If it was a worker-owned co-op they’d be the same… but it never is.

Interesting.

It’s because you continue to argue with users even after they’ve asked you to stop. You’ve had multiple reports, and you’ve also made multiple reports of your own.

Give me even one example of this, i did it to you because you falsely accused me of something, which of course, i have the right to explain myself.

If you’re reporting the person you’re arguing with, and they’re also reporting you, then it’s not very productive, is it?

Yeah, I did report you before I realized you were a moderator, because you were arguing in terrible faith.

So to satisfy your urge to argue, I engaged with you until you said nonsense about what Marx said, and I countered with a direct quote from him.

You countered me with a direct quote that had nothing to do with what I said… that did not in fact contradict anything I said. I said marx did not give a specific implementation of communism, the quote you gave INCLUDES A STATE, and is thus, obviously not an implementation of communism. He never claims to give an implementation of communism, he’s just giving a description of a country that might someday become communist, not one that is currently. It’s well-known in circles of marxist scholars that marx never gave a specific implementation of communism.

But despite that, you ignored it and changed your phrasing, and made a thread to brigade, as you often do.

I did not ignore it, I explained precisely why it was incorrect, and i’m obviously right about this, it’s very straightforward logic

at the end of history there will be no state, communism is the end of history, therefore that is not an implementation of communism because it has a state doing things.

You also messaged me 15 different times to continue arguing, often within the same 24 hours of your ban. What do you expect me to do when you ignore your ban, just to argue directly?

Yes, because you falsely accused me of lying and I wanted to clarify that I did not in fact lie, and that anybody could easily see that you are arguing in bad faith. I wanted you to unban me because my ban was not justified.

What do you expect me to do when you report every user you’re arguing with?

I have only ever reported you.

What do you expect me to do when you don’t know what no means?

Retract your false accusations, man up to the fact that you were wrong.

As I said multiple times, you’re not looking to argue but instead to harass, which you are right now doing by making this thread.

Nope, this thread is looking for justice to you harrassing ME. I gave a friendly informational post about communism, you harrassed me for it, anybody can see that. That’s why you’re universally getting a PTB.

You are a sealion. You were banned for harassing multiple users.

That’s false, I was banned for this interaction with you, point to the other users i harassed. Give even one example.

And the fact you report them when they argue back shows that you don’t actually care to engage, but just to sling mud.

You got reported because your arguments were so bad that I genuinely believed you were trolling me, only for me to be incredibly shocked that you are a moderator.

And the fact you report them when they argue back shows that you don’t actually care to engage, but just to sling mud. – Again, you’re unbanned with no comments removed

I have engaged with EVERY SINGLE claim that has been made in a civil and calm manner. Find even one example of a point i have ignored or not addressed, i challenge you.

I think sealioning is a nonsense excuse you’re peddling because you want your arguments to just go your way by force. You didn’t even go “don’t these points contradict?” and give me the opportunity to explain myself, you just instantly banned me. I think that’s a very convenient excuse for you. A sealion wouldn’t reply to all of your points openly, and directly, they would avoid your points and bring up random unrelated nonsense. I did not ignore anything you said, and you falsely accused me of things and harrassed me, that’s why you’re here, for being a PTB. And this is easily and demonstrably NOT your first time here.

edit: you massively edited your comment so i’m going to just address this:

You may request an unban at any time, which you never did

that’s literally the first request I made to which you said

When I requested I didn’t realize it wasn’t permanent.

i’m curious why you’d say that if i never requested an unban, but sure.

and yeah I get dm’s can be easily faked but honestly just think about it what are the odds that I didn’t request an unban…

MOG is the only active community that stands against them, and I’ve seen every method they use, which you are using. From the community’s perspective, you are one of these tankies, and as moderator, I have to put the community first before a single user.

I have not done anything that anybody dealing with a PTB wouldn’t do.

I have not made a single pro-authoritarian post in my entire accounts history, feel free to look, i’m not a tankie, regardless of any biases you and your users hold. Also, if you and your users hold the view that i’m a tankie and can’t even point to one instance of me being authoritarian, that’s pretty embarrassing. An entire community of tankie haters that can’t even identify one?

That would make sense if he hadn’t explicitly stated being a communist is not against the rules.

he clearly is open to the possibility of non authoritarian communism and just believes the definition can’t exclude it for some reason.

TBH do you actually think that there’s some chance that nobody is testing these releases and this is happening to a massive number of people?

I’ve installed linux countless times on a SHITLOAD of computers and never faced any of these problems, realistically, you’re very unlucky, and these sorts of things happen with windows all the time too.

I’m not saying your issues don’t matter, but unless you have statistics that back you up, you can’t say “it just works” to either OS.

I’ve had more of an “It just works” experience with linux literally hundreds of times.

they’re not even arguments they’re just simple statements of fact, i’m not even saying the beliefs are good, these are communist beliefs, factually. There’s nothing to argue.

The craziest part for me is that i was just explaining what communists believe, i didn’t even endorse them, and he decided it was an argument that needed to be crushed, and I don’t think anybody who knows anything about communist philosophy would disagree with any of the things I said. He doesn’t have an axe to grind against communism, just his imaginary, completely undefined and arbitrary version of it that is comprised of whatever he doesn’t like.

sorry that was actually a bad link it only shows one chain

https://lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz/post/54271789/18658190

technically there’s no such thing as an instance of communism because communism is the end-point of history after socialism and well after capitalism has been abolished but there’s these socialist ones:

https://anarwiki.org/List_of_Anarchist_Societies

To be clear anarchists and communists have the same end goals, just vastly different strategies for making it happen.

I don’t think there’s any chance apologia was the basis of the decision, he explicitly stated it was because of the lie he pointed out meaning I was arguing in bad faith, when I pointed out that he misinterpreted it and explained what I meant he banned me again for replying to his false allegations.

I don’t think there’s room for interpretation, he just didn’t like losing an argument and wanted to silence me. He did check me for apologia sentiment and I did as he wanted, when he couldn’t ban me for apologia he decided my arguments were in bad faith and gave me a terrible reason, I think in creating this framework to make an “objective” statement you have given him far far too much credit.

the only thing I want is the acknowledgement that I did not in fact technically break the rules. I don’t think there’s even a way to interpret what I said as apologia honestly. Even if there was, that would at best account for one of the two bans.

He explicitly stated that being a communist is not against the rules, and I at no point endorsed or recommended even one authoritarian thing, even going so far as to clarify that I am not a marxist communist and disavowing tankiesm in clear words.

i do not think there is any argument to be made that there was any apologia at all. If I was to explain the beliefs of nazis that would not be apologia.

furthermore he didn’t ban me for apologia, he banned me for “lying”

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I have not committed any apologia, I just explained what communists believe, I at no point endorsed tankiesm

They die from the billions he’s keeping. If I donated 20$ it would impact me more than bill gates will be impacted through this act of generosity.

Hundreds of thousands will die because of his greed, him making up for some of it doesn’t make him worthy of praise, yes obviously it’s a good thing that fewer people will suffer, but we’re discussing whether he did a good thing. My argument is that he did less than the bare minimum because he is keeping billions

your standards are so incredibly low for humanity that this is good enough to praise, my standards are not so low, I expect him to sacrifice to help others before I think he deserves praise.

He could spend billions on megayachts, private islands, hookers, and blow, or hoard it like a dragon as other billionaires do. Instead he’s making a direct material difference in millions of lives around the world.

He can still do that, he still will have billions. He will likely not reduce the frequency of these purchases at all.

What he’s doing saves millions of people.

Yeah, and it’s the bare minimum. consider the hundreds of thousands that could be saved if he went down to being a millionare… He sacrificed literally nothing to save millions of people. It’s outrageous that all billionaires aren’t doing this, but it isn’t particularly noble.

I know a communist might think a million lives is just a statistic, but those are individual people. Bill Gates the billionaire is doing more to make the world a tangibly better place than all the conplainers in this thread.

of course he is, but he’s sacrificing literally nothing to do it. So, so what? It just makes it even more disgusting that he built up that amount of wealth in the first place. Nobody should be that wealthy and this should not be applauded, it should be less than even the bare minimum. If he downsizes his mansion or otherwise loses something then it’s a minor act of charity. Until his life is in someway effected this is basically nothing. If you donate a 20 dollar bill it will likely impact your life more than this will impact his.

…you do realize that, for example, if you had 100 billion dollars, you already have every asset you ever wanted, and then you lost 99 billion, and still had a billion dollars, your life wouldn’t be impacted at all, right?

99 percent of his wealth being lost does what to him exactly? I literally can’t think of one thing he loses with this.

i think you could benefit from reading yourself, my point was about what he loses by donating the wealth, if you think money has inherent value I feel very bad for you, honestly.

I just need steam\proton\wine to support native wayland and then I’ll remove xwayland from my system, can’t wait

i’m on hyprland though

New hyprland patch can do pretty much all the xdotool stuff since they added a send key to window thing

what is bill gates sacrificing to do this? As far as I’m aware absolutely nothing at all.

i think in order for this to be praised, in order for it to be good or generous there needs to be any amount of sacrifice. Is he downsizing his mansion for this? Does even one thing about his life change?

this is just a way of buying good pr.

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