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  • It's still more chickens who still very much suffer a lot, just a little less in one specific way. It is not accurate at all to say that they don't suffer while they are alive along with suffering while being killed. It potentially worsens a lot of issue by increasing numbers. From the earlier article

    Our results indicate that, if raised in CAFOs, a shift to slower-growing Rangers may increase crowding and related welfare concerns including increased footpad dermatitis [7], jostling, conflicts and potentially infection risk [14], and thus may translate to a decrease in aggregate welfare at scale. A shift to individual better-welfare chicken breeds aims to lessen bone, heart and disease issues in present Ross birds, but even in non-CAFO production systems, slower-growing breeds may still experience other negative welfare conditions such as emotional and physical stress, disease, predation, injury and premature mortality, as well as distressing transport and slaughter practices

  • I am mixed about this. On the one hand fast-growing birds have tons of health issues and help to make the production cheaper which allows the industry to stay larger. On the other hand if consumption and production levels stays constant, the total number of chickens killed will increase. Slower growing chickens have lower slaughter weights which means you need more of them. From a study looking at the US:

    Maintaining this level of consumption entirely with a slower-growing breed would require a 44.6%–86.8% larger population of chickens and a 19.2%–27.2% higher annual slaughter rate, relative to the current demographics of primarily ‘Ross 308’ chickens that are slaughtered at a rate of 9.25 billion per year.

    https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsos.210478#d1e265

  • Not the person you originally replied to, but eating plants directly would at least be a sort of harm reduction in that case. It takes a lot more plants to raise non-human animals than to just use plants directly. This is also a big part of why the environmental impact is so high for meat, dairy, etc.

    1 kg of meat requires 2.8 kg of human-edible feed for ruminants and 3.2 for monogastrics

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211912416300013

  • science @lemmy.world

    Cows Can Use Tools. Are We Underestimating How Smart They Are?

    sentientmedia.org /cows-can-use-tools/
  • Pockets of progress can still exist within broader repression. Based on your profile, I'm going to guess you're from the US? If you want some hope:

    US Senate Passes Bill Giving Children the Right to Plant-Based Milks in Public School Lunches and this ended up getting signed into law 9 days ago. It also overturned an 80 year old provision that prohibited plant-milks from being offered without special request from doctor/parent in K-12 school lunches. (Which I never would have thought would get overturned now of all times)

    Clean energy is still booming in the U.S. despite Trump’s best efforts. Renewables still are going into place because they are just the cheapest option, and the Trump admin has had a lot of their attempts to target renewables paused in court for now. Not that it's not impacting it at all (it obviously is), but that it isn't enough to stop progress entirely

    Minnesota’s Most Populous County Implements Plant-Based-By-Default Policy for Official Meetings and Events

    NYC Set To Cut All Processed Meat In Schools, Hospitals, And Care Centers and is going to replace them with whole plant-based foods

    I can keep going. There is a lot of focus in both traditional and social media about the bad news and very little about good news. But there are people trying and when people try you always have the chance to win

    Don't stop trying

  • And this is going on during a (one day) state wide general strike in Minnesota

  • Protests in Minnesota have been going on constantly every day in multiple places, the media is just hardly reporting on it. They are not small either. People have also formed entire network to monitor ICE and make sure that people can respond fast anywhere they go

  • Voting can stop you from going backwards, but voting alone is not enough. It will not fix the mess we are in by itself. It's vote and take action not vote or take action. There is absolutely not time to wait for elections. Voting is important, but it has to be done with other action or the country will not survive

    Minnesota is also in the middle of general strike today as well. Statewide, for the first time in almost 100 years. Economic power matter, and people are starting to use their leverage there in a real meaningful way

  • Green - An environmentalist community @lemmy.ml

    Amsterdam bans fossil-fuel and meat advertising in public spaces

    nltimes.nl /2026/01/23/amsterdam-bans-fossil-fuel-meat-advertising-public-spaces
  • Green - An environmentalist community @lemmy.ml

    I found the most complete protein. It’s not meat | The most “complete” protein is probably one you’re already eating

    archive.is /qXgPx
  • United States | News & Politics @lemmy.ml

    Dairy and Meat Industries Push for Access to H-2A Farmworkers While the Trump Administration Slashes Their Pay

    sentientmedia.org /dairy-and-meat-industries-push-for-access-to-h-2a-farmworkers/
  • Green - An environmentalist community @lemmy.ml

    The Paperwork Trick Letting Factory Farms Pollute With Impunity

    sentientmedia.org /trick-letting-factory-farms-pollute/
  • Not all agriculture is equal, animal products are uniquely inefficient

    Transitioning to plant-based diets (PBDs) has the potential to reduce diet-related land use by 76%, diet-related greenhouse gas emissions by 49%, eutrophication by 49%, and green and blue water use by 21% and 14%, respectively, whilst garnering substantial health co-benefits

    [...]

    Plant-based foods have a significantly smaller footprint on the environment than animal-based foods. Even the least sustainable vegetables and cereals cause less environmental harm than the lowest impact meat and dairy products [9].

    https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/8/1614/html

  • This does does not reflect how people ate then. Evidence is growing to suggest that the per-agricultural humans ate mostly plants. It's just been harder to see until recently because bones and such are easier to spot. For instance here's one study

    Our results unequivocally demonstrate a substantial plant-based component in the diets of these hunter-gatherers. This distinct dietary pattern challenges the prevailing notion of high reliance on animal proteins among pre-agricultural human groups

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-024-02382-z

    Eating the current level of meat, dairy, etc. in the west is rather new even within the last hundred years. This new food pyramid is an acceleration of a very recent trend that has had poor health consequences

  • That difference seems a lot higher than most of the world. Were you looking at price per unit volume or price per whatever the container was? I'd be really surprised if there's a difference that high

    There is also the option of making plant-milks yourself. Price can be a lot cheaper that way by orders of magnitude. (Though may take some experimentation to get good tasting recipes, so don't necessarily judge off of the first taste)

  • It probably won't stop most people, but they'll try to do anything they can to slow things down even if it's on the margins

  • The goal isn't necessarily to change how people speak (though they would if they could), but more to make the product name on the stores shelves look less appealing to reduce sales

  • vegan @lemmy.world

    Caribou Coffee Eliminates Surcharge for Plant-Based Milk Across All US Locations

    vegconomist.com /food-and-beverage/milk-and-dairy-alternatives/caribou-coffee-eliminates-surcharge-plant-based-milk-across-800-locations/
  • United States | News & Politics @lemmy.ml

    The new food pyramid is lying to you | It’s also a contradictory mess.

    www.vox.com /future-perfect/474554/food-pyramid-dietary-guidelines-maha-protein
  • Climate @slrpnk.net

    West Hollywood Committed to Plant-Based Food. Here’s What That Looks Like So Far

    sentientmedia.org /west-hollywood-committed-to-plant-based-food/
  • He's uh claiming to be "ending the war on saturated fats" so one may want to re-evaluate. The focus on animal proteins (plant proteins get only side mentions) and animal fats is already going against what actual health officals say. For instance from the article:

    As it is, Americans are consuming protein in amounts well above the amount that is necessary to sustain health and development," Marie-Pierre St-Onge, a professor at Columbia University Nutrition, told ABC News.

  • Those are primarily just using the same the packing as they due to places that prohibit using the term "milk". The dairy industry has lobbied quite hard for those bans across the world at all levels of government. Under the belief that "oat drink" or the like sounds less appealing that "oat milk"

  • That's been the term of choice in English for the past 800+ years

    In English, the word "milk" has been used to refer to "milk-like plant juices" since 1200 CE.[11]

    Plant milks go back much further than most people realize

    Almond milk spread throughout Europe during the Middle Ages and was popular in parts of the Middle East. Recipes for almond milk in the Middle East date back to around the 13th century as it was mentioned in Muhammad bin Hasan al-Baghdadi’s cookbook Kitāb al-Ṭabīḫ (كتاب الطبيخ; The Book of Dishes), written in 1226. It was especially popular during Lent.[12][13][14][15] Soy was a plant milk used in China during the 14th century.[3][16] Soy milk use in China is first recorded in 1365.[17] In medieval England, almond milk was used in dishes such as ris alkere (a type of rice pudding)[18] and appears in the recipe collection The Forme of Cury.[19] Coconut milk (and coconut cream) are traditional ingredients in many cuisines such as in South and Southeast Asia, and are often used in curries.[20]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_milk

  • Green - An environmentalist community @lemmy.ml

    Survey: Nearly Half of Germans Now Consume Plant-Based Milk

    vegconomist.com /food-and-beverage/milk-and-dairy-alternatives/danone-survey-nearly-half-germans-consume-plant-based-milk-alternatives/
  • Animal agriculture is a massive contributor to some of the largest problems in the world


    It's at least ~15-17% of climate emissions and is enough to make us miss climate targets on its own even if fossil fuels are immediately stopped

    ~73% of the world's antibiotics go to animal agriculture, leading to antibiotic resistance diseases. It's directly attributed to at least 50% of all zoonetic diseases since 1940

    It's one the most dangerous and exploitative industries to work in. There are multiple human right watch reports on working conditions in just the US (“When We’re Dead and Buried, Our Bones Will Keep Hurting” and Blood, Sweat, and Fear). And this is not limited to the US, here's just a handful of reporting from The Guardian Revealed: exploitation of meat plant workers rife across UK and Europe, ‘The whole system is rotten’: life inside Europe’s meat industry

    The rates of factory farming globally are far higher than most people think. It's around 74% of all globally farmed land animals, and 90% of total global farmed land and marine animals. It's around ~99% for the US. The number of animals slaughtered each year is immense at ~80 billion land animals / year, >100 total animals per year. The sheer number of individuals who go through that makes the level of suffering hard to parallel

    And that's just some of the harm the industry does, but I don't want to ramble too long without talking about how to go about solving this


    There is more we as individuals can do here than we can for 90% of other issues. With the laws of supply and demand, simply reducing our collective demand makes the industry smaller. That's doable at the induvidal level: simply reducing (and ideally eliminating) our individual meat, dairy, etc. consumption can have a real impact. This is more achievable than people think. For instance, Germany has seen a 12% decline in per capita meat consumption over the last ~10 years. We don't need wait for any institutions to make changes before that can work by doing collective action

    There are also some systemic changes we can push for in the near-medium future to help make that happen faster. For instance, just making plant-based foods the default tends to increase plant-based consumption by several orders of magnitude. NYC hospitals implemented plant-based defaults and made their plant-based consumption rate go up to 51% of meals and reduced the average cost of a meal by 59 cents. If that sounds interesting to anyone there are campaigns with real successes to get more institutions and companies to implement those. There groups like the Better Food Foundation, Greener By Default, the Plant Based Treaty is running a Related Campaign, No Milk Tax which has gotten hundreds of chains to drop their plant milk up charge, among others

  • vegan @lemmy.world

    Luxury Fashion Brand Rick Owens Becomes Latest To Ban Fur

    plantbasednews.org /lifestyle/fashion/luxury-fashion-rick-owens-ban-fur/
  • Can we bring back talking about beans all the time on Lemmy? Asking for a friend who love beans (aka me)

  • Green - An environmentalist community @lemmy.ml

    Kansas Greenlights Mega Feedlot in “Sensitive” Water Area

    sentientmedia.org /kansas-greenlights-mega-feedlot/
  • Videos @lemmy.world

    The ghost farms choking Greece’s coastline

  • politics @lemmy.world

    In Blow to Trump, Indiana Rejects GOP Gerrymander

    www.democracydocket.com /news-alerts/in-blow-to-trump-indiana-rejects-gop-gerrymander/
  • vegan @lemmy.world

    Minnesota’s Most Populous County Implements Plant-Based-By-Default Policy for Official Meetings and Events

    vegconomist.com /gastronomy-food-service/food-service/minnesotas-most-populous-county-implements-plant-based-default-policy-official-meetings-events/
  • Don't worry there's still plenty of selective breeding to make sure chickens grow fast at the expense of their health. Fast-growing chicken make up over ~95% of all globally farmed chicken (or higher depending on how you defined fast-growing)

  • Green - An environmentalist community @lemmy.ml

    Georgia Communities Are Pushing Back Against Big Chicken

    sentientmedia.org /georgia-communities-pushing-back-against-big-chicken/
  • United States | News & Politics @lemmy.ml

    Poultry Plants Consistently Violate Salmonella Standards, Report Finds

    civileats.com /2025/11/03/poultry-plants-consistently-violate-salmonella-standards-report-finds/
  • Green - An environmentalist community @lemmy.ml

    Lidl Calls For Mandatory Reporting on Plant-Based Targets To 'Level The Playing Field'

    plantbasednews.org /news/economics/lidl-calls-for-plant-based-targets/
  • United States | News & Politics @midwest.social

    Heat Exhaustion, Amputated Fingers, Crushed Limbs: The Hidden Cost of American Turkey

    sentientmedia.org /the-hidden-cost-of-american-turkey/
  • United States | News & Politics @lemmy.ml

    US Senate Passes Bill Giving Children the Right to Plant-Based Milks in Public School Lunches

    vegconomist.com /politics-law/us-senate-passes-bill-giving-children-right-plant-based-milks-public-school-lunches/