I see nothing wrong with this nutritional chart
Protection against other crystals lol
Top tier shitpost
Attracts badgers, you say?
One day at work, I found out a work friend actually believed the whole “crystal energy” thing.
Since she was the first person I had ever met who actually admitted to that, I wanted to know more about what her specific beliefs about them were.
At first she was super bubbly about it, on par with her personality. But then as I asked a couple common sense questions about why science doesnt find anything measurable, and first she got hostile and mad that I would dare question another person’s beliefs, but when I explained I was genuinely curious and had no interest in changing her beliefs she just kind of broke down because nobody ever takes her seriously or believes her about her “personal healing journey”
The way I see it, it’s for adults who like pretty rocks, but can’t come to terms with the fact that they like something “childish” (because for some reason a lot of adults call a rock collection cringe or childish or dumb, but clearly they’ve never met a geologist) so instead of having a pretty rock and mineral collection, they have “healing crystals”, and eventually it just becomes kind of like part of their identity the way a religion is.
I will however, 100% giggle at their expense with my wife, later. Because anyone who buys $50 polished selenite
drink coaster“charging plate”, and a $200 brass pyramid to “recharge” their $50 “healing quartz wand” while refusing to listen to real science deserves to be giggled at.I will however, 100% giggle at their expense with my wife, later. Because anyone who buys $50 polished selenite drink coaster “charging plate”, and a $200 brass pyramid to “recharge” their $50 “healing quartz wand” while refusing to listen to real science deserves to be giggled at.
I mean, humans do all sorts of wierd, irrational, ritualistic things. IMO, whatever floats your boat.
Did you buy your wife a diamond ring? Or at least gold? :P
I think this is the perfect response haha. Ppl find comfort where they can in the world, even if it looks a little whacky. So long as it’s not hurting anyone, let them have their whacky
humans do all sorts of weird, irrational, ritualistic things
lil private giggles about it seem fairly unobjectionable
Wait, so you’re telling that to not feel ashamed of liking rocks for how they look, they believe silly things about them?
In many circumstances the placebo effect is superior to common medical environments. I was completely dismissive of homeopathy until I came to understand its actual appeal. Obviously there is no proven physical mechanism of the substance itself; the water is just part of the ritual. The ritual of being cared for and being paid special attention to by another person who cares that you get better and can do nothing for you but give you that attention you need is 100% placebo oriented medicine and 0% drug.
I was dismissive about crystals as well, but the reality is that if you are aware of them they are in some way altering your awareness by being present. The way they alter your awareness could be as simple as noticing an interesting looking stone, a reminder that there is a vast unknown and many others trying to find their way as you are, or a meditation weight and focus. I don’t know about crystal effects on vibrations other than to know that mass is literally energy and different compositions of molecular structures could have effects on the immediate environment beyond our ability to yet measure. I’m most comfortable saying that crystals definitely have some effect, definitely have assisted others in their healing journeys in some form or another, and beyond that I do not know many specifics.
Lol those losers at cern wasted hundreds of millions of dollars to find out that there aren’t frequencies that alter your energy while I only spent 36 dollars.
Get real
“I did my research”
Meh. Placebos affect people so, I let them have it.
Edit: obviously not to the detriment of real remedies. Calmate
If it “makes me feel better”, fine.
If it “makes it so I’m not contagious and won’t give you Covid”, no.
My mom died of cancer a few months ago because she was convinced that a combination of sunlight’s natural vibrational frequency and some expensive “medical” herbal teas would cure her. Placebos affect people, but if you let them believe that they’re an alternative to actual science and medicine, then they’ll use them as such.
convinced that a combination of sunlight’s natural vibrational frequency
Reading this made my brain hurt. I’m so sorry for your loss.
you really haven’t thought this through, have you?
Not only does this encourage scammers to scam people, which is itself obviously bad, but it also means that some people will buy these things instead of getting actual treatment.
If people are getting their medical advice from a meme post in a meme community on a link aggregator on the Internet, I doubt there is much that actual science, education, and common sense can do to help.
Selling people fake remedies is always going to be to the detriment of real remedies unless they are targeted exclusively at conditions for which there are no real remedies.
Furthermore, the real issue isn’t about “letting people have their crystals”, it’s about letting people sell fake remedies, something that should be banned unconditionally. Profiting off of pretending to help people while not helping them is socially malignant.
OP is phrased in terms of attacking consumers because the poster is an idiot, as made evident by their absurd and pandering rhetorical tact.
People will shit on crystals believers in one breath and tell people to ‘respect other’s religion’ in another or gloat about their MBTI assessment. The cognitive dissonance is unreal.
I don’t believe in either but at least I’m consistent. If you’re not, then you’re just finding an excuse to hate on a hobby that primarily attracts women.
This is the same thing that happens to anything that women likes: pumpkin spice lattes, uggs, horoscopes, tarot cards, rose, etc. It’s seen as trivial and stupid no matter how banal the average person’s interest are regardless of gender.
Pro tip: the difference between faith healers and organized religions and belief systems is that, by and large, priests do not seek out people who are vulnerable, charge them three figures per psychic session, and then try to upsell crystals that do nothing on top of it. You’ll never hear someone say “respect their religion” in regards to Scientology.
Also
anything that women like
Bro, have you seen how much people shit on sports, beer, and other stereotypically masculine interests? People shit on basic things because they’re basic and some people use them as a substitute for a personality, not because women like them.
is that, by and large, priests do not seek out people who are vulnerable
What are you talking about, every organized religion does this. If people weren’t vulnerable to being deceived, there wouldn’t be any religious institutions. And I’ll spare you the longwinded rant about the pressure to tithe other than to say that it exists and it’s extremely aggressive.
Also, you’re very much proving their point unintentionally. Quote from the first sentence in the wikipedia article for the slang term ‘basic’ :
Basic is a slang term in American popular culture used pejoratively to describe middle class white people, especially women, who are perceived to prefer mainstream products, trends, and music.
You’re using a gendered insult to dismiss their claims of bias based on gender lines. I usually try to be more constructive than this but wow are you off the mark here.
Religion panders to the vulnerable, that I’ll grant you. But no major organized religion I’m aware of, apart from scientology, actively tries to soak people. (And before you say it, the collection plate does not count.) We respect people’s beliefs as long as the people who tell them to believe them aren’t doing so because they know the things they’re peddling are total bunk and just want vulnerable people’s money.
Second of all, I wasn’t even aware that “basic” was a gendered insult. What I meant was that people make fun of mainstream things because they’re mainstream, and have since time immemorial, and that people who follow whatever the mainstream believes in lieu of having a personality deserve to be mocked.
But no major organized religion I’m aware of, apart from scientology, actively tries to soak people. (And before you say it, the collection plate does not count.)
We used to call them “tv preachers”. They’d be on all the time with a phone number on the screen to call and donate money. Over time they became “mainstream” that millions now follow and now they’re loosely called “Evangelicals”. They’re nominally “Christian”, functionally “Protestant” but most do not follow a particular established denomination.
Make no mistake, the “soaking” is central to that form of “Christianity”.
Respecting others’ religions and crystals - I’d only recommend not using the fact they believe in things that don’t exist against them. No need to indulge them. No need to do things differently for their benefit.
MBTI - in the workplace it’s pretty low value and low predictive power. Testing is unreliable. It’s easy to hit whatever set of letters you think are desired in your workplace with a little practice. In groups of MBTI fans it seems more useful, but those groups try very hard to place themselves into correct categories, and it does predict useful dynamics in interactions between people of different MBTI types.
Hobbies that attract women - I don’t think that’s pertinent, where you see more women into crystals you see men more likely to believe in magic devices for cars.
Belief in magic is pretty even between the genders and pretty common
Belief in magic is pretty even between the genders and pretty common
I was interested and looked up some studies. There is a gender gap in spiritual believe and women tend to be more spiritual, including believing in magic. So OPs statement in that regards holds.
Just to be clear, I’m not saying everything that op wrote is correct or that I agree, but the starting point they used, that women tend to belive in magical stuff more often, seems to be true.
Have you considered that there’s more than one person on the internet? One person can say one thing and another person say the opposite and no one has been a hypocrite.
Anyway, I’d say we should respect people’s right to practice what they want, but we can still make fun of it. I probably would say don’t do it to their face, but that’s up to you.
This concept is just as dangerous as the right wing claiming LHC will open black holes. There’s an implication here that just as soon as LHC was turned on it suddenly gathered information about every unknown Force, particle, and energy in the universe.
The Large hadron collider took 4 years to confirm the higgs boson; as of today it is only on its third data collection run. LHC is hardly a silver bullet.
There is scientific evidence that backs crystals, it’s called the placebo effect.
So, you’re wrong.
Science doesn’t back the crystals, it backs the placebo effect.
“Science doesn’t back medical injections, it backs the body’s immune response.”
I’m pretty sure the anti matter “crystals” it produces can alter one’s “frequencies” quite well. If we had enough of the stuff. In the mean time eating bananas is a good substitute.
The premise is flawed. The LHC is looking for specific things, and it takes forever-and-a-day just to look much less decide whether the-thing-being-searched-for is there.
The premise here is that the LHC found All That Is, and it didn’t find [magical-rock-mystery-waves] so pfffttthh stupid hippies.
Exactly. LHC also didn’t find that breathing air is good for you. I’m still not going to stop.
I forget the YouTube channel name now, but I recall someone testing some of the cleansing bracelets, with “energy” and “healing” powers…
It turned out that the energy was mostly in the form of radioactive materials, and the only thing you would be healed from by wearing it, was your continued life.
Crystals, on the other hand, are mostly just inert and harmless. So if someone wants to keep a “healing” crystal or whatever on them or put it in their office or something, okay sure. It won’t do what it claims to, but it won’t hurt you.
But if I see someone wearing a cleansing bracelet, I’m going to reach for my Hazmat suit (since I don’t own one, I’m just going to keep a safe distance from the person willingly carrying around what is very likely to be radioactive material), and reevaluate my association with anyone willing to buy such nonsense with absolutely no understanding that it’s probably harmful.
I forget the radioactive material used. From what I recall, it’s not “drop and run” dangerous, but prolonged exposure is probably going to have some unpleasant side effects… Kind of like radon (it wasn’t radon… Radon is a gas with an extremely short half life IIRC, but it can be dangerous to have long term exposure - many years, and it’s in most homes… Buy a radon sensor folks, they’re not much more expensive than a good smoke detector).
Crystals maybe help in the same way placebos do. That’s the most I would admit about such stuff.
I agree. Placebos can help too.
Fact is, for it to work as a placebo, you need to believe it will work.
I’ve had a few coworkers who had stuff like crystals on their desk because their partner believed in it. I understand why that stuff happens, the believer who (supposedly) cares about your well-being, gets benefit from it, and wants you to have the same or similar benefits from the same. But since they’re doing it to placate their partner and don’t personally believe, it’s just a rock on their desk.
Fact is, for it to work as a placebo, you need to believe it will work.
What’s even wilder is you don’t have to consciously believe it, you can unconsciously believe it and it will still work! Doctors will routinely prescribe placebos and be very open about the fact that it’s just a placebo, that there is no chemical compound in the medication.
And yet, the act of taking a pill from a bottle seems to trigger something. Recent research has actually identified part of this mechanism in rat brains. There really is a part of the brain that can be tricked into releasing a set of chemicals that relieve pain, reduce inflammation and create better moods. Someday we might have a placebo pill that actually has medication in it. Wildly convoluted how the brain works.
Placebos is measurement error, not effectiveness. People that believe something works are more likely to report improvements when taking that medication irrespective of its effectiveness. Placebo effect is just misreporting, noise or unaccounted phenomena. It’s literally how we define something doesn’t work.
Placebos don’t work. It’s a common misconception. Placebo effect is the error in measuring not any actual effect. It’s literally the barrier we use to define effective and non effective.
Anyone claiming they have something that provides a placebo effect to help is fraudulent or ignorant.
In the UK it is illegal to proscribe placebos. Because they don’t work.
I’m having a hard time with this. We don’t know what we don’t know and it takes a lot of undeserved confidence to say anything is for sure. Fermilab never found the god particle and we’re pretty sure that exists. I’m not saying it’s true, but you guys are being a little over confident. Think about all of the theories and hypothesis that have been altered or completely changed over time.
Fermilab never found the god particle and we’re pretty sure that exists.
The “God particle” is the Higgs boson. They found it with the LHC.
Think about all of the theories and hypothesis that have been altered or completely changed over time.
This tells me you don’t just not know how science works; you don’t understand what science is.
Well this is kind of funny that this came up soon after our convo:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a61937459/scientists-found-dark-electrons-in-solid-matter/
Honestly though?
At least it keeps the gullible from causing real trouble elsewhere.
I dunno if it does.
A lot of these people go around smashing random rocks to uncover stuff they clearly plan to sell.
To sell them, they’ll likely promote crystal healing and such and anti science, and of course be anti vax
Also, all the scientists “accidentally” making the same mistake as the BBC proves that intelligence doesn’t necessitate maturity 😉
What’s immature about it? Penis fencing is a respectable mating ritual among flat worms.
I thought this thumbnail was two pugs at first…
Not to defend these things, I also don’t think they work, but the simplest argument is that they work on a metaphysical frequency/energy/whatever, so a physical instrument wouldn’t be able to detect it.
what do you mean by metaphysical
Metaphysical means that it’s beyond the bounds of normal physics - stuff like ghosts, spirits, religious stuff, etc. Basically, you can cover a lot of hokey with it.
Metaphysical is a fun woo woo word, because one definition of it is basically as you have said, a synonym for supernatural (ie, physically impossible), whereas the other definition of it relates to metaphysics, the philosophical approaches to understand the rules that govern or give rise to the rules/laws of physics.
So you have one contextual usage that means ‘weird unexplained spooky impossible nonsense’, and another that means, ‘logical structures that seek to explain the nature of reality as understood empirically, often by academics.’
Thus its a perfect word for mystical woo people who love to conflate different contextual meanings of words and pretend they are not doing that.
Metaphysical is a fun woo woo word
It’s also a bedrock concept in philosophy. How-we-know-what-we-know, etc.
I mean, it can be two things, but c’mon.
… You are not understanding me. It seems you stopped reading at the part you quoted and disregarded the rest of what I wrote. Let me expand:
In one context, in one kind of usage, ‘metaphysical’ is an adjective referring to a very technical outline or system of logical reasoning.
In another context, in another kind of usage, it is a vague catch all term for fantastic things that seem to defy logic and reason.
Because these two valid but nearly opposite meanings of the word can be switched out, or conflated, woo woo peddlers love to use this term, as it easily convinces those who do not understand that is what they are doing, and sounds grand, wise or profound.
Its the same with ‘energy’ and ‘frequency’. Both of these terms have valid definitions that are highly specific and empirical in a scientific context, but also have commonly used, colloquial meanings which basically indicate a vague notion of pleasantness or unpleasantness, or maybe enlightened vs unenlightened.
Woo woo peddlers also love to use these words and conflate their two different meanings.
Most people think that the phrase ‘good/bad vibes’ means that you feel good or bad about a person or situation’s attributes, qualities or what not.
But a person who has been listening to too much woo woo peddlers will believe that there is some kind of actual, literally real, energy or frequency surrounding or exuding from a person or situation they find pleasant or unpleasant, because they are so used to the empirical/scientific concept being totally equated to the whimsical concept that they do not understand that there even are two distinct meanings.
The point I am making is not that metaphysical is a woo woo word that means nothing.
The point I am making is that there are many terms with nearly contradictory meanings, where one is associated with objective, ordered, rational, logical, complex concepts that can be studied and meaningfully argued over, and another meaning that is fantastical, defies empiricism or logic, and is highly subjective.
These terms are woo woo terms not because they mean nothing, but because they are often used by woo woo peddlers who jump back and forth between these different meanings to confuse people.
Quantum is another one. So is ‘AI’, at this point.
That makes sense, I get that you’re arguing a word is being misused or appropriated for unhelpful uses.
In one context, in one kind of usage, ‘metaphysical’ is an adjective referring to a very technical outline or system of logical reasoning. In another context, in another kind of usage, it is a vague catch all term for fantastic things that seem to defy logic and reason. Because these two valid but nearly opposite meanings of the word can be switched out, or conflated, woo woo peddlers love to use this term, as it easily convinces those who do not understand that is what they are doing, and sounds grand, wise or profound.
I just disagree that we know what metaphysics is beyond a shared understanding of a basic framework. “It’s what organizes all physical matter” is a terrible definition, but let’s use it for a second.
If I’m Joe Woo Woo and I say “metaphysically, these a-here crystals will affect your monkey chakras beneficially”, you’d argue they’ve misused the word ‘metaphysics’ in that reading. I’m saying that the woo woo brand of crystals is still following “what organizes all physical matter” and we’re not misusing the term.
What we’re really talking about is “there’s no physical evidence that the woo woo crystals beneficializes the monkey chakras”. And we couldn’t find evidence, because it’s pre-physical evidence.
I agree making a “Quantum Fire Pit” or an “‘AI-based’ Sandwich” is a gross misuse of terminology, but those are different from a pre-physical framework. You have to already be in the physical world to have quanta, to have AI.
Maybe another way to say it is “Sometimes, metaphysics is woo woo.”
Maybe a more decent definition of a metaphysical theory would be:
The rules which give rise to a world which we can describe in more detail with other, more specific rules.
Or from another angle:
The rules which are followed by all of the rules of physics.
‘What organizes all physical matter’ is just a definition of physics, without the meta.
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I think you have not had much exposure to more successful woo woo peddlers, and you’re missing still the key point I am making of conflating meanings of a word.
Its more than just using the word in a vacuous or spurious sense, as with your ‘metaphysically’ example.
It doesn’t really add any meaning whatsoever to just throw ‘metaphysically’ in front of the rest of that sentence (with your definition of metaphysically), beyond ‘whoah, fancy word.’
You can just throw on fancy sounding words to a sentence or concept, but I am talking about a different and more insidious manipulation tactic.
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Repetitive conflation of words with multiple meanings breaks down an ignorant audiences ability to understand that they are being lied to by making it unclear that different definitions are in fact different.
Its using a word with meaning A, in a sentence, then in sentence 3 you use meaning B, then in sentence 4 you use meaning A, so on and so on, such that an uniformed or ignorant person who has only heard this word a few times or didn’t pay attention in school is functionally now being educated by woo woo peddler such that they now think the word has a kind of nebulous melding of meaning A and meaning B, and that this is the singular undifferentiated meaning, when in fact this is not the case, there are two distinct, context and domain specific meanings represented by the same word.
You could conceivably do that with the word ‘nuclear’, by switching between the phrase ‘nuclear family’ and ‘nuclear energy’ to the point that, in a long monologue, you might be able confuse some people into thinking that there is a literal subatomic nuclear strong force holding together families, or that quarks and electrons literally have feelings toward other quarks and electrons in their family/atomic unit.
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Its basically the kind of phenomenon where you can tell that someone does not actually know what a word means, that they never looked up its definition and instead just read or heard it, assumed its meaning based on context, and just carried on using this word, usually wildly incorrectly, because they do not actually know what it means.
It creates an unconscious cognitive dissonance that collapses painfully if one tries to actually suss out what the word actually means, which heavily biases the woo afflicted person toward not attempting to do that.
Woo woo peddlers are successful when they can basically brainwash a person into believing an entire alternate worldview, and basically always this worldview is incoherent, contradictory, that ultimately relies on any cognitive dissonance being reconciled by the woo woo peddler.
The point is to basically brainwash ignorant or desperate people into a whole lifestyle of mystical nonsense where the ultimate authority, source of comfort, who you become dependent on, answerer of questions, arbitrator of disputes, is the woo woo peddler.
materialism > metaphysics
The frequencies don’t have to be new so much as understood.
NASA has concluded electromagnetic frequencies are actively healthy for humans, specifically promoting neural tissue regeneration, so try not to unilaterally dismiss everything crystal hippies say.
babies, bathwater, all that.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20030075722
NASA’s doing research right now with tvmf to develop cartilage regeneration as well.
https://technology.nasa.gov/patent/MSC-TOPS-96
throwing a magnet bracelet on isn’t going to cure cancer, but magnetism has clinically significant effects on many basic physiological processes like the circadian rhythm and that’s why it keeps being studied.
Important point, this wasn’t electromagnetic radiation, this was straight electric fields from electrodes.
nope, this study specifically focuses on the neuronal regenerative effects of electromagnetic fields, not simple voltage:
“The present investigation details the development of model systems for growing two- and three-dimensional human neural progenitor cells within a culture medium facilitated by a time-varying electromagnetic field (TVEMF).”
The study is interesting and informative about fundamental biological effects of magnetism, for anyone who wants to read it.
Yes, it’s specifically oscillating fields, but it’s not the kind of electromagnetic field you’d get from a crystal lamp, a magnet bracelet, or even a WiFi router.
phew, good thing nobody made any of those claims.
what are you talking about?
NASA is very specifically studying and documenting clinically significant physiological effects of low-amplitude pulsed electromagnetic fields.
crystals and magnet bracelets don’t emit electromagnetic fields at all, and NASA isn’t claiming they do.
why are you replying to me with arguments against your own false assumptions?
neither my comments nor NASA’s studies have anything to do with what you’re talking about.
What? That’s the whole meme!
Some bracelet or sticker or crystal you buy for $36 is not gonna do it either
Then you brought up a paper supposedly about “electromagnetic frequencies” (which usually means light) and said
“try not to unilaterally dismiss everything crystal hippies say.”
As if crystals and auras are in any way relevant to the paper about directly applied electricity!
This is exactly what the meme is about; people trying to justify random rocks and accessories with vague factoids and things science supposedly hasn’t discovered.
The frequencies don’t have to be new so much as understood.
This is entirely your claim, and you use it to insinuate that woo really does work and science is slowing coming to understand that! I have no issue with scientific research finding new things, but I take issue when that reseach is used to justify something completely different.
The meme is about how science won’t discover that “energy” alters your “frequencies”.
This premise has been proved wrong countless times throughout history leading up to today: photosynthesis, radiation poisoning, microwaves,radio waves, gravity, x-rays, ultrasound, infrasound…
Understand that list of discovered energies and frequencies that have changed the world is not exhaustive.
One of the recent examples of energies altering your frequency are NASA’s studies of the clinically significant effects of tvemf, pulsed electromagnetic fields, influencing tissue regeneration, specifically neural tissue and cartilage documented in the studies linked above.
Your argument, and that of the OP, against all ongoing evidence to the contrary, is that you happen to be writing your comments at the absolute apex of historical and technological science, that your lay understanding of such science is sufficient, and all of the scientists who are telling you that you are wrong and new technology and scientific concepts are still being developed, studied, and experimented with constantly are incorrect.
You maintaining that because some inanimate objects do not alter physiological processes, “energy” cannot affect your “frequency” is an absurd illogic.
You are tossing a rock in the air and swearing that planes cannot exist because the rock falls to the ground while planes are flying over your head.
many people mistake the brief moments they are alive for the culmination of history, but this is a selfish and limited understanding of time and history and the next generation will prove you wrong.
Heck, the next Xbox console is going to prove you wrong.
technology marches forward, and so does the human understanding of science.
you should be less proud of your ignorance.
the few moments you are alive are less unique than you want them to be, and you know less than you think you do.
Ignorance? As you defend pink salt and radioactive bracelets as the next frontier of science?
I’m well aware of the radical changes to known science in the past, from the ultraviolet catastrophe to the Michelson-Morley experiment to phebotinum and even to expanding earth models.
Yet for every folk remedy that yeilds an asprin, there are a dozen colloidal silvers, for each inoculation there’s several ear candlings, and for each acupuncture, several Non-Contact Therapeutic Touchs.
A rock from walmart doesn’t have access to any cancer curing or anti-aging energy powers, no matter how hard to believe science to be blind. Are there scientifically undiscovered remedies in use today? Certainly. Is dried turtle brain going to cure your ED? No!
Come back when the next xbox can cure cancer wirelessly and detect ghosts.
