Nothing to get excited about.
Hamas didn’t rape torture or kill children. You’re confusing them with the IDF.
I just saw a doctor speak about how the IDF took two kids, zip tied them and then buried them alive face down.
I read an IDF soldier confess how his commander saw a small child playing in the street and then broke his arm and curb stomped him for a laugh.
I then saw video of an 18 month old with cigarette burns from IDF who tortured the kid to get his dad to “confess”
These are just snippets from an ocean of inhumanity and despicable sadistic cruelty meted out by Zionist forces who have lost their humanity.
At this stage if you’re supporting these demons you are yourself one.
Muslim terrorists are terrorists because they are muslim. Otherwise they would just be mental health patients.
As an example: in 2023 out of all the terrorism arrests that happened in Europe, only 13% were immigrants but when you look at news articles, they are filled with immigrants attacking Europe.
Somehow, everyone knows rascism is bad but when it comes to immigrants or muslims, people are waaay too eager to believe that their terrorism is due to their ethnicity or faith rather than the unjust treatment or radicalizing institutes (like ISIS), where as such institutes were funded to defend western economic interests.
Where did I say that Islamic terrorist are terrorist because they are muslims? ah yes the guys that blew up Brussels Station or gunned down Charlie Hebdo were just mental health patients. LOL. I’m not talking about the random attacks by mentally ill people my dude.
You made a general statement about “muslim terrorist” killing train station and stadium full of kids.
The very word “muslim terrorist” implicates muslims with terrorism through guilt by association. Otherwise people would just call them terrorist.
How come nobody calls IDF jewish terrorist? Cuz when somebody were to use that word everyone else will call them antisemite and rightly so. Even though jewish scripture+rabbis preach violence against gentiles, we still shouldn’t be using that language.
Charlie hebdo or any other crime of that nature happens when the person comitting the crime are failed by the system. They were neglected and alienated by society, indoctrinated by exetremist institutions like ISIS which were themselves created by CIA and the likes to protect western imperialism
ok read my post again. I didn’t even write Muslim terrorist in the first post. Also do you feel the same about Anders Breivik as what you just wrote about the Charlie Hebdo attackers?
Israelis were the one propping up isis sweetie
These are for sure the reasons why humans decide to become terrorists
I mentioned in my comment from the start and before making any edit that this cannot belong to the jewish religon. Same thing happened with ISIS who adopted a false supremacist murderous and evil idology of Islam. They enslaved Yazidi women and slaughtered kids and men whom they viewed as not from the chosen people.
How the fuck was ISIS bad but Zionism is supported by Europe and the US and Western values? ISIS never represented Islam the same way Zionism does not represt Judaism. ISIS mirrors Zionism to the theeth btw. They were colonizing lands that was promised to them by god, slaughtering and raping people for their promised Khalifite who will lead their people to rule the world. They also needed a country for them to escape “the prosecution” they experienced everywhere in the world to practice their religon and exist in peace. Does ISIS have the right to exist??So lets not pretend these monsters dont exist regardless of what they claim their belief is; We judge them by their actions. The Episten files showed him and Donald Trump impregnating and aborting a mentally disabled kid numerous times. Also showed him mocking a girl who was asking Jesus for help because he absolutely does not believe in any god. Also showed his 1500 galons of acid tank that is connected to the swerage system beneath. There is an ongoing investigation regarding missing bodies in his NM ranch. There is hard undeniable evidence that this monsterous elite Epestien class exist and they do everything above the laws without shred of humanity.
Isis was paid by Israel and armed by the US
As an ex-muslim. I’d like to correct you that everything that ISIS did is mentioned in Quran and is actually a valid interpretation. In fact, a lot of it is mentioned directly by hadith and verses in the quran. Hence why you will never hear any religious institution calling them “kuffar” or people who have strayed and adopted a false supremacist view. They just really can’t do that because everything ISIS did can, and is justified by the quran and hadith.
However, that is NOT to be taken in an islamaphobic way. The majority of the muslim population have no idea about this, as was I when I was still muslim. Simply because we don’t get taught in schools about it. Islam is a cancer, it has the potential to be used to justify horrible atrocities because the quran and hadith contain so much shit like this. Just like any religion really, but it also happens to be overrun by extremists who spread their extremist views.
Pretty sure that’s this is religion as a whole, even buddihist texts/guidance somehow call for violence.
So quran says, in order to be a muslim, you have to kill other muslims?
Dude, how can you get this conclusion from what I said? Or is this a strawman or what?
As I said, the definition of “muslim” differs by interpretation because like any other religion, people interpret the text differently. Shia muslims say that they are right. Sunnis think they are right, and within each there is more and more denominations that think they are right and none but them. There is so much infighting between them it makes leftist-infighting look like child’s play.
So yes. One of the interpretations, adopted by ISIS, says that these muslims are considered kuffar (people who have rejected god), because they did not seek to learn about their religion and establish the rules that Allah commanded. Even if they were ignorant about their religion, it doesnt matter, they should have learned as it’s their duty as muslims. Thus, it is okay to kill them (Cuz yes, the quran is okay with killing and enslaving non-muslims, in fact it explicitly encourages it.) So this is how they justify killing them.
Obviously this is the niche explanation of ISIS. Not mainstream islamic interpretations.
You said everything ISIS did is mentioned in quran and is valid interpretation of it. Yes?
Quran defines muslims as people who believe in oness of Allah and Prophet Muhammad as the final messenger of Allah.
Quran is very explicit about this terminology. The part of the quran revealed in Madinah (first islamic state), tackles this question of people who say they are muslim but do not act like it. They are called munafiqs (not kuffar), in fact this is the biggest topic of madni quran.
So when you say that actions of ISIS are from quran, that is categorically wrong.
That’s my whole point. Which is very very apparent if a non-muslim were to read it without an anti-muslim agenda.
I don’t even wanna go into your other false claims cuz the internet is literally filled of their refutations if anyone want to look into that those topics.
You said everything ISIS did is mentioned in quran and is valid interpretation of it. Yes?
Everything ISIS did is a valid interpretation of quran and hadith. Sunni muslims use two sources to make rulings, one is the qur’an and the second is hadith. Because the atrocities are countless, let’s talk about two things they did often:
- Ensalevement of women: The quran explicitly mentions this as Malakat Al-Yamin, it talks about it in regards to islamic laws of marriage and who men are allowed to have sex with, saying that men are allowed to sleep with their wives and those whom they own (Aw Ma Malakat Aymanokom).
Slavery, as you see, is permitted in islam and is mentioned countless times in the quran itself. You can look up the verse I mentioned.
Not only that, it is also supported by hadith in multiple Sahih hadith (which is the highest degree of trust in a hadith being correct and traced back to the time of Muhammed by muslim scholars).
The first hadith talks about his wife Safiyyah Bint Huyayy. She was enslaved during the battle of Khaybar, taken at first by Dihyah Al-Kalby. Muhammed then heard about her beauty and status and decided to take her for himself. I would also like to mention by the way, that she lost her husband and father that day, killed in the battle. She was then taken by Muhammed as a slave, and he slept with her on their way back that night. Not even 24 hours after the death of her father and her husband.
So yes. Muhammed himself partook in slavery.
Another one was about Aayisha and how she set one of her slaves free, then told Muhammed about it. His own response was “Had you given her to one of your uncles would have been of higher reward to you from Allah.” I don’t remember the hadith verbatim, but it’s along those lines. Again, I encourage you to look this up.
- Mass killings:
Verse 4 from Surat Muhammed justifies this by telling those who believe in god that: “if they ever meet anyone who is a non-believer they should hit their necks [with their swords] until they kill a large number of them, then take the rest as prisoners of war, until the war ends, and if god wanted he’d win this war…etc (Look up the verse).”
As for the difference between Makkah quran and the quran of Madina, you will find a great shift of tone from the “peaceful co-existence” tone in Makkah quran, to talking about Munaffiqeen and fighting kuffar in Madina Quran. The difference is crazy that the verses contradict one another. Especially verses in surat Al-Tawbah. Scholars solve this problem of contradictions by saying that the latter surahs and verses (and even hadiths in some cases!) essentially override the early verses (Something called Naskh).
So yes.The actions of ISIS can be justified from the Quran and Hadith. I am also willing to argue that this was the way of life of Muhammed and his Sahabah 1400 years ago. A life of war, genocide, and enslavement, as is supported by countless Hadiths and verses from the quran, of which I only told you very few lol.
Now, again I would like to stress. The fact that they do this against other muslims as well by saying they are kaffir, is as I said, not the mainstream view. In fact, most muslim sheikhs and scholars throughout history took the idea of calling a mulsim kafir as taboo. Because they believed only Allah was allowed to say that about someone. The reason is that by saying someone is kaffir you are essentially saying they are going to hell. Thus, making a ruling that only Allah is allowed to make.
So only minority groups of muslims like ISIS do such thing, while even large institutions like Al-Azhar in Egypt and other muslim institutions refrain from using that language against ISIS.
Isis was armed and paid by Israel. Religions are theaters of the class war, not ennemies in themselves
Religions are tools to control the masses and yes the rich use them for this purpose. Thus it should eventually be dismantled if possible, or restrained at least. Because when religious institutions have too much power and influence we can agree that nothing good happens out of it.
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No, this is the Jewish religion. They believe you do not have a divine soul, you are inherently lesser, you will be a slave to them when their messiah returns, and if you read about any of their heinous beliefs in the Talmud you should be killed. This is the consequence of allowing a religous ethnostate to control the most controversial region of the world.
it is as much jewish as trump is christian
Hey speaking of. Have you ever wonder why he wouldn’t shave his sideburns and slicks them back, or why many staffers came out in 2019 and said he converted to Judaism with his daughter.
Isn’t there a decent amount of evidence that ISIS is in fact, the IDF. ?
False flag operation.
There is not.
Weird how ISIS only targets other Muslims.
Even though it’s legit against the Muslim religion to kill other Muslims.
Even though it’s legit against the Muslim religion to kill other Muslims.
Not really. Islam has a lot of denominations and interpretations of the quran. ISIS justify killing of other muslims as that these muslims are “kuffar” because they have not actively implemented the teachings of Allah and are silent and complicit in not implementing sharia law.
Some denominations would say that those muslim people are ignorant and so there’s no blame to be put on them. ISIS’s sees that ignorance is not an execuse because in their opinion it is every muslim’s duty to learn their religion, and that if they did, they’d see that they must implement sharia law.
These type of things happening disprove the the belief of good gods. If this type of shit can happen, your supposedly “good” deities are either not powerful or fake.
soulless fucks
Humanity needs to decide what level of barbarism we will collectively tolerate.
Israel has been way over the line for a while.
If we allow them, Team Trump, and the rest of the greed first lobby to continue, i can only hope for total and complete nuclear destruction.
It was always class war
I mean we’ve been allowing this shit to happen all over the world, and worse – it’s just not in the news because news about israel gets more clicks
Israel and USA have led by example and demonstrated what the world needs to do - targeted assassinations.
Humanity needs to decide what level of barbarism we will collectively tolerate.
Historically, the bar has been set extraordinarily low. But that’s largely based on the question of informed consent. Articles like this aren’t going to show up on FOX or ABC or CBS, so long as the people perpetrating the crimes are Israeli. By contrast, if an Iranian or Russian or Chinese or <insert scary country here> police force engaged in such an act, it would be held up as an excuse for carpet bombing their power plants and assassinating their university professors.
If we allow them
We aren’t in a position to allow or disallow without a large scale mobilization of labor. Even then, a lot of what you’re talking about begins with boring bureaucratic shit like petitions and marches. The violence doesn’t just go away because some pollster can show a broad public disgust (for - again - events the major Western media isn’t interested in covering).
Without assess to mass media, the public remains broadly uninformed and disinterested. Without a mobilized labor movement, there is no organizational support for individual dissent.
Even when such things do exist (Italian and Spanish citizens have been at the forefront of the BDS movement), there are countervailing forces among the plutocracy that obstruct material change.
The belief that you can unilaterally or rapidly affect sweeping international policy changes - that you are some Great Man of History who has volunteered to be apathetic - is going to drive you insane, if you let it.
Humanity needs to decide what level of barbarism we will collectively tolerate.
I think it already decided and the decision was that this is fine.
Unfortunately the strongest lobbies seem to decide what is doable, not humanity at large
There needs to be a better way to enforce geneva conventions and UN resolutions for countries at the top. Otherwise they’ll only bring them up when it’s convenient for them.
The fact that people aren’t talking about sudan and Myanmar where worse happens is telling, but this has better video coverage.
We can only hope for nuclear destruction, it’s one of the few things that ANYONE can do to pay for the crimes of Israel
Why would Hamas do this…?!? /s
Every politician in the west not calling this out is evil and a liar.
They will have to do better than one fake article with an AI generated image.
Here
“Everything I don’t like is AI”
The real problem with AI isn’t that you can make up fake things. It’s that real things can be hand waved as fake.
There’s more than one problem with AI
The image is from an older attack (Oct 2025, after the “ceasefire”) and is likely not AI:
- https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/chris-hughes-gaza-slaughter-least-36153799
- https://www.irishstar.com/news/world-news/gallery/12-harrowing-images-show-devastation-36152173
The images of this story are these ones. There was also a video interview of the mother somewhere.
But yes, the article from www.aa.com.tr is shit
Both are Turkish sources. I’m reminded of when the daughter of the US Ambassador to Kuwait perjured herself before congress claiming to be a nurse and having witnessed Iraqi solders rip babies out of hospital ventilators as justification for the first Gulf War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
This story is rage bait.
I remember that story, but you’ve reversed the attribution. It was the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US.
That’s correct. The cited source makes your point too. My error.
Who are “they”?
Are “they” here with you right now?
“They” is a pronoun, pronouns always refer to the last subject.
In this case, “they” would refer to whomever wrote the article and provided the images
Now you know! …and knowing is half the battle
turkey, who wrote the article
Cassel: If the President deems that he’s got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person’s child, there is no law that can stop him?
Yoo: No treaty.
Cassel: Also no law by Congress. That is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo.
Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.
