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thelastaxolotl [he/him]@hexbear.net to Slop.@hexbear.net · 7 days ago

AmeriKKKan incapable of understanding how another country is able to built High Speed Rail so they must be lying

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AmeriKKKan incapable of understanding how another country is able to built High Speed Rail so they must be lying

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thelastaxolotl [he/him]@hexbear.net to Slop.@hexbear.net · 7 days ago
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  • sexywheat [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    “If the data gives me cognitive dissonance then the data must be wrong.”

    • liberals all of the time
    • FumpyAer [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      My sister’s boyfriend did this to me when we went for a drive together. I wasn’t even showing my tankie side but any oblique mention of china that wasn’t explicitly negative was instantly met with “they lie about all their stats”

      • BoxedFenders [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        And any negative stat is consumed and regurgitated as truth, regardless of how dubious the source is.

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    1. they’re not doing it

    2. if they did it, they’re not doing it right

    3. if they say they did it right, they’re lying

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      1. and if they actually did do it, then AT WHAT COST?
  • CarmineCatboy2 [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    You don’t need comparisons with China. The argument that one’s country is too big and expansive for rail only works when a) that country is poor, which the US is not; and b) when that country doesn’t already have the largest rail network in the world, which the US has.

    American States often have an economy that is nominally larger than that of comparable European nations. Those States have rail for freight. The lack of good rail for passenger is a political choice.

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      It’s insane to have to remind people that cars didn’t always exist and the main way that people traveled before them was by rail. Like idk how most Americans picture the period between the current era and the oregon fucking trail but it sure seems like most of them think we were fording rivers and dying of dysentery right up to the day Henry Ford (the proud and outspoken nazi) invented the assembly line (added a conveyor belt to the process) and thereby bestowed mankind with the gift of the mass-produced automobile (the conversion of a public good into an industry that made him privately wealthy).

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      The politicians have been bribed to keep rail for freight as much as possible. The rail companies push to have longer and longer trains so that the passenger trains, which are supposed to have right of way on tracks, have to take the bypass tracks to let freight trains pass. Freight also has one of the highest profit margins in a business at close to 50%, mostly b/c of them cutting every possible corner they can while maximizing load and shipping frequency. The rail industry is need of regulation, overhaul, and infrastructure development.

  • Dessa [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    On Xiaohongshu, I see the opposite, where some Chinese people refuse to believe that the US has a homeless problem, or thar our cops are beating innocent people.

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      What’s their reasoning? Liberal brain worms?

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        Generally it boils down to, “no way it’s actually that bad lmao” and “that’s just our state slandering its enemy” which are fair perspectives have imo. I’m envious that the reality of American social violence is absurd enough to be unbelievable to them.

        • ChaosMaterialist [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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          Back during the TikTok/Redbook silliness last year, I heard the quip: “The US Government tells lies their people believe are truths, while the Chinese government tells truths their people believe are lies.”

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      There’s a lot of “just comply” sentiment on XHS.

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    I’ve been on various Chinese HSR routes, consistently going at ~250kph. I’m not exaggerating when I say they were all the best and fastest trains I’ve been on. The UK’s train network is absolutely laughable in comparison, and somehow the USA’s is even worse than that.

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    Bro, 20% of the US is in the northeast and another 10% is in California. Just build regional HSR’s. Don’t tell me you think a fucking train is literally impossible.

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      Florida was supposed to start building a high speed rail system years ago. Then Rick Scott got elected governor, and unilaterally cancelled the program, something he never mentioned when he was campaigning.

      He later replaced it with a standard rail system that he had a 3% ownership stake in, because that’s how Rick Scott rolls.

    • bunnossin [she/her, it/its]@hexbear.net
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      smuglord You’re dumb for saying this but I won’t say why

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    One of the fundamental issues is coming to terms with the fact that if one person is stacking bricks it takes a while, if two people are stacking bricks it goes faster.

    If 300.000 people are stacking bricks they can build a high speed railway across huge distances.

    I intentionally made a huge leap to demonstrate how impossible it is for many people to imagine. It just doesn’t seem possible you need communism or slavery I’m sorry there’s no other option for such a huge problem and if you do slavery they’re going to burn the bridges you force them to build.

    (Just to be clear I don’t propose that you can magically make 300.000 westerners collaborate, you need to actually build social fabric for conditions to meet, to allow for such a project. The more you accelerate the more problems you will face, which might be necessary if you are dealing with an enemy. Doesn’t justify the methods, but there is literally sometimes no other option :/ )

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      Can be done by socdems also. Hiring people by the government and it gets done. But hard to find a good example this millenium.

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        It’s because they have self-destruct protocols in their projects. That’s the oxymoron of Democratic Democracy

        It’s either dictatorship of the many or rule of the few. You can’t have two contradictory things at once. You either solve the contradiction or cope with irrationality

      • jack [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        Spain

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    The UK also has a shitty rail network lol. But you can travel from Seville to Berlin on HS. It’ll cost you a fortune, but that’s privatization for you…

  • GenderIsOpSec [she/her, kit/kit's]@hexbear.net
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    every day the hatred i feel for the amerikkkan ruling class wanes in comparison to the hate i feel for the amerikkkan people

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    Whenever they have nothing left to go on, critics of China pull out “well they’re lying about their numbers”.

    But no one dares accuse them of lying about how much consumer products in American houses are made in China.

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    Witchhunt for “historians” when? Of all liberals this type is the fucking worst.

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    I must have imagined riding all over China on their high speed rail

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      I’m sure the xitter user would be “inclined to believe” you’re making it up.

      Check mate.

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        Real People™️do not go to China, only XiBots and Shills do.

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    China fudges their numbers on this the way they do on everything else

    it-is-known

    • Llituro [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      yeah they’re actually in their own replies going “no no no your argument is terrible, just be racist, that will actually persuade me. c’mon.”

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    Westerners want to believe that other places are worse off, exactly how Americans and Canadians perennially flatter themselves by attacking each others’ decaying health-care systems, or how a divorcee might fantasize that their ex-lover’s blooming love-life is secretly miserable. This kind of “crab mentality” is actually a sophisticated coping mechanism suitable for an environment in which no other course of action seems viable. Cognitive dissonance, the kind that eventually spurs one into becoming intolerant of the status quo and into action, is initially unpleasant and scary for everybody. In this way, we can begin to understand the benefit that “victims” of propaganda derive from carelessly “spreading awareness.” Their efforts feed an ambient propaganda haze of controversy and scandal and wariness that suffocates any painful optimism (or jealousy) and ensuing sense of duty one might otherwise feel from a casual glance at the amazing things happening elsewhere.

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      deleted by creator

      • MayoPete [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        I’d look for a way to mail this to burgerlanders… if they knew how to read

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    It is very funny to post the UK, whose only high speed rail is between London and Paris. Nothing domestic at all.

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      If I was living in the UK I’d want to get out of the country as fast as possible too.

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