I don’t think it’s funny, in general, that Teslas are killing people. I do think it’s funny when they kill the kind of guys Dril is tweeting about here, as long as those guys don’t take someone with them.
I dunno, one of the people killed was a child.
Yes, and that’s not funny.
Are you crying over Romanovs then?
What does that have to do with anything at all?
These weren’t the fucking Romanovs dickhead
Not funny doesn’t equate not necessary, nor sad
Having a chud dad does not make you deserve death. Can’t believe this needs to be said, Jesus.
Excuse me?
At the same time, the vehicle’s electric-powered door handles became inoperable once the battery system caught fire, preventing the two from getting out or rescuers getting in
How many times does this have to happen!
It’s so ridiculous to have the interior handles not unlock when the door has no power.
Look, sure… if you have the doors default to unlocked then you can escape a life-threatening situation.
But if you have the doors default to locked then nobody can get into your car and take your stuff.
So like, are you really gonna value your life more than your stuff? That wouldn’t be very tech libertarian of you.
I know you’re doing a bit, but I did say “interior handles” for exactly that reason. There’s no reason you can’t make them different, right?
That sounds like it would increase production costs.
If the market demands it, surely Tesla will bear the expense.
at least some Tesla models do have manual door actuators. You have to punch out the door speaker panel and grab them from in therei thought it was in the glove box
They both screamed as they frantically searched for the actuators, never having confirmed where they were, or if they ever existed at all.
“We fixed the issue. And by that, we mean that every Tesla now comes with a complimentary glass breaker on your keychain.”
In all seriousness though that would actually be better than what they’re doing, which is nothing.
Cars should have door handles that don’t require electricity.
I read the article and it’s incredible how much disrespect the divorced dad gets by omission.
“Beloved honors student son… and the dad.” “My son was always smiling, laughing; he had an aura about him.” “Oh yeah and btw the dad was “reportedly” pursuing a doctorate’s degree.”
Both the mom and the reporter seem to hold the divorced dad partially responsible for buying a Tesla in the first place lmao. Still hope they win that lawsuit, but I doubt they’ll ever make the cars safer in the USA unless they’re legally obligated to.
I mean maybe don’t let your stupid bazinga car drive for you and you won’t drive into a tree and kill yourself and your child I disrespect the man also
Honestly the only funny part of this whole thing is the disrespect, he earned it.
Also getting a PhD that’s for loser nerds lol you’ll never get a job with that degree
still love the truckIn the model X the stupid falcon wing doors have their emergency release cable hidden behind the speaker screen. The screen is not easy to remove and there’s nothing in the car indicating it’s there. I had to look online how to escape this piece of shit if it caught on fire. I don’t know why these things are allowed on the road.
“Please complete the following captcha if you’d like to survive your crash” type vehicle
I’m sure it would be easier to get out of the trunk since manual latches are (should be?) federally mandated
Isn’t the trunk in the front in these ones?
with temperatures that get so hot, they can literally pulverize a person’s bones.
is this a regional use of the word “pulverize” I’m not familiar with? Never heard it used when referring to incineration style damage.
Pulver in swedish means powder (i think in german too). So i’d assume the literal meaning of pulverize just means turn to dust or powder.
Same in Spanish (polvo) I’d assume it’s probably a common etymological root across some European languages
As far as I can tell they’re all from the Latin pulver which means “powder” or “dust”
Perhaps the author knows “pulverize” means “reduce to dust/small pieces” but not that it implies blunt force trauma and not something like being burned to ash. Maybe they asked a chatbot for a word meaning to reduce to small pieces or something? I can’t imagine it would be AI generated directly or through an edit pass, since if anything that kind of generation would be more likely to keep the word with the sort of context its usually in without incorrectly matching part of its meaning, although maybe the context being a car crash made a chatbot short out and go “car crash -> impact -> pulverise” in an inappropriate clause.
Imagine how easy it would be for Melon to assassinate people with ‘accidents’ like this
Michael Hastings should write a story about it. oh wait
Do Know of any good sources about his death? I didn’t know about him but would like to read more than a Wikipedia article/AP news.
I’m sorry, I don’t have a good breakdown on it. I hope another user can help
Don’t get in a helicopter, small plane, submarine, tesla.
My ex and I actually have a rule that our daughter is never allowed in a Tesla.
Just because it’s self-driving doesn’t mean it won’t drive drunk.
People trusting teslas self driving after it’s consistent issues and Elon bragging about how they’re doing it as cheap as possible is astonishing
People trusting Tesla to successfully deliver on any of Elon’s promises after it consistently fails to is astonishing.
Self driving was supposedly going to be ready by something like 2016. 10 years later teslas can drive themselves into trees.
(rant incoming I didn’t mean to direct all this at you specifically lol but here I go pressing reply anyway)
Telsas are especially ridiculous for this because they sold this “auto pilot” lie but I did a bit of a deep dive into “driver aids” and in particular the stuff that is mandated in new cars by law, and it is fucking terrifying.
Any laws mandating complex driver aid stuff are looking like regulatory capture artifacts to me now. The tech isn’t ready, it isn’t reliable and there are regular cars from makers you would normally trust, that have a habit of trying to swerve the cars into crash barriers.
I’m talking about the shit that’s supposed to stop you from accidentally leaving your lane, or detecting a potential collision and slowing down, or braking distance maintenance stuff. Almost none of it is reliable enough to trust your life to without paying even closer attention than you need to just to drive a car normally. (Read: it becomes a distraction at best)
Euro, Asian, American, all makers from all regulatory regions have issues with one or more or all of their driver aids according to the studies I read.
I was chatting with neighbours recently and they all turn that shit off when they get in the car. if they can. the ones who can’t or dont know how just drive terrified.
This stuff breaks the cybernetic loop (operator <—> machine, continuous exchange of data) of driving which we all took for granted and don’t understand the value of. Its so dangerous. The way we on average have forgotten how to use computers and are “just along for the ride” as far as our personal tech devices go, is rapidly becoming true also for hurling multi ton machines down roads at high speed with us inside them.
I’ve never owned a car with the type of driver “aid” you’re talking about. It’s rare that I drive (or even get driven by something other than a bus or train), even, but I won’t deny I’ve got a dumb car that doesn’t try to steer me into trees - it’s basically all on me if I crash.
There are automotive technologies that have definitely made my driving “safer”: I’ve felt ABS kick in when I suddenly hit the brakes way too hard because I was dumb enough to think that I can devote less complete attention to my surroundings. I wouldn’t have had the muscle memory to pump the brakes myself. Being able to stop faster because a computer knew to pump the brakes for me, I have no doubt, has prevented me from an accident.
The idea that I could be so distracted as to be saved from an accident by “lane assist” technology is terrifying.
Having had plenty of cars nearly buzz me on my bike, I’m absolutely certain that when I drive I’m paying far more attention than way too many people do, though.
(again this one went off the rails. not a rant at you obviously lol. this topic gets me fired up, clearly)
Yeah the most tech I’ve had in a personal car is basic airbags, ABS, power steering, etc. I like more and better mechanical safety mechanisms, but I don’t want to drive-by-wire and have a servo system running the steering or other important controls.
Properly functioning lane assist probably saves a lot of lives due to driver fatigue. I see people wander out of their lanes to a degree that makes me go “okay prepare for a crash” a few times a year on highways.
What concerns me perhaps more than anything is that even the most disinterested driver behind the wheel of a 20 year old car becomes a critical part of the control loop for the whole machine. This sounds scary, but the whole system tends to work pretty well so long as the driver has a good basic education in driving and the risks of distracted and fatigued driving. The human part of the system extends its senses to absorb what it reads from the car and the mind becomes to one extent or another, “tasked” with the job of becoming the eyes and brain of the whole mechanical system.
As you remove direct control and feedback from the machine the driver stops being the organic mediating part of the whole system and the various ways this starts to make everything more dangerous are not easy to quantify at least for a lay person like me.
An illustrative part of the problem though, keeping with lane assist, is that these technologies are training and conditioning drivers that there is a much larger margin of error for distraction.
If you are a fresh driver and you’re driving a car that catches you and guides you back into your lane while you turn in your seat to chat to your friends on the back seat, and that is all you know, then in aggregate you are creating the conditions for more distracted driving accidents rather than reducing the severity of the existing rate of distracted driving accidents.
These assists ostensibly free up mental space so you can be an even better driver, more capable of paying attention to what matters, but since we are removing people from the machine they don’t re-allocate their attention to other aspects of managing the vehicle, they use it to do stupid human shit.
That same fresh driver also hasn’t learned to notice other people being inattentive. It becomes a social problem too.
Suddenly you find yourself in the driver’s seat of the car. You don’t even have to reach over to grab the wheel and avert disaster. Instead you watch the car drive you and your son into a tree. Because you are just along for the ride. You aren’t really responsible anymore on a basic mechanical level.
I imagine you’ve noticed the little lights on wing mirrors now that show whether the car has detected a vehicle alongside or in their blindspot? I doubt they work as well for bikes as they do other cars.
Even if they do, a driver who has grown up expecting them to work isn’t going to also perform shoulder and mirror checks before merging.
You already know how many people never bothered checking even when it was just an act of faith that they were clear to move over. Now you’ve got people looking at a little light or relying on a buzz in the steering wheel or whatever, instead of turning their fucking head.
What happens when there’s bird shit on the light or on the sensor? All they had to do was turn their fucking head and now they’ve killed someone. Thanks for the driver assistance.
People blame covid and pandemic measures for the current state of driver ability etc but personally I think its this shit I’m describing.
The US navy has studied cybernetics for a really long time, thats the thing with a person becoming a part of the mechanical system. There’s no good rational excuse for us to be making this massive error as a society, but we won’t avoid it thanks to mechanisms like regulatory capture. It is unavoidable that this will get worse.
Passengers should be in the passenger seat and/or on public transport not behind the wheel. ;-;
not a rant at you
Even without the disclaimers, I don’t think I’d have taken either of these as directed at me, though I’m sure I’ve misinterpreted people in that way. S’all good.
power steering
Haha, holy shit, I’ve briefly had a car without power steering. Fucking nightmare. Shit’s not safe. Having my rear brakes low level leaking brake fluid was better than that, and that was incredibly bad.
Properly functioning lane assist probably saves a lot of lives due to driver fatigue.
On the one hand, I’m sure it has prevented accidents, but this really just reinforces my terror - if someone can’t recognize when they’re so fatigued that they’re relying on lane assist technology to keep them from crashing, they’re way beyond the point where it’s unsafe to be driving.
free up mental space
they don’t re-allocate their attention to other aspects of managing the vehicle
the little lights on wing mirrors now
I thought those were a positive development previously, even if they aren’t something I regularly “benefit” from. Thanks for scaring me out of that train of thought.
I doubt they work as well for bikes
Repeatedly.
I thought those were a positive development previously, even if they aren’t something I regularly “benefit” from. Thanks for scaring me out of that train of thought.
I’m sure in a vacuum and sufficiently engineered they are a generally positive development in the short term at least. I don’t remember specifically reading horror stories about them or anything, though it sounds like you can attest to them being insufficient to avoid wiping out bikes so I figure they’re questionable at best.
They’re just sort of emblematic of a broader issue where tech-first “solutions” for increasingly marginal problems are probably leading to a dangerous infantilization of the population, with questionable benefits, especially in the long run, given how unreliable our regulators are and our system’s propensity to only optimise for the short term.
Even without the disclaimers, I don’t think I’d have taken either of these as directed at me, though I’m sure I’ve misinterpreted people in that way. S’all good.
Yea I don’t remember you ever misinterpreting me like that but it happens pretty regularly in general when I don’t clarify my intent or w/e, which is understandable.
I literally was discussing this with some relatives a day or so ago. I had to pull over on a highway twice when driving my mum’s car. Once to turn off the auto high-beams and once to turn off the lane assist that tried to steer me into roadworks (it followed the solid line not the dotted line)
I’m glad you survived the machines’ assassination attempt on you. It’s ridiculous.
Eventually, my car from 2010 is going to bite the dust and I’m going to have to get a newer one and I’m preemptively pissed about it. I’ve got an ebike and use it when I can, but I live somewhere that it isn’t practical to use for all transportation and I need a car, unfortunately. 2008-2014 or so is the technological sweet spot for me: my car has power windows, remote start for when it’s 15° outside, and Bluetooth for my music. It also has no screens, no “assistive technology,” all analog controls, and can be worked on by a normal mechanic without special software. It sucks so much that all this shitty tech that makes cars less safe to drive and harder to use/work on is now mandatory. On the other hand, my wife drives an ancient Toyota pick up truck that’s older than I am, and it doesn’t even have power steering. It’s also a nightmare to drive, but one of a different kind (though you can disassemble the whole thing with a screwdriver and socket wrench, which is neat).
Oh and of course mostly these accidents get swept under the rug.
Sometimes I feel like Tesla has become the defacto whipping boy for this stuff.
I suspect there will be a massive industry changing scandal related to this in the next handful of years, probably not even in America and probably not even Tesla related.
It was probably fake but there was some reddit post that got passed around here about some dad getting a DUI with his son the car because he was using self driving.
Wonder if this is the same guy.
I’ve seen more than enough stories of people using self driving while it’s not just the car that’s drunk to believe that it’s a thing which has repeatedly happened. It doesn’t need to be true in this case for trusting a Tesla to be a terrible idea.
Knew a guy like a decade ago who loved to gloat about getting drunk at the bar, using self drive, falling asleep, and waking up in his driveway
a decade ago
Their bar-to-home route might’ve been one of the only routes that a Tesla could reliably manage at the time, and even then it’s amazing it managed that reliably enough for this story not to end with the last time not waking up.
I hate this so much I hate that parents are just trying to go through life and do their best and we won’t do the bare minimum to stop
the world becomingcapitalists from making the world an incrementally and unpredictably more dangerous place at every scale.Its so easy to be smug and victim blame and “still love the car tho” etc. But I can’t do it anymore.
Why is self-driving in scare quotes? it did drive itself, right into a tree
because tesla’s “self-driving” isn’t what any reasonable person thinks self-driving means
Its actually Full Self Driving
just like the holy roman empire
vaxxed?
Working as designed then…
Final Destination-ass scenario.
