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      It is ironic that his flavour of fascism includes adoring israel not hating it. Anyway, he’s not smart enough to be a very successful villain, hope to see him removed soon

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    The eagle is clutching arrows, representing a fasces, the root of the word fascism, representing the power of the state. Traditionally depicted with an axe at the centre, a fasces was a tool used by the roman armu to discipline soldiers. An axe for decapetation, rods for beating.

    these things are everywhere un modern nation states, but I’m told it’s not important, it doesnt mean what i think it means.

    it is also the root of the word f*ggot, a bundle of sticks.

    :3

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      Eh, the fasces has a different meaning when you don’t include the axe. Unless you think fascism is when people work together.

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        only thing they learned is how to fuck people over. they are using that knowledge on us even now

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          That’s true for Trump alright but what this hegseth guy is doing to the army and the Pentagon is more on the culture war side, no? I’m sure there’s some corruption as well and of course groundwork for using the military domestically one day but it looks different from the corruption-first approach of Trump.

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      "For my own part I wish the Bald Eagle had not been chosen the Representative of our Country. He is a Bird of bad moral Character. He does not get his Living honestly. You may have seen him perched on some dead Tree near the River, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the Labour of the Fishing Hawk; and when that diligent Bird has at length taken a Fish, and is bearing it to his Nest for the Support of his Mate and young Ones, the Bald Eagle pursues him and takes it from him.

      "With all this Injustice, he is never in good Case but like those among Men who live by Sharping & Robbing he is generally poor and often very lousy. Besides he is a rank Coward: The little King Bird not bigger than a Sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the District. He is therefore by no means a proper Emblem for the brave and honest Cincinnati of America who have driven all the King birds from our Country…

      “I am on this account not displeased that the Figure is not known as a Bald Eagle, but looks more like a Turkey. For the Truth the Turkey is in Comparison a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America… He is besides, though a little vain & silly, a Bird of Courage, and would not hesitate to attack a Grenadier of the British Guards who should presume to invade his Farm Yard with a red Coat on.”

      -Benjamin Franklin

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        Bald Eagle takes food from the Fishing Hawk like USA takes oil from any country who has oil. Seems Bald Eagle is a suitable mascot for USA. Although with all of USA’s other bullshit, probably a huge insult to the Bald Eagle.

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    Just because he idolizes the nazi military doesn’t mean he’s a nazi. He is of course. But that’s not why, everything else he does is why.

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        Honestly the Nazis were not this Uber competent group. Tons of in-fighting, poor strategic and logistical choices, and they did not run the government nor country in this rigid orderly way that is and was projected by their propaganda.

        I would say they had a very good propaganda campaign that’s still ongoing and paying dividends. Once you look under the surface some and start learning more about how the country was governed it becomes clear there was plenty of room for improvement.

        I mean, think about it this way, they chose to commit an industrial genocide on a hellacious scale wasting men, material and destroying the soul of a nation. How much more manpower would they have had if they didn’t commit these crimes against humanity and instead had drafted these folks.

        Like I know it’s not a great comparison or awesome though experiment and lacking any nuance but I think it makes a point.

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          Nazi economy was dependant on war. Their propaganda that Nazis have fixed the economy was so good that it lasts to this day. While the person responsible for it was ingenious his policies went all against at the time rules of economy and for a reason. It was just masking the problem which could be hidden only as long as there was war. In defense of the economist it was not his plan unlike other nazi’s to expand the war, but to stop pretty early compared to what happened. I would love to answer any questions but even after spending 90 minutes on a 30 minute video I was not able to understand it completely.

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          Yeah that dividend still pays out, it’s insane. Take a country that ruins itself so badly so quickly, and the propaganda works anyways ??! The human brain is wild.

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        yeahhhhh but just barely, hitler was just ass much of a fucking nut-job as trump… he advised his generals to read less sun tzu and more karl may; a children’s book author, who wrote stories about cowboys and indians, who had never even visited the US.

        this would be like trump telling hegseth to read more harry potter to figure out how to strategize better in the straight of hormuz…

        fascists are always incompetent, because they are fucking clowns…

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          I remember back when Cracked was good a writer doing a number of articles aiming to dispel the “mystique” of the Nazis as some sort of genius-level evil and expose their incompetence. Iirc, documents have shown that the Nazis would’ve imploded on their own due to their own idiocy.

          Growing up I heard all this “the German people are the smartest people in the world and Hitler was able to pursuade them through his charisma to create this insurmountable enemy that we were blessed and lucky to defeat…” Hitler won mostly through election interference and their own bloviating stupidity was a key factor in their downfall. Fascists are stupid. Deadly and dangerous, yes. But ultimately really stupid and we need to not allow any mystique saying otherwise to crop up. Fascism always fails. It hurts a lot of people in the meantime. But it will always fail.

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    I’m not saying this image is generated, but it is at least a little bit weird that a reverse image search only shows this specific comparison. I even tried Google Images for a “Visual Match” instead of just Tineye, and nothing.

    That, and Hitler’s eyes look weird, and the folded Nazi flags in the back look garbled. Circumstantially, it’d be extremely fucking weird if whoever planned this layout put a plant obstructing the view of the symbol on the podium. And what the hell would that cut-off, stark white symbol at the bottom right be?

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        The image of Hegeseth is real

        Sorry, I should’ve been more clear; I was never questioning the Hegseth image.

        The image of Hitler may be altered

        Generated, not altered. I don’t think this speech footage/image existed at all. The angle is weird along with the other points.

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          It’s very clearly generated. None of the flags make any sense, there are so many odd things that are AI specific details.
          There has to be some image that’s similar to this though.

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            There probably is, but to OPs original question, if you’re going out of your way to find footage of Hitler that matches Kegsbreath, then it probably is a coincidence.

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          Yeah pretty sure it’s generated. Look at the flags in the background, the black in the centre doesn’t make sense on a lot of them. And the people in the bottom left corner also look strange. Another strange point is the swastika below the eagle: the upper arm seems to be a bit shorter than the others. And the style of the eagle itself looks strange to me, but I’m not a historian, so that is just feeling,not knowledge.

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      It’s definitely not a good sign when we’re talking about a picture of Hitler being a Nazi is AI generated, but it’s a given that Hegseth being a Nazi is legitimate.

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      I agree the Hitler image is fake or modified. The Reichsadler is made to look even more similar to the Department of “War” eagle. The usual head shape of the Reichsadler was a little more burly and less like a bald eagle, I’d say.

      Example 1

      Example 2

      Example 3

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          I guess spreading disinformation dunking on the opponent everyone already hates is more important than standards concerning slop. =.=

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    Symbols are for the symbol minded - George Carlin

    The thing that makes this regime similar to the Nazis isn’t the way they draw eagles.

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      The new name is oddly truthful, really not in line with their common stance on truth.

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        for being a ‘department of war’, one would think they’d actually be good at it.

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          Interestingly “ministry of war” used to be quite frequent names for these institutions. The “defense” euphemism only came later in many countries. Austria-Hungary also had a “Kriegsministerium” (“war ministry”). It also had a much more badass double headed eagle bolted onto the building. Well, the building still has, after the country started a big war that was also the last thing that ministry did.

          https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia04.meinbezirk.at%2Farticle%2F2024%2F03%2F01%2F3%2F38736453_XXL.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=bb3075f40aeff447cf708abd0b8c9b89fbfe1ccb42fc580c740792f4717615a0&ipo=images

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            I mean, I get and like the honesty. But keep in mind the administration that’s doing this; it’s different when a fascist country says “ministry of war” from when, say, a country like New Zealand or some other innocuous country like Norway or Portugal or current day Japan.

            When the current fascist-US admin says they’re going to be ultra aggressive, they not only end up being ultra aggressive, but they end up being ultra ultra aggressive and fascist.

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              I get your point, but Austro-Hungary started WW1, not nothing either. The reason I was mentioning it is that the US might just as well be in its late days imperialism. One of these wars might actually end the days of US Empire.

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                Will end the days of US empire. That’s the plan.

                trump is not your typical fascist strongman. He is an intentionally destructive force, sent in to make the country insolvent and unmanageable. So the old structure can be saddled with the debt of the people and organizations that are destroying it, and its physical resources can be parted-out.