Those aren’t exclusionary statements
Trump is a symptom of the wider rot that the establishment Democrats are a part of
Bullshit, he is literally part of the disease.
Bullshit, without the disease he could never, ever have taken office. No functioning Republic would allow it
Just to be clear: symptoms are part of a disease.
Trump is a symptom and also part of the disease. Is there more to the disease than just trump? yes. There are kind of a lot of parts of this disease and they include effectively all of the current Cabinet, House, Senate and Judiciary. Some of those symptoms are democratic and, while I consider many of these democrats to be personally accountable for the issues we face, I also hold that the system is the real problem.
The existing system is the disease and, while we made it over 200 years, I think about the phrase ‘a more perfect union’ in that a perfect union is a goal, but was not a guarantee and bad actors will find loopholes and vulnerabilities.
We tried to get rid of kings; and did for a time, but eventually replaced them with technocrats.
There’s only a handful of them, and a LOT of us. Let’s aim for the next more perfect union and ditch these modern kings.
Yes. The pedodent is supported by the billionaire class and in turn funnels even more taxpayer dollars to then and his own family. The billionaires in turn help manufacture of amplify the conflicts he feeds upon.
But it could be more honest. Dems suck because they’re all bark and part of the problem themselves. Pelosi built a fortune on insider trading, but they keep acting like they’re innocent and “helping” the avg citizen. They sure as hell not with posts like this.
Reminds me of this:
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!
Upton Sinclair, 1934
What we need is people who actually write up policy proposals. It doesn’t matter whether you have a senate majority, you need to write the policy proposals now. What actually changes things is societal pressure, and you only build that up by showing that another way is possible, which you show by writing down how exactly you would run an alternative society. For which you have to write down policy proposals.
The fact that Democrats don’t have a Project 2027 or Project 2029 runbook proves they don’t know what they’re doing.
The fact that Democrats don’t have a Project 2027 or Project 2028 runbook proves that they’re not even trying.
They are in on it or worse also caught up in the Epstein/Trump honey Trump.
Yeah, but not because they’re malicious, just inept.
Controlled opposition by design
Hanlon’s Razor disagrees
lol
You’re telling me you think they can’t fail more completely? They’re clearly either not trying at failing or not trying at succeeding.
Either way they’re inept.
When it comes to politics Hanlon’s razor provides a distinction without a difference.
I think stupidity is harder to deal with than malice.
Everybody who’s complaining about “the rich” or “the oligarchs” should invest a few thoughts into how to actually formulate a law that makes society a better place.
We have. It’s called “theory”, and it’s a lot more complicated than just tacking on a few more laws to an already corrupt system of government in order to try and control an inherently exploitative system of economics.
Try reading it sometime. Try Kropotkin.
yeah but it helps formulating it yourself. only reading is not as good. you need to activate the neurons that do something, such as writing it down in your own words. every other way you only stay passive.
Good news, we’ve had that for almost 100 years:
Read Soviet Democracy(Pat Sloan, 1937) on ProleWiki https://share.google/A2wORPR6VfQAi4E5B
Never argue with someone whose job depends on not being convinced.
That’s a lot of someones,
given the related issue, best expressed by Upton Sinclair: It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding.
Not the healthy kind of “not being convinced”, of curious open minds.
This was a joke, right? Good one
Yeah, it’s Trump, everything will be fine when he dies!
Trump could never have been elected without you hacks, your corruption made him possible. He could never be in any position of authority without decades of unbridled rot to pave the way… if he’s the monster, you’re the Dr. Frankenstein who created him.
Good job
Donald Trump is literally everything wrong with The United States of America distilled down to a person and squeezed into an ill fitting suit. All the self obsession, anti-intelectualism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, paedophilia, war mongering, greed, hate, and cruelty rolled into the ugliest person you’ll ever know. Did I miss anything?
You missed corrupt, self dealing
Technically you covered this, but the narcissism rolled up with many of those other things, speaks to abuse, trauma, and how he has always been in an environment where getting professional help was never an option. So now he’s everyone’s problem. Passing the buck on abused people is far too normal around here.
I’m not saying he’s due a redemption arc (burned FAR too many bridges by now). Rather he’s a symbol of mental health around the US too. He’s a shambling husk made up of pure psychological damage, making every day an exercise in inflicting uncountable numbers of people with more of the same. And all of it was preventable if there weren’t so many institutional and social failures to address it, at every step in their life.
Did I miss anything?
The other 100million Americans they concentrated to make him.
Unfortunately this problem doesn’t end with Trump.
Some, I assume, are good people.
Not to directly quote Donald Trump, but I have to assume that some are, actually, good people. In fact, I’d almost want to believe that the majority of them are…just misled, misinformed, and legitimately didn’t see Trump as any sort of a saint, but still somehow saw him as ‘better than Kamala’.
Whether that was implicit bias or their racism/patriarchy showing, or they had an actual reason based on what they believed to be facts they received…who knows…but I like to believe that the majority of them are the latter.
Maybe that’s just my New England suburban white-boy privilege showing.
I also think that the only people that are still driving around with giant Trump flags on their trucks (or especially bikes), are either paid to do so, or are legitimately pedophiles themselves. I’m sure a homeless guy with a bike isn’t too expensive if they are gonna be riding it around anyway.
Media can be pretty damn biased and the people who voted for him mostly watch Fox News AFAIK. Go watch those guys for a day and see how they portray Trump vs the democrats
It’s because Republicans and neoliberal democrats (the majority of them) take their marching orders from the billionaire class.
You can just say “Democrats”, no need for a qualifier.
No, there are many progressives and socialist leaning people in the Democratic party.
Not in leadership, where it matters.
Sure, there are lots of progressive voters, and even a few token reps. It doesn’t matter, window dressing for the defenstration.
Fair enough, of course the US government has literally never listened to the people which is statistically provable. What is worse is most nations are about the same.
Problem is Americans don’t turn over incumbents before the wealthy corrupt them or their peers assimilate them into the political class.
The only path forward for US to remain a functional democracy is to primary sitting democrats at a rate faster than they can be corrupted.
Really we need a system that doesn’t use popular vote to determine representation. Even with good safety rails it eventually turns into an oligarchy which has happened to every major democracy.
I would even argue that democracy itself is just a window dressing around the world for the ruling class.
We already know you’re an enlightened centrist dude. No need to elaborate.
Did your mom raise you to be a twat or is it just your decision?
You don’t know what “neoliberal” means. Lumping most Democrats in with Trump is painfully ignorant and divorced from empirical reality.
You don’t know what “painfully ignorant and divorced from empirical reality” means.
bOtH pArTiEs take their orders from the billionaire class, get real, stop being a sucker
Thanks for admitting you don’t know what “neoliberal” means, you ill-informed blowhard. It’s just a buzzword to people like you.
bOtH pArTiEs take their orders from the billionaire class, get real, stop being a sucker
Grow the fuck up. If you can’t see the difference between the administrations of Biden and Trump, you’re an absolute fucking dumbass.
Look we have a both sider just in time for the next election. What a strange coincidence.
Oh yes, every two years, what an UNCANNY COINCIDENCE that an independent speaks six months before an election. You are truly the world’s greatest detective.
meanwhile, in reality, independents are 40% of the electorate. Ds and Rs are down to 30% each.
Perhaps you should listen to the independents, instead of insulting them? You need independents to win any election. You’re not doing yourself any favors.
This is why bOtH pArTiEs are losing voters; when will you figure it out, detective?
This is why bOtH pArTiEs are losing voters; when will you figure it out, detective?
Both parties aren’t losing voters, fucking dumbass. The same amount of Trump supporters shows up in 2024 as 2020.
Hey look, someone who thinks that independents can win and not just siphon off votes in our two party first past the post voting system.
our two party first past the post voting system.
What a ridiculous system.
Yeah it is, and it DOESN’T change by refusing to participate.
Oh it is totally ridiculous.
They said: Demz should win over independent voters
You heard: Vote 3rd party
Take a moment for yourself.
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Try reading between the lines and you will start to figure out people are not honest about what they say.
Looks like we have a genocide stanning, Blue MAGA party loyalist, just in time for the next election, what a strange coincidence.
If your referring to me you are about as wrong as you can be. I have no qualms calling out the US as the fascist nation it has always been.
I am also not afraid to call out Russia and China as fascist nations as well. I grow tired of campists from .ml as they are mostly just authoritarian apologists.
authoritarian apologists.
Authoritarianism is a useless term created by Liberals to obfuscate the differences between Socialism and Fascism.
Russia is a vaguely protofascist Oligarchy, that’s kind of true. They only deserve support in so far as their actions weaken imperial hegemony.
China is not at all fascist and it’s laughable that you suggest it is. Unless your definition of Fascism is “when the government says there are things I’m not allowed to do”…
Yup, found another authoritarian apologist. No surprise.
Tell me how China, that cranked out more billionaires than the US this and last year, is not practicing unfettered capitalism.
Tell me how supplying arms to war torn countries is not fascist. They are now the fourth largest producer of arms
Tell me how they are not an authoritarian oligarchy with a single ruling party where dissent is punished with prison.
Actually, don’t bother. I hate hearing from human rights abusers. Disgusting.
They want Democrats to keep loosing until their dumbass fantasy comes true.
Lazy “billionaire” criticism is so frustrating when we watch Republicans cut taxes for billionaires and take away healthcare coverage from 17 million Americans.
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Jesus fuck. It can literally be both, especially with this fatted calf.
Also in terms of affordability of daily good and gas, it literally, majority because of Trump, the billionaire grifter, and his tariffs and his stupid thinking he’s Jesus and started a War with Iran and the Republicans refusing to rein him in and the Democrats voting with them.
Hey there’s lots of things you can say about Trump without going right to body-shaming.
I’d prefer “Gold-plated calf”. It demonstrates both his worthless shell and the chunk of lead underneath. Nothing of value there. Just something dense and toxic.
Not to mention the biblical reference to him and his base.
Lets concider the context:
House democrats represent the old wave democrats, whereas Nina Turner is part of the Bernie wave. The old wave is dependent on super PACs for getting elected which means they need to lick as many billionaire boots as possible. The Bernie wave is much more credible in that they rely on grass root donations instead of super PACs.
So when House democrats are saying that Trump is the issue, they are implying that if democrats are governing, then housing prices will improve. But swapping bootlickers with other bootlickers are not going to change anything.
Change require that we give the middle finger to the billionaires.
What neo-liberals and their apologizing masses don’t understand is we don’t see a difference anymore. They’re both conservative parties that only care about their payout ultimately. Advancing billionaire objectives and ignoring us. I really wish they’d understand and stop trying to fucking argue against this.
You think taxing the rich, removing money from politics, and giving everyone food and healthcare is conservative?
Those are progressive ideals, not neo-liberal ones, and neo-liberals are currently the ones controlling the Democratic party unfortunately.
That’s not to say that neo-liberals and conservatives/the MAGA party are the same, or that the Democratic party and the Republican party are the same, but it’s important to recognize that neo-liberals explicitly do not want to tax the rich, remove money from politics, or give everyone food.
Those are literally the DNC written platform. It’s on their website in downloadable PDF form. It’s how they have always voted.
What do you mean that’s how they’ve always voted?
jfc
So as it turns out the entire congressional record including every bill introduced, voted on, passed in either chamber, and signed into law is publicly available.
Although I could mention about 56 years ago they voted differently, so not “always”.
So if you’ve looked at that record, you’d see where Democrats have recently voted against taxing the rich, against food assistance, and against keeping dark money out of politics, and you’d see the absurdity of a sweeping claim like “that’s how they’ve always voted”.
Also you realize there are more Democratic politicians than the ones who serve in Congress, right?
Link it
you haven’t been paying attention.
The “both sides are same duh” idiots still can’t connect these dots
Democrats don’t want those. At least at the leadership level. Their voters do, but the leaders don’t care.
They should be core conservative policies on account of them being the cheapest options in the long run.
conservatives vote for small government, big business. and by small government they mean gutting social programs, and giving money to billionaires.
these social programs were to fix problems with huge expenses over the long run more so then some bleeding heart reasons.
they literally save a dime now to have you pay a dollar later.
conservatives are so short sighted they can’t see their own d$(&
Conservative means “maintaining the old ways” in politics.
It means maintaining constants through change. So it can be applied way more broadly, actually. The ‘old ways’ or ‘traditional’ ways are agnostic to whether those ways are progressive or not.
‘Progressive conservatism’ exists. Many consider the form (or a prominent one) that it takes to be ‘neoliberalism’. Neoliberalism isn’t specifically used as a defined term political science.
So these terms have a whole lot of room tp be used and misused as needed.
Hard disagree on this one.
Conservatives aren’t working towards those things, no.
That’s the point
“Learned”, lol, yeah that’s what the problem is. They’re just so stupid. So unbelievably stupid. These people with billions of dollars of think tank research and social data, these people who climbed into power, they just aren’t realizing this obvious fact that somehow every non-politician around me has understood since they were 15 years old. They haven’t “learned”.
Hell yeah. Fuck their weaponized ignorance. Pretending they don’t know just absolves them of guilt.
Sounds like we should form a commission to study this issue.
I’ll draft a resolution for a committee to form and discuss the logistics of said commission. Closed door meetings of course.
I’ll arrange the menu, the the venue, the seating…
Ooooh can we pay my washed up friend $3,000,000 to give a speech there?
It’s the problem is that they refuse to learn
At LEAST blame Republicans, not Trump.
That Democrats waste time pointing the finger at Trump means Republicans get to reset after this like they aren’t fully fucking complicit and responsible for promoting Trump to power. And yes, those pro-Israel Dem representatives deserve a portion of blame as well.
It’s systemic and by design, yes Greedy Old Pedophile party is predominant and unmasked but the design has been flawed from the inception. Built with slavery and genocide the American Dream has always been for the privileged white man.
Democrats blame Republicans as well, it’s just that they’re essentially the same thing (by that I mean Trump and Republicans). Republicans are afraid of Trump’s cult, so they fall in line. Not that that excuses them, they deserve endless criticism but it’s also false to say ONLY Trump is criticized. More like Trump is criticized for immorality, corruption and idiotic policy while Republicans are criticized for their cowardice.
trump is the champion of the billionaire class.
I mean, they’re also right that Trump is making it worse. Hes making it acutely terrible in fact.
If it were some competent neolib at the helm instead of a retarded fascist we’d only be slightly miserable instead of suicidally miserable.
The biggest tour de force of the century so far is the billionaires who built/bought the social media’s and diverted the attention from the class war (member 2008?) to an ideology war.
They won their bet
The dummies followed and even fought for them
