House Democratic lawmakers reportedly used a closed-door meeting earlier this week to vent their frustrations with progressive advocacy groups that have been driving constituent calls and pressuring the party to act like a genuine opposition force in the face of the Trump administration’s authoritarian assault on federal agencies and key programs.
Let me fix your headline “Sitting incumbents too comfortable to do their jobs annoyed that they are being pushed to do their jobs.”
They are mostly all careerists who focus on who’s “turn” it is while they are one foot in the grave. Its a major issue on why we have the current situation.
The fact that hold onto power they are either unwilling or too scared to use is infuriating.
Hey Democrats, why don’t you form another couple of committees and release some weak statements condemning the other side while doing fuck-all. Clearly, it’s gotten you this far, so why not just keep treading that same old road? It’s frustrating to see the Democrats get beaten over the head again and again and learning the wrong lesson. FUCKING DO SOMETHING.
They DO something. Punching down on people that didn’t vote for their genocide party. Horrible gloating comments saying it’s their fault whenever the israhellis commit more warcrimes and that they deserve it. If that doesn’t make clear they are in powerhungry ghouls without compassion IDK what will.
Don’t forget “Strongly worded letters” and vigorous finger wagging. Which is what passes for fighting from our passel of corrupt do nothing feckless Dem “leaders”.
I hear about slamming on the daily, though. And with their frail joints and bones, too.
Fucking shit heads. I hope they [redacted].
The party leadership needs to step down.
You forgot quotes surrounding leadership.
they never will, they are fat and happy right where they are. Even a fascist gov’t is preferrable to giving up access to wealth and influence they enjoy right now. I’d say much more likely is a workers party gaining popularity but that kind of pro-worker party is gonna have a hard time receiving the financial backing the dems and repubs get.
They think the gravy train lasts forever, seemingly unaware the fascists would be more than happy to see them in the same camps as the rest of us, and would make that happen the moment they get the chance, without a moments hesitation.
a closed-door meeting earlier this week to vent their frustrations with progressive advocacy groups
This tracks.
Democrats are tirelessly working behind the scenes! You just don’t see what happens behind closed doors!
Behind closed doors:
a closed-door meeting earlier this week to vent their frustrations with progressive advocacy groups
Now I’m not saying that the Republican Party is a blatantly fascistic organization designed to re-concentrate all wealth and power into the hands of an aging white billionaire elite afraid of losing their power and want to “scorch the Earth” in revenge for the fact that they and their very specific view of “how things should be” can not last forever
And that the Democrats are not only complacent, but are actively in on the plan and intentionally aiding this grift by pretending to be an alternative choice of leadership that seeks to prevent this from happening, and doing the bare minimum to keep up that illusion to prevent real opposition from showing up.
Part of that plan is to get people to join up with the Democratic Party to resist the Republicans and steer them away from or at least discourage them from doing anything that would actually stop the Great Ominous Plan…
The reason this is so effective is because due to the way America’s Electoral System is, anything outside of the R’s or D’s is entirely unelectable no matter how many people vote.
Though this also means that if the Democrats ever lost control of their party to people who actually want to do something, it would threaten to destroy the Republican Party, and prevent anything like it from rearing its ugly head again. As it would become as demonized as the Nazi Party is in Germany.
But let’s just say that that was exactly the case…
What would the D’s and R’s be doing differently?
This is where I sit. Either the Dems are controlled opposition, or they’re actually this incompetent. Does it matter? Do you even need to get conspiratorial? No, they’re unqualified and should be replaced.
Right? Like, I used to think they were just naive, but they’re too damn good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
It’s like the old saying goes, when Democrats make a firing line the first thing they do is form a circle.
What would the D’s and R’s be doing differently?
You’re about to find out.
Can Chuck Schumer go jump down a well please? Fuck the DNC’s “centrist” republicrat agenda. Return to progressivism you archaic troglodytes.
The party is functionally dead. If they don’t come out with absolute opposition we will be stuck with a single party for the rest of our lives.
This is sadly the truth.
The headline almost reads like an Onion article.
Most of them do nowadays.
If certain Dems aren’t going to do anything constructive, then they need to get out of the damn way and put people like AOC in charge.
Better get fucking used to it bluedogs.
We need a Democratic Tea Party movement very badly.
Unfortunately, I already know the people who would lead it would also never get past making the rules of who’s included, what kind of tea we’ll be using, and if it’s ethically sourced, and if any members have any problematic tweets in their past, what particular brand of socialism everyone subscribes to, and of course, what we’re actually demanding from the government.
Say what you want about the right, but their superficial, Ork-like focus on goals gets them moving. Too bad those goals are usually things like “Vote against our best interests as much as humanly possible.”
edit: I love that half the comments below are people disagreeing about how we would organize it and what we would want and who we would include. I both despair and celebrate that I’m not someone who can just hear a single word like “woke” and just laser-focus on uniting with literal crocodiles to take it down. Identify our weaknesses people, stop trying to be smarter than the problem. The problem is stupid simple, we have wealthy elite stealing our lives and futures away and the right is enabling them. Full stop, we should be fucking marching locked-arm with people whom we’ve been told to abhor to fix this. Imagine if people became scared to associate with billionaires. Imagine if we all did something.
The tea party, however, turned out to be an entirely artificial astroturfed “movement” that got its funding from the Koch brothers. They only came to exist because they were deemed a potentially profitable investment to the one percent. Same goes for Kerry getting “swiftboated”. It was always about money.
So they were class traitors who did it for nothing other than hoping to earn the Koch Brothers favor?
People forget that the “tea” in “tea party” stands for Taxed Enough Already
you need electoral reform so you can fuck the democrats right off
They will never let that happen, only state initiatives/props would work, and my state’s governor vetoed a bill to enable cities and countries non-FPTP voting
I dont think we want to brand off anything related to tea. Lets call it the people’s party.
Nah that name gives off Democratic People’s Republic of Korea/People’s Republic of China vibes.
you wish
The left won’t big-tent: if you aren’t perfect and addressing their issue du jour, well, good luck. I don’t know how you make a progressive party if there is no ability to prioritize.
And by the way I get it, if I wasn’t allowed to exist, I would sure as shit want my issue at the front of the line too.
The left will happily big-tent to a point, but we’re not about to include people who directly attack the party platform, and we need to throw out those shits when we find them-- the liebermans, bidens, sinemas, and fettermans. We need to get back to having a party platform, which the current democratic party doesnt really. We also cant belly up to AIPACs udder like the other parties did or we’ll be right back where we started.
I had such high hopes for Fetterman. He seemed like the closest thing to putting myself in the Senate. Every article I’ve seen about him since then just makes me a little more wrong. Still one hundred times better than Dr. OZ though, so no regrets, just disappointment.
I like to think Fetterman’s stroke had something to do with neutering him. Whether or not that’s the reason for his collaboration.
lol
Yeah I don’t think that’s as true as you’d like to think. It’s not even about accepting outsiders, it’s purely about agreeing what issue to tackle first. Seeems to me there’s a really strong vibe of “I’m in if it’s my issue” and protesting “what about my issue?!” when it’s not. No concept of eating one bite at a time even though that’s how the work gets done.
This might hold water if Democrats would quit working in the wrong direction on those issues while they’re tackling one thing at a time.
Democrats supported genocide. Democrats ran anti-trans hate in their own ads. Democrats adopted Republican border policy.
Also, what one thing were they working on during this time?
They didn’t. As I’m sure you know. The only unifying thing was “not trump” and “punish trump for doing loudly what others had done quietly”.
But. What are D voters asking for? Is it any wonder the reps aren’t unified if we aren’t either? Of for and by the people doesn’t really work if we all spend our days asking Lemmy how to avoid politics and watching ASMR videos. Or LETTING TRUMP GET INTO OFFICE because of protest no votes against genocide thinking you’re some kind of fucking hero.
Everybody that allowed trump for any reason deserves to get a little bit fucked by the admin. We gotta do better, and this should make it clear to everyone that there. are. consequences.
They didn’t. As I’m sure you know. The only unifying thing was “not trump” and “punish trump for doing loudly what others had done quietly”.
And they either expected that to work or didn’t care if it did.
But. What are D voters asking for?
They have made that clear. They want the Democrats to quit being useless. They want the Democrats to stop selling us all out under the pretext of being polite to people that want us dead in camps.
I’m not saying you’re wrong but I feel like slow iteration has never worked. We’ve been stuck in the same politics for maybe 30 years. And the DNC dems seem like they arent interested in making anything better, just in winning. They barely bother to make a platform anymore. Its like an afterthought.
The only platform is “we follow the rules and the procedures” and that’s all we got. I would love to see a full progressive agenda, but the first step is, in my opinion, getting money out of politics or it will take a long time to break Republican control and an even longer time to push out the neoliberal old guard on the left. Then you have to fight this fractionation problem. With no ranked choice, the same old neoliberal is probably going to win the primary between the women’s rights advocate, the gay rights activist, the pro Palestine anti war ambassador, and so on. I’m also against slow iteration, and this is why it isn’t working. You can’t just say the equivalent opposite of “guns, Jesus, and trump!” (whatever that is) and win a progressive left race.
If they’re so pissed about it, the progressives should just pack up and form a new party or join the WFP
haven’t you heard?
everyone and everything that isn’t the democrats is russian psy ops…
If you want the Democrats to fight more effectively against Trump, by running on a better platform and listening to the active voter base, so the country is safe for at least 4 more years and maybe arrest Trump, you are actually:
- A tankie
- A russian bot
- A brainwashed Fox News watcher
- A china spy who was brainwashed by TikTok
- A republican who pretends to be a democrat
- A useful idiot for Republicans
- Whatever MSNBC said this week was the thing to watch out for
It’s mentally draining that I am on the side of the Democrats winning, because I know I would have prefered Harris to Trump every single day. Despite her record of trans rights and gaza, because she could have been pushed forward by learning from mistakes and not having her brains be mush like Trump and Biden.
And because I wanted her to win by publicly expressing the things documented in her campaign’s website? I’m somehow wanting Trump to win despite being a disabled queer.
I just don’t get how so many liberals will see me go “Harris should advocate for this thing that would be good, she said she wants it in the past” and then read that as “I hate her because she’s a Democrat woman, I also love to eat shit of out Trump’s asshole and claim it’s owning the libs.”
Never once have I ever praised Trump unironically, I can could count on two fingers things I am neutral towards, (Backing out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership and getting rid of the Penny) and that’s it, everything else he has made my life worse on the Federal level, and helped some of my friends die from COVID.
I just got to wonder if the people who constantly think this are just angry that Trump got a loyal unquestioning fanbase, and want a piece of the media-manipulated voter base for themselves.
That’s why they’ve earned the name Blue MAGA. They’re just as hateful, just as interested in Yes Men and making sure people submit to their authority unquestioningly. They want Fascism-Lite, they just want it to be “their guy” in charge.
It blows my mind that people criticize the GOP for being so tribalistic, not realizing a majority of the DNC is exactly the same.
And then they get mad when we call them that, and say we actually hate America like MAGA dipshits.
I just got to wonder if the people who constantly think this are just angry that Trump got a loyal unquestioning fanbase, and want a piece of the media-manipulated voter base for themselves
Yes, because they think that’s how he won since they ignore everything Trump and downtrodden people say on the premise that they are dumb and valid to be ignored.
There isn’t a recognition of changing to meet people suffering to show empathy but a thought that if they just had enough power first they could fix whatever is really wrong cause it must be something other than what people are complaining about.
They want the power without purpose which isn’t a winning strategy compared to explaining what you intend to do with power for people who feel powerless.
No no, it’s the Chinese this week. +10 sosjal credits Xi bucks for your comment commmie!
everyone and everything that isn’t the democrats is russian psy ops…
Everyone and everything to the left of Netanyahu’s wing of the Democratic Party.
Yeah it’s a clever lie that’s perpetuated that says progressives have no where to go if they try to break from the Democrats. But secretly a more progressive platform would actually draw over a lot of disaffected libertarians and lite conservatives who only vote conservative because they’ve been convinced that they should only vote in opposition to Democrats instead of in favor of anything.
from my experience with some libertarian 2a people I’d agree with this. I was surprised how indifferent (good) they were about minorities and trans people considering how they vote. honestly having a pro-drug, pro-gun* platform would win a huge chunk of them. and both of those would also be good for oppressed minorities (imo).
actually sitting here thinking about it do we have any figures on how much tax money gets pumped into prison systems that rely on drug enforcement to fill? not to mention the military industrial complex. cuz I know leftists like to riff on libertarians about “I don’t understand how taxes work” but there’s a lot of tax money going to things I don’t agree with either.
*more like “sex positive” in the sense of education and safety and not shaming people who partake. not whatever the NRA is doing.
I mean, lots of “libertarians” are frothing at the mouth to defund our military but agree that the government should at least subsidize healthcare and education with some of those funds. The terms we have are loosey-goosey and most people are incoherent policy to policy. We’ve just been sorted into groups by a century of two-party propaganda.
I’ve always said if Democrats just shut the fuck up about guns or God forbid even walk back a teensy but, they would have no problem winning. Plenty of single issue voters vote red because of successful propaganda. How the hell anybody thinks anyone is coming for their buns is beyond me, I always ask for an explanation of who and how their guns will be taken from them. Never a coherent answer.
How the hell anybody thinks anyone is coming for their buns is beyond me
My fiance said she’s coming for my buns tonight
Nice. Happy Valentine’s Day!
Lucky guy!
I’ve always said if Democrats just shut the fuck up about guns or God forbid even walk back a teensy but, they would have no problem winning.
Gun nuts won’t buy it. The base will. Moving to the right has hit a wall and anyone who suggests it just likes moving to the right.
Laying off the gun issue doesn’t have to be a move to the right, plenty of leftists own guns. I’m just saying they should clearly state that they aren’t coming for anyone’s guns
Laying off the gun issue doesn’t have to be a move to the right
But it will be.
I’m just saying they should clearly state that they aren’t coming for anyone’s guns
You expect gun nuts to buy that?
Why do you have to jump right to the extreme? If you’re looking for useful discourse, immediately shutting down what you seem to agree would be a good idea isn’t helpful. I know plenty of gun nuts that would absolutely drop the hate of the Republicans if they knew their hobby was secured. It’s easy to do simply because NOBODY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO COME FOR ANYBODY’S GUNS. Who’s going to do it, cops? The guys that love guns? The military? It’s just a lack of critical thinking and a little bit of reassurance might go a long way.
It’s not a lie when one party is fascist. Trying to split just ensures Nazi rule like IT JUST FICKING DID
one party is more fascist
There is only one party and its fascist. They’re not the same because they’re just as bad. They’re the same because they’re on the same team.
Democrats suck the fattest corporate dick, lovingly, and laugh at the poor fighting amongst themselves, but it’s not good to dilute such a serious label as fascist with something you don’t like.
Nothing is ‘diluted’ about that term. Being complicit in genocide, extreme violence and prosecution simply for protesting it. Putting kids in cages, imperialism, regime change, warmongering, and plenty more. They are fascist, they’re just too full of themselves to admit it. It’s not good to negate these serious facts just because you don’t like it.
Your final little retort there mocking me is the most childish thing I’ve read on the internet in a little bit. You can compare a mountain to a molehill if you like but I think we have bigger problems to worry about.
What solution do you propose to not working with the Democrats right now? Splitting the party and forming a progressive party hoping for scraps from the right that just want guns AND weed and don’t care about trans folks? What’s your plan besides being angry at Corporate Democrats? Have you donated to any of our more progressive Representatives?
Nobody needs to split anything or work with them. 3rd parties already exist, even if they get scammed and sabotaged by your beloved party. “donated to any of our more progressive Representatives” LOL let me know who these ‘progressives’ are. BTW I’m European, not from your uniparty pseudo democracy and therefore can think outside the box. Your county’s politics are ridiculous and embarrassing. I’m really happy you got Trump. Him destroying your country is the best thing that could happen for the world.
what progressives would want to be in a disgusting right wing party?
Working Families Party isn’t right wing.
I am only donating to AOC until she and her fellow progressives gain a larger voice in the direction of the party. I’ve unsubbed from a lot of Democratic lists, too.
I advise all to do the same (as she can allocate these money to elsewhere if she wishes), while also contacting the DNC at https://democrats.org/
Here’s a thought instead of blowing your money supporting candidates that already have access to massive amounts of cash, donate it to the Trevor project, planned parenthood or literally any nonprofit.
OR here’s a thought — now hear me out — you don’t because those charitable donations are a treatment of a symptomatic issue reflective of failed government policy to begin with. So if you really want to address the root cause and actually reshape the party from a top-down approach, then I encourage you follow my strategy.
Or you know, you can donate to both.
- The more money that goes to AOC, the greater her voice in the Democratic party.
- The greater her voice, the greater the progressive shift in the Democratic party.
- The greater the progressive shift in progressive economic populism, the better outcomes for Women’s and LGBTQ+ rights.
The more money that goes to AOC, the greater her voice in the Democratic party.
This is a pretty good observation. If you want to help the party, give money to people like AOC and tell her to give it to the party.
So they are silently just watching when Murica burns to the ground.
They did rally themselves last month to push hard for tougher laws going against illegal video streaming websites. Netflix or someone in the entertainment industry cut them a check, I imagine.
“We could push for laws to make Nazi shit more illegal… Stop Musk… Maybe try to catch Trump… Nah, piracy is the most pressing issue right now! The camps need more workers for Trump!”
Holding the only buckets that could hold water and go “I’ve done all I could, I’m gonna keep pushing for more buckets!” while the buckets that can be used are filled with gasoline by Republicans.
I’m sure they’ve already ran the numbers and realized getting power to exploit the people from winning is far less likely than getting it from switching sides.
I could swear this shit is like the plot from The Producers. They’ve monetized their incompetence and realized that they can make more money from losing elections than from winning. They collect billions in donations from desperate people and then launder it, squandering it on ineffectual “vote blue” spam while awarding lucrative no bid consultancy contracts with friendly party aristocracy insiders for massive kick backs and “speaking fees”.
Kamala “I’m Speaking” Harris never intended to do anything OTHER than speaking. Seems the democrat establishment doesn’t want any of us remembering that TALK IS CHEAP.
Kamala “I’m Speaking” Harris never intended to do anything OTHER than speaking. Seems the democrat establishment doesn’t want any of us remembering that TALK IS CHEAP.
And even then, they refused to have anyone but the old guard speak. Palestinians to help bridge the people who are unhappy with both parties supporting murder? Nah, why do that?
Democrats think words speak louder than actions. A strongly worded tweet stops trump and musk from taking over the government. A donational pledge stops transphobia and racism.
Palestinians to help bridge the people
Identity politics is the chief weakness of Dems. Dems do that way too much rather than not enough.
TALK IS CHEAP.
Her “talk” wasn’t very effective. She should have called Trump a fascist and traitor and rapist and corrupt and incompetent every single day. Her rhetoric was shit.
LOL it does seem eerily similar to the plot of the producers.
