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    As someone who’s grown up in one of those and now rearing a child in Canada, I’d like to tell you that it was an absolutely incredible place to grow up in. The urban planning is such that there’s parks with kid playgrounds sprinkled between the buildings. There’s ample trees. There’s schools and kindergartens at walking distance where kids would often walk alone to/fro. There’s convenient public transit stops. There’s density that lets kids make tons of friends and always have someone to play with without “playdates.” Parenting in such a social environment is so much easier than what parents face in Toronto, it’s not even funny.

    E: Oh and the square footage in the average commie block apt is equivalent to a large old-school 2 or 3-bedroom apartment in Toronto. Most are family-sized units.

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      I still live in one of these, walking my dog is a treat, so many trees, kindergarten, school, pharmacy, groceries, even a pub all within 200 meters.

      The part I hate about this place the most is that they made a roundabout in front of the school so parents can drop their kid off by car easier, it’s the most americanized aspect, absolutely disgusting, there are literally two bus stops next to this school going in both directions.

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        That’s my Canada goose brain talking. 😆🪿 It’s literally the common term used to refer to the total area of a housing unit. Here for example a major real estate firm explains the importance of square footage measurement.

        For extra entertainment, this is a handy flowchart of Canadian units of measurement:

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          It’s similar in the US. We use gallons for milk and fuel, liters for mid size beverage (like a liter of water or two liters of soda) and fluid ounces for single servings (12 oz can). Pints are used to measure beer served from a keg into a glass. Medications use mililiters.

          Large quantities of weed use Pounds and ounces, smaller quantities use grams. Hard drugs pretty much exclusively use metric. Medication uses metric exclusively while most other commerce uses pounds and ounces. Firewood is sold by the “cord”

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            FWIW, a lot of the bougie drinks (fancy soda water, juices, pre-mixed cocktails, etc.) now come in 330mL cans, probably because at 11.7 fl oz, it’s a form of shrinkflation. And those mini cans of soda are technically 222mL.

            Also, do note that a U.S. customary pint is different than an imperial pint. (You get 20% more beer in Britain.)

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            Yeah. That said, I think on average there’s more imperial in the mix in the US than Canada. Canada went through an intentional Metrification process but it didn’t go all the way through. In part due to trade with the US. 😅

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        I would measure my apartment in square meters, but I’ve realized I would use the phrase “square footage” to refer to the surface area of a living space. Is there an alternative? “Square meterage” doesn’t work.

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      There’s density that lets kids make tons of friends and always have someone to play with without “playdates.”

      man, that’s what i missed as a kid sooo much. i would have needed this.

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            Ah. That makes sense. Let me make you feel better. In some provinces in Canada (or all?) children can’t be left alone, without adult supervision until the age of 12. It’s illegal and parents get in trouble for it. Even leaving your kid to play in your backyard in the suburb while you’re in the shower can become a problem if your bored neighbour calls the authorities. Imagine growing up with that kind of lack of autonomy. Even if there are kids around and even if there’s public transit. I still heven’t figured out how to workaround that for my kid but I suspect I’m gonna be breaking the law. 😂

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      It’s probably fine if you’re used to it but man I’d be so depressed living in such a densely populated city.

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        Same here. I guess different people like that but I cant be around that many people.

        Pandemics happen easier because of dense populations too.

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          China has incredibly dense cities compared to the USA and the effect of the COVID pandemic was much smaller in deaths per capita

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    I mean, after we build them we can also let people do gorgeous art on them

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      You also like… don’t have to use brutalist architecture. You can build them in any shape you want so long as the building won’t fall down.

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          Or if the design is suitable for machines to streamline a lot of building process so you can build them extremely efficiently, then go for it, you can “personalize” it after the building is there to live in.

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          I find it interesting that it’s considered a design choice and style so much when it’s kind of about necessity and just using what works.

          But then it does become a sort of mode or aesthetic in art and culture for what it represents.

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        The plattenbau buildings tend to be simpler due to the standardized, factory-made concrete panels they’re built from. That said they can be built extraordibarily quickly. These days, modern building methods and the availability of building equipment like concrete pump trucks allows for similar speeds. In the 50s, coming out of the war, the speed of construction of prefab panel buildings was revolutionary. It’s how large populations in the Eastern Bloc went from living in precarious conditions to having a 20th century standard of housing amenities.

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    Honestly, commieblocks arent that bad. Most of the pictures of them are cherry picked to be the unmaintained, dirty ones, and are exclusively taken in gloomy weather. The houses on the inside are usually good quality as well (though likely not well maintained anymore).

    Hell, if you just painted them colourfully, they’d look nice.

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      Most of the pictures of them are cherry picked to be the unmaintained, dirty ones, and are exclusively taken in gloomy weather.

      Look at the trees. They don’t have leaves. The image was definitely taken in winter. That adds a lot to the depression of it.

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        Didn’t anyone think to scatter a few evergreens around?

        E.g. a few pine and yew trees would be nice.

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      As someone in a city with tons and tons of commieblocks - the apartments are usually fine, but no, these areas almost always look like shit and are depressing to be around, regardless of the weather.

      And this is not one random guy’s opinion, no one I know likes these parts of the city and is excited to live there.

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        I’ve lived my whole life in and around commie blocks and I do not share your sentiment. My blocks are colorful with massive murals painted on their sides making each unique. The green spaces in between also help a lot, there are nice playgrounds for the kids, outdoor gyms etc. All the commodities I need are very close to my living space. I have not seen a single space in my city that looks like one in the picture even though we do have a lot of commie blocks standing around. Although I must say that the city isn’t taking enough care of our buildings. While mine and most others around are holding up fine there’s one that looks like it has rotted over the years. It is really starting to ruin the atmosphere but it’s just an odd one out and I hope proper steps will be taken in the future to restore it back to it’s shape.

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        You’re seeing the commieblocks 35 years after the dissolution of the country that built them, and likely 50-70 years after their construction. Anything that old without proper maintenance looks like shit.

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      Could get artists to do far better than just monochrome per building.

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    Also these are not painted, where I live we have their walls painted in colours with sometimes shapes and some have big art on them. Also there are usually small parks or grass plots with trees around and playgrounds.

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    I mean, it’s the left-wingers who want to increase the level of education for everybody, and that’s one of the things that is shown to slow population growth. It’s the insane population pressures that result in the need for building stuff like that.

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      Also projects are not left wing architecture. They’re compromise with shitstain conservatives that will never properly fund a project even if it gets approved.

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      Population across the world will start decreasing, fertility rates are all lower than they should be to sustain population. I think the main reason it increased so much is the average life span is high these days with all the advances in medical care.

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                I think you may be mistakenly assuming I’m suggesting we outlaw or limit the right to procreate. There are currently people having children who don’t even want to be having them. I’m suggesting governments stop forcing that to happen by allowing people to plan their own families.

                e: I’d also like to add that unending population growth is a capitalist problem. Capitalist governments have to expand the work force or else they can’t maintain growth for growth’s sake. Under a healthier government or anarchy there would be no need to encourage population growth because people who want children would simply have them.

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        Yeah it’s a little bit cheating to talk about Vienna, but they have been doing a lot of things right. Seems that’s buckling under pressure a bit though. More private buildings, reducing the top tax rate - hopefully doesn’t turn into the failed neoliberal ideology from the 80s.

        I’ve only seen it through rose tinted glasses of a tourist, but the city seems lovely. I would quickly consider living there if the opportunity presented itself.

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    Ultra luxury apartments are usually vacant most of the time, because the owners live elsewhere and only use that property for money laundering.

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      Just expropriate the building and turn them into communal living spaces; e.g. the USSR did that after the revolution with all the fancy aristocratic- and capitalist-owned buildings

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      not money laundering, gambling. secure a loan with the property as collateral, put that $ into the stock market.

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      and only use that property for money laundering.

      I’ve always suspected that ultra-expensive apartments in London might be mostly for money laundering. Like, i give you a ton of cocaine, and i don’t give you money for that; Instead, i buy one of your luxury apartments in London for $150m (70 m² apartment btw).

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    That isn’t left wing architecture. It’s USSR architecture. Don’t make everything bad from that dictatorship a part of the left. The Soviet Union wasn’t even real communism. Because communism wouldn’t have a regime consisting of oligarchs and a dictator for example. Just because some people abused something for bad, doesn’t make the thing itself bad.

    But these Stalin blocks were actually built an mass to house all the nomads living in the USSR. Most people didn’t have a home, electricity, running water. They used to live in tents. So even though these blocks are ugly and depressing, it made sure people didn’t have to live in a tent with -40°C and Stalin was widely praised for that.

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      I am a loud critic of the USSR but WW2 destroyed an enormous amount of housing in their country and they spent decades struggling to catch up. Even prior to that, they had WW1 and a civil war negatively impact housing and during the interwar industrialization they focused on increasing industrial output with most home building relegated to cheap temporary construction. A number of the economic issues faced by the USSR were unrelated to any specific political or economic system (for example, the vastness of the country added transportation expenses)

      Better than live in ugly apartments than freeze in the harsh Russian winters.

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        Not completely right. The main reason for panel construction wasn’t war reconstruction, it was rapid industrialization. The USSR in 1929 had 80+% of peasants working the land with a horse or with their hands. By 1970, it was a fully industrialized country with a majority urban population. This required the construction of housing for over a hundred million people over the span of a few decades.

        Compare that to England, France, the USA or Germany, which had a few centuries to develop the cities together with their industry since the industrial revolution.

        Now compare the housing in the USSR in 1970 with that of Brazil in 1970. The USSR in 1929 was actually less developed than Brazil.

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    Critiquing the visual appearance of architecture sounds like some Woke Leftist Liberal Arts shit to me.

    My parents raised me in a hole under a tree stump and it built my character. Now I’m the assistant manager at three different car dealerships. You lefties with your indoor plumbing and central air will never have this much success

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    I didn’t realize an expansive category of political ideologies had adopted a unified architectural language. 🤦

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    Seen a lot of appartments built by developers that are similar in a smaller way. I always put it down to cheapest cost and maximum profit. Nothing to do with ideology just expedience or greed.

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      TIL the hammers in The Wall were based on Nazi architecture.

      Bonus: this happened while we’re listening to Pink Floyd and bakimg christmas cookies.

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      Of course! What use are green spaces? Cant extract profit from it.

      Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #102: “Nature decays, but Latinum lasts forever”

      :3