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    This is just a shitty version of that actually good Luigi meme

    also:

    I’m not saying you’re right or wrong but it is certainly interesting that the most prominent tankie specimens on the fediverse average 20+ essay-length comments per day while I get fed jacketed if I spend more than 2 paragraphs refuting their bullshit.

    Strange that these self described proles have enough free time between their subsistence wage earning and real life praxis to write a small novel per week…

    indistinguishable from chuds talking about paid protesters

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    Repeatedly calling tankies stupid but also criticizing us for writing essay length comments

    When we engage with them we’re writing thought out responses. When they engage with us it’s thought terminating cliches and name calling.

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      This is why i have infinite respect for our comrades who can wade into these waters and not lose their head

      I’m too short-tempered to argue with people like this

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          My father in law is the very model of a modern major liberal and often inserts his opinions about human nature and how evil the enemies of Amerikkka are any chance he gets. I keep saving comments by cowbee to use as responses to him and the last few times I’ve done it, it has stopped him in his tracks, immediately changing the subject. I swear, there’s something about how cowbee responds that works really well on a certain kind of people.

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      We are simultaneously irrelevant fringe weirdos and the sole thing holding back the western left. We are simultaneously too stupid and too smart. They can’t make up their mind about why tankies are bad, they just know that we are.

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    This shit is going to ring more and more hollow as libs get radicalized by ICE violence. You can’t get to the point where libs are talking about protesting while armed (or doing it) and simultaneously punch left because they aren’t pacifists.

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      The libs don’t know that there is a ticking clock on that sort of behaviour. The fascists do though, they know they only have so much time before the libs finally learn their lesson about the fash and stop punching left.

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    Haha yes let’s punch left while the fascists are literally kidnapping our neighbours, shooting innocent people and throwing grenades in vehicles full of children. This is a very rational use of my time during the current moment.

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    Our job is to organize in the real world so effectively, to educate our communities so tirelessly, to be so fucking good at touching grass, that these people who never shut up about us are ostracized for the raving, terminally online obsessives that they are. When one of these wreckers ventures into a movement and starts saying this shit, the response must be “you mean the people who helped me fix my car for free, who taught me to grow my own food and treat my own injuries, who helped protect my family from ICE? Get outta here, dumbass.”

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      It also feels really nice. I live in an apartment building and dont drive, I have no reason to own a shovel aside from clearing sidewalks that dont get plowed and will handle people’s walk ways as I go. Fuck their driveways cause fuck cars and i would only get half a block done. I dont live where people are weird about their lawns and will shoot you for being on em so im just seen as being a nice young person chipping in to help their neighbors. Old folks fucking LOVE it and will come talk for a while and give me treats. At work ill handle other people’s jobs so they can take longer breaks on the clock. I clock in people who are running late, I refuse to make front of house pay for food and have done so openly in front of my boss who simply goes around a corner so he ‘doesnt see anything’. Just do little nice things as much as possible for everyone around you even if you don’t know em while also being openly a communist. Most people who dont go online to discuss politics are fairly open about their ignorance and are interested to hear about other points of view. Everyone in my kitchen thinks Gaddafi was a hero now.

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          I gotta be real the Leftists I know IRL are the type to use the term Tankie as a pejorative and are not just anarchists but fucking anarchists. They help the homeless and also arm Ukraine. Not kidding, they did a benefit show to send arms to a Ukranian militia. They are ideologically terrified of power and it fucking show. There’s no greater goal than bandages and patting themselves on the back for doing what the state shoild be doing. Cool that you built sheds for the homeless. The cops tore em down the second tourist season opened. The horse is constantly pushing the cart

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    At this point I barely even know who the libs are talking about. I know what they mean by a tankie, they mean someone identifiable leftist who expresses sympathy for the west’s enemies.

    But where are they even interacting with tankies anymore? Who have they identified as tankie leadership? Hasan Piker? Mark Ruffalo? I have a feeling liberals will simply get into arguments on Twitter and that’s who they figure their political enemies are. Like who are they kidding, smash red fascism? They gonna start sending anti-antifa to harass PSL? Are they gonna go surround a Marxist bookclub or harass one of those North Korea friendship orgs full of elderly Koreans? Good luck I guess

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      I believe what they’re doing is pre-preparation for an eventual future where they have to oppose a vanguard party that is gaining real ground. The preparation is essentially “ew no ignore those people, they are tankies” so that people close their eyes and ears to anyone from such parties before even hearing what they have to say.

      Right now it’s not that important but down the line they see a need to pre-program people for that response.

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        Agreed, they’re responding to the genuine possibility of a communist vanguard party carrying out a revolution in the heart of the empire and building a proper worker’s state.

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          It’s going to hurt them because a lot of people are sort of confused about what the distinction between a tankie and a communist is. When people are confronted with a communist face to face in real life who is a genuinely nice person they’re not going to be thinking “tankie” in their head.

          Putting all of the anticommunist propaganda into the word tankie leaves a leaky hole through which support for communists will trickle even while those very same supporters still feel negativity to “tankies”.

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      I would have said it was anyone to the left of AOC, but it seems like they’re moving towards anyone to the left of Hillary Clinton.

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      What do you mean? Surely, after they team up with capitalists and fascists, they will peacefully criss-cross apple sauce their way into anarcho-postcapitalism with no resistance from those darned tankies! /j

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    Y’know, if these people can provide a consistent, material, considered method, one that could actually work, I’d be very happy, I’d go with it! Despite the way I talk at times, I really hate violence. But they never have a program! It’s always this bullshit.

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      Kind of like how EVERY single time someone tries to talk about how Marx is hundreds of years old and we need to “update” the theory to the modern world it’s just Kautskyism again

      Weird how this “update to modern conditions” is always just Liberalism and moving to the right and becoming chavinistic and abandoning our international comrades in some way. How come the update is never anything else? Never getting even more radical or trying something completely new and different, taking the dialectic in a new direction for new times?

      Jacobin Soc dem types will never stop trying to steal Marxism from the Marxists and dilute it into nothingness. Why don’t they fuck off and get their own thinkers?

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      I got banned from a piefed political memes by PugJesus for pointing out the obvious tension between his “anti-tankieism” and posting a pro-John Brown meme. He could only say that “John Brown wasn’t an AuThoRitarIan!” despite using violence against his political enemies outside of Liberal Democratic Law is the only way that they can ever define “tankie authoritarianism”

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    It’s embarrassing that liberals can’t see through this shit in 2026. It’s somehow more pathetic that they’re too scared to put on a MAGA hat when they say it or cheer it on like John Birch Society hogs.

    At least Deceptichum has a fun name for a fed account. That’s kind of quirked up for the State Department.

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        “Literacy” was always the most basic tool of totalitarian propaganda. If you are not literate you can’t be fed communist propaganda. The most steadfast anti-communist I knew in my childhood was my maternal grandfather who was illiterate. Communist propaganda did not reach him

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        They banned my Lemmy.ml account from their meme sub for “voting while tankie,” lol.

        It wasn’t even theory either, just Aptheker’s account of the Hungarian counter-revolution in 1956, as well as MI6’s role in stoking it and the CIA’s involvement. Deceptichum kept downplaying lynchings of Jewish people and communists, then tried to change the subject rather than confront their misunderstood beliefs.

        Theory showering doesn’t work, you can take a horse to water but you can’t make them drink. I tend to link works as supporting evidence, not arguments in and of themselves. Theory gets linked for those that ask or seem like they want it.