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  • See, here's the problem with that. Marx's Address to the Communist League clearly is in agreement with my particular political programme. Which, no shit it should, I cribbed it from him.

    There are, in particular, two passages that are extremely important to note and apply to the American context.

    "The relationship of the revolutionary workers’ party to the petty-bourgeois democrats is this: it cooperates with them against the party which they aim to overthrow; it opposes them wherever they wish to secure their own position."

    This is most likely the passage that you are misinterpreting. To cooperate against the party they wish to overthrow does not apply to the national Democratic party because the national Democratic party does not wish to overthrow the Republican party. They wish to consolidate the gains of the Republican party for big capital. They say this repeatedly. To paraphrase, "America needs a strong Republican party." - Nancy Pelosi.

    If anything, this address would have us helping the Republicans, as they are the party that is most represented by the American petite-bourgious.This is, of course, a gross misapplication of theory because both parties are inevitably primarily representatives of big capital. We are not in a German 1850's situation where there is a party that wishes to overthrow the Kaiser, and establish a republic, we are in a situation in which the liberal republic has already been established and centralized.

    To whit,

    "But they themselves must contribute most to their final victory, by informing themselves of their own class interests, by taking up their independent political position as soon as possible, by not allowing themselves to be misled by the hypocritical phrases of the democratic petty bourgeoisie into doubting for one minute the necessity of an independently organized party of the proletariat."

    This is the penultimate point of the piece and where we reside, which is pretty damn clear, and exactly what I was advocating for in the previous post. I advise you to actually read what you claim to have read in the historical context that it exists in, in order to not misapply it to our historical political situation.

    But you can do whatever you want, it is unlikely that you are actually a member of any party I am a part of.

  • It's arguably the most important modern theoretical work concerning how we experience modern society and it's completely mediated experience in the so called first world under capitalism. More personal than Inventing Reality.

  • Oh, you're so clever, I'll bet you were a real hoot with all the other philosophical illiterates on reddit. No comment on the concentration camps either. Typical.

    Where did I say do nothing? Organize your labor, learn to use a gun, get to know your local political situation and figures, and get away from thinking about things in terms of Democratic party politics, especially at the national level.

    We are fighting a retreating action at best, but you will find no friends in the halls of national government, to get and stay there you have to be bought and paid for.

  • I tend to remove filler words when I read automatically, which really speeds up the process. It's completely involuntary though.

  • They didn't just not close down the concentration camps, they expanded the concentration camps! The fascism is here, you can't slow it down, it is all around you, you breathe it in every day, so much so that you can't tell the stench. Don't lecture me on the steps when you can't even do step one. I know who my enemies are, do you?

    You can't foil the Democrats conspiracy to lose because when they win they will still just do fascism, just more quietly and competently so people like you stop mewling. They actively square the circle of imperialist politics. If you can't organize while the savagery and contradictions are open and apparent, you will never be able to organize when a Democrat is in charge obfuscating the process.

  • Here's the thing, why would you ever assume that the Democratic party has ever had an interest in 'doing anything'? They are the ones who, when granted the political writ, doubled down on neoliberal economics and funding the war machine back in 2010. And you can go back even further to see that they are always, always doing similar things, no matter what the political mood of the country is. All they do, and literally what they tell you they do is 'Be the Republicans but smarter.'

    What if I'm not interested in that? Then it isn't in my interest to vote for the Democrats and this supposed propaganda isn't my personal undoing.

    The Democrats don't do things for people because the party is literally defined by ripping out the levers and mechanisms of power that make the party even mildly accountable to the people, as people became even mildly radicalized. The Republicans, on the other hand, appear very accountable to their base because what their base wants is good for capital. If their base suddenly didn't want those things, they would be cut out just as fast as the Democrats did to theirs (Which btw we are starting to see in real time wrt Zionism within the party.)

    It's not bourgeois propaganda, it's literally just having a memory longer than the last year. Truth is the most effective propaganda.

  • These are usually the types who say that we need to move past Marx without actually reading any original Marx.

  • Except you can, because you can be held for months without a conviction in this country, and forced to work 'for pennies'.

  • Why would they destroy one of their most effective allies?

  • Or you could just be self-conscious, work a normal ass job, advocate for wealth equality, and try to be a decent person to others?

    I know several rich kids who do that and are fine. Nobody ever holds it against them for being normal or even just a bit annoying. The issue is that there are a lot of them who try to compensate for their parent's success by exploiting everyone around them or use their position to create academic justifications about how everything is great for everyone and nothing needs to change actually.

  • Honestly the same thing can be said about a Christmas Story. It was released with little fanfare in the 80's but basically became a cult Christmas classic in the Midwest. Really still holds up, with only a little bit of racist humor against the Chinese at the end (but honestly they portray them as doing their best to give great customer service and everyone actually enjoying their experience).

  • I wonder if they even know how to use the Adobe Suite properly.

  • Of course. Revolutions are moments of social inflection, where rationality can be enforced upon the irrational chaotic social system. This is basic Marxist-Leninist thought. That is why a vanguard party must be formed, they create the coherence necessary to the enforce that rationality, without it the revolution either fizzles, is crushed by the state, or descends into score settling with no larger social program.

    If a revolutionary moment broke out tomorrow, historians wouldn't write about it other than as a footnote because it would get crushed because there is nothing enforcing coherence on the moment.

  • Dissatisfaction has never been higher. Translation of that into a coherent movement and not just stochastic violence? Unclear. There is a lot of propaganda that one has to sift through to even consider the idea of modern revolution as a viable path.

  • Lol we have so far to go before people actually know what socialism is lol

  • No, this is part of the irrationality of the system that Marx talks about. Unless we actually are able to organize, it will get to a point where there is an expectation to take on debt simply to be alive. Not even medical, just simply exist. We will bring back slavery.

  • What is crazy is that the Pareto principle is literally an arbitrary ratio that was made up to justify why 80% of the land in Italy was owned by 20% of the people. There isn't actually much more to it than that other than that some lean engineering guy from the U.S. got it in his head that it must be a magic ratio for efficiency because some fascist Italian matematician came up with it.

  • That's a pretty good point. Idk, I guess if I was going to read stuff from a pedophile I would rather it be from ancient Greece, guess that is where my bias lies lol.

  • Ugh fuck I literally cannot help myself.

    I don't know if you want to learn about love from people who notoriously groomed their female students for Sartre's pleasure. Like, maybe it is a French v.s. American cultural difference, but the fact that they would usually completely abandon their protege professionally when the sexual relationship was done speaks volumes to what they actually cared about.

    Not that either of them don't have interesting things that they have written about, but taking their writings on love seriously without considering their actions is like taking Chomsky's political philosophy seriously after the revelation of his close association with Epstein. These things must exist in context to the material world around them. The author may be dead, but I can still smell their corpse rotting.

    Idk, I never even know what questions I actually have until I actually read something.