Trump is 100% going to blame this loser when he fucks the election up, and the following insurrection attempt.
If Trump loses in November he’ll be in jail by January. The sentencing has already been scheduled. If the election is going to be stolen it’ll have to be stolen when the votes are cast or counted, not when the election is certified.
he’ll be in jail by January.
Sigh - no he won’t, so can we stop pretending like he will ever face punishment for anything?
I would believe a “house arrest” at Maralago. A house arrest where he gets to pick his security and visitors like
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I would too, unless Congress revokes his Secret Service detail. Secret Service protection is what makes imprisoning him difficult, it’s either house arrest or they rededicate an entire prison wing to just him.
I wouldn’t let him pick his security and restrict his visitors though. And absolutely no internet or social media. It’s supposed to be a punishment, after all.
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I think he’d just ditch to someplace with no extradition so he can keep gassing up domestic terrorists from abroad.
Cool. So fucking arrest him. He’s a public figure that knowingly and willingly endangered an entire population. Throw the book at his big fat eyelined face.
Why did everyone believe this obvious fake news?
People will believe anything about people they already hate.
Remember the Central Park 5. People were bloodthirsty
everyone
everyone didn’t believe it. those primed to buy conspiracy bullshit sure did tho.
huh.
I like conspiracies. They’re fun…this one was too far to fast of a stretch lol
Conspiracy theories. Actual conspiracies are a lot more mundane.
I used to think the they were fun until so many people started taking them seriously. Republicans ruin everything.
Conspiracy bullshit and racism.
My pet theory is that it’s a reaction to the couch fucker thing. The left made up and ran with a story, and this is them trying to do the same thing. Obvious problem being that it’s racist, dangerous, and not funny, but that’s the right for you.
I’m not sure there is anything illegal about making up these stories.
Edit: All these down votes are just wishful thinking. JD Vance is a piece of shit, but he hasn’t done anything illegal. (That’s not to say he hasn’t done anything wrong, because he totally has.)
Yelling “Fire!” in a crowded venue is not protected under Free Speech.
Yelling “Fire!” in a crowded venue is not protected under Free Speech.
I know that’s the famous example, but you’re actually wrong. It’s only not protected if there’s no fire, the person yelling it believes there is no fire, and the person yelling it is doing so to cause a panic or imminent lawless action. Speech protections in the US are extremely broad, and most of the exact lines and contours have been defined in court, often in cases involving the ACLU, the KK, or both (specifically in the form of the ACLU defending the KKK, which is where many of the lines as regards protests were determined).
ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)
Fucking autocorrect? sigh Fixing it…
Name the criminal statute he should be charged with violating.
Agreed that he likely does not have a 1st amendment defense. But you still need a specific criminal statute to charge him with. I am unaware of any that he has likely violated with his xenophobic remarks
Demagoguery that targets a marginalized group is an American tradition. It is unlikely that he committed any crime
Agreed that he likely does not have a 1st amendment defense.
He likely does. Pretty much anything short of directly inciting an immediate panic or imminent lawless action is protected.
Ohio could possibly sue him civilly because of the bomb threats that caused them to shut down schools. That’s the best I got.
If anyone is hurt over this, then they likely have standing for a civil suit (see Alex Jones).
Criminal it’s definitely more tricky. Trump will likely get away with telling his followers to storm the capitol, so I doubt “eating cats and dogs” comes close to the same standard.
Once upon a time, admitting to something like this would have been an impeachable offense. But that’s long sailed as something Congress would fairly enforce.
Trump will likely get away with telling his followers to storm the capitol
Because he didn’t. He very carefully didn’t. And 1A protections are extremely broad and extremely strong. Pretty much anything short of “You guys, go storm the capitol right now and overturn the election!” is going to be protected speech, and he didn’t say that. He carefully avoided saying that, intentionally.
What they’ll get him on as far as the attack (if anything) will be if he was involved in planning and staging it on the back end - if for example he was coordinating with people who were directly instrumental in shifting it from a protest at the steps of the capitol to an attack on the capitol in the hours, days, or weeks beforehand. Because his speech was definitely 1A protected.
Conspiracy to start a riot.
What are the enumerated elements of that per the statute, and how did Vance violate them?
The crazy thing is: If he hadn’t admitted this, there wouldn’t have been calls for his resignation. The Republican party is fine with spreading harmful misinformation, but admitting to it is a no-go.
He broke kayfabe.
The Republican party needs to have plausible deniability. In the conservative playbook, it’s okay to repeat things that they know for a fact are untrue, or to tell a lie of omission to further their agenda, because they can always walk it back at the point in time which they are receiving blowback by saying they didn’t know it wasn’t true or that they didn’t have all the facts at hand. Assuming that the lie doesn’t manifest itself into truth or that there are enough people who care enough about the real truth to bother fact checking it at all to the point where it would necessarily generate any kind of controversy.
This was Vance saying the quiet part out loud, probably by accident, and his pivot was not convincing at all.
Make all the “calls” you want. For someone to voluntarily resign under these circumstances, they need to feel guilt/shame. I’m not sure Vance is capable of either. He will not resign.
Hopefully it drags down the whole trump campaign.
Weren’t the republicans just saying something to the effect of ‘the ballots can’t be changed this late, you have to stick with the nominated ticket’?
I still think someone explained lesbians to him and he got wildly confused.
I’m seriously considering getting an “Ohio eats pussy” patch as an Ohio lesbian
Oh no, I’m so sorry. About living in Ohio, I might.
I could almost buy that given my feelings about the mental capacity of the poster child for failing upwards, but why would he think specifically Haitian immigrants are lesbians? You know, as opposed to “liberals” or “college girls” (to quote the terrible song from that episode of Bill Nye - did you learn gay in college?) or something…
Sometimes, you are genuinely insightfully funny, and sometimes what you post makes me want to vomit.
I appreciate that level of posting. It takes a very special kind of person to strike that balance.
If that’s your jam you should hang out with some line cooks
I don’t have enough drugs to share.
Yo line cooks sell the mf drugs i know this is anecdotal but i’ve watched my expo run outside and pay a a guy not to tow his car.
I expect he’s going to say he didn’t mean that he fabricated the story, but instead meant that he “created the story” in the sense of bringing it to the media’s attention
He did say exactly that in the interview when called out. It’s in the twitter thread linked.
Towards the end.
“If I have to create stories so that the American media actually has to pay attention to the suffering of American people, then that’s what I’m going to do,” said Vance, a U.S. Senator representing Ohio.
Ironically, Vance’s attempt to point out imagined “suffering” has led to actual suffering by his own constituents.
Wow. What a horrible piece of shit. I knew he was ‘bad news’. But like. God damn. You’re a fucking moron. A perfect Trump pick for VP.
If my eyes rolled back any further I’d go blind.
It’s so disheartening that the polls are basically tied. However much they can be trusted
This fucking lie ended a conversation (that started about plumbing of all things!) between myself and my father with me screaming at him for being racist and him hanging up on me saying “Enjoy your fucking liberal life. Im hanging up now. Love you. Bye.”
As a rule, I do NOT speak politics with my family because theyre HUGE MAGAts and Im the exact opposite. But my father is one who HAS to bait me. He just…its in his fucking DNA code or something. And usually I grit my teeth through it, but I couldnt this time.
Ughhhhh this pisses me off so much because I really thought that he would snort and roll his eyes at THIS lie at least. But no. He unironically believes this shit. Its fucking dangerous.
Yeah, therapists have noted a sharp upward trend of people dealing with politically driven grief. Basically, people separating from their family members due to political differences. And it’s almost universally from liberal people cutting off their Trump-crazed parents.
This, I believe 100%. I just got assigned a new therapist and have only had one session with them so far. However, I know for a fact that this is going to be a massive topic that I need to unpack with them.
It sucks because you just know all these parents will blame “the liberal media influencing the snowflake younger generation”, rather than having any introspection.
I fear its going to make Boomers/Gen X even more radicalized than they already are, and double down on reforming schools to suit the Christian narrative.
Oh. I have relatives in the USA. Jewish and the older generation is sadly non-critical. Last family call ended where my uncle (strictly speaking, my mom’s uncle, son of my grandma’s older sister) dropped a phrase of “having to vote for someone who’ll support Israel” in such a worried tone, that I fscking couldn’t hold it. I mean, if my grandma wouldn’t try to shut me up with her Israel worship bullshit (she has always been, ahem, simple-minded and loud, and now she’s also of the age where people do not preserve a lot), could have gone better.
Trump isn’t even better for Israel, just for Netanyahu.
If it helps, realize that it’s his insecurity coming out. Don’t be mad, be sad. Can you imagine being an adult and stilling acting like an edgy teen.
I recommend disengaging immediately whenever they start to talk about politics. Hang up the phone, leave the room, etc. Tell them you won’t discuss politics with them, but other than that, don’t say a single word to them on any other topic until they agree to quit doing it. Rinse and repeat.
Sorry man. My fam and I went separate ways about a year ago due to this stuff. It’s a sickness spread by a for profit entity which is the GOP. Doesn’t feel good at all, but things got so ugly that the silence between us now is a welcome form of peace at least.
Its about time there is some accountability for spreading such falsehoods. Does Libel not apply to this, or any law? Come on, he endangered an entire group of his own constituents. They are legally here.
Unfortunately and with deep regrets, I think it’d be tough. From https://lipskylowe.com/when-are-false-accusations-of-racism-defamation/ there are four points:
False Statement about the target was stated as fact (not opinion)
Publication or communication of that statement to a third person
Fault on the part of the person making the statement amounting at least to negligence
Harm to the subject of the statement (damages)Considering how hard he’s publicly pushed the story as a true fact, I think prongs 1 and 2 have been met. Alas, I can see 3 being not reached (he checked with his constituents who claimed the story was true and a judge accepts that as sufficient due diligence).
And 4 would be the hardest - how does one prove damages (like a dollar amount) and that they were specifically caused by his comments?
It’d be hard but I thinks a case can be made by analyzing violence against the Haitian community before and after the comments. We have a date for when it was said, which can serve as our starting point for after. It might not be the easiest but its definitely within reason. On top of it all, I’m tired of this and thats by design. To so obviously be trashing and damaging these communities, but due to the law still have believable excuses. Its bullshit. We know and so do the rubes.
Agreed. While not an expert, I feel like the bar for prong 3 has been lowered since I wrote the above - the original author has confessed to making it up, but Vance continued to promote the story after this and never officially retracted it.
Prong 4 still is tough - to have standing to sue you’d have to be someone who was harmed. So likely a member of the Haitian immigrant community in Springfield (of which I am not a member) would have to be the one suing, AND would have to be able to personally demonstrate damages.
Tough, but definitely possible within reason.
Considering what else is at stake, that person would need solid legal representation.
Assuming you aren’t a member either, the most you could do is lend support to folks out there, maybe reach out and see if anyone who has suffered is interested in a lawsuit and connect them to the right legal firms and such. Which is still enough to go a long way.
It’s very similar to the concept of blood libel I think, just directed at a different group than that term usually refers to. Which, given what that kind of thing historically has led to, is extremely concerning coming from such a public figure.
People need to call it what it is, as often as needed: stochastic terrorism
Accountability? For republicans? You must be new here.
He should definitely resign from the Senate. I’m not sure if he’s legally allowed to back out of the VP nomination.
He can’t be forced to serve but it may be too late to get his name off of ballots. I’m pretty sure the rules for that vary by state, though. We’ve already then through this once this year with RFK.
This increases my gut feeling that Vance has eaten someone’s cat from about 60% to 95%.
I am 95% sure that this fucker has, at some point in his life, eaten someone’s cat.
And yet I am also 95% certain that he’s never eaten pussy.
There’s a lot of Republican politicians who I doubt have ever had consensual sex.
You think JD Vance is the kind of guy who would do something that brings pleasure to neither him, nor the couch?
“But the cat was damaging my beloved couch your honour”
Might have been RFK JR.
Oh no, JD Vance ate out RFK Jr?
Please don’t let him resign. We need him to keep making the trump campaign look even worse.
This is FAKE NEWS even though He said it! And if it’s true WHO CARES Lying ISNT against the Bible!
Sadly too real.
He didn’t create it, but he should resign anyway because he is a sack of shit.
I’ll never quit! First attempt… I’ll never leave his side! Second attempt… Oh shit this is real! Fuck that! Yeah Haitians are nice people I shouldn’t have lied! I’m sorry. I’m subjugating, quitting, resigning, whatever you want!
Oh that’s it, just the two? Yeah I’m never leaving his side! Even if Haitians eat all my cats.
