A 13-year-old student was expelled from a Louisiana middle school after hitting a male classmate who she said created and shared a deepfake pornographic image of her, according to her family’s lawyers.
Nice to see the sheriff took action, since the school doesn’t seem to give a damn.
charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence
The girl has been allowed back into school, only after a school board meeting voted to allow it; but ‘on probation’ and with the expulsion still on her record. The family is following up with a federal lawsuit because of that.
I’ll note she didn’t just hit him out of no where. She first reported it to school staff. They did nothing. She then tried to contact her dad and got told by school staff ‘parents don’t need to get involved’. The school then put her on the same bus as the offender, who showed off the image again to other students in front of her.
What else was she supposed to do. I’d have hit him too, and I’m almost 30.
Wow! WTF? Parents being involved seems the minimum. The way I see it, if the school took no action and the parents were intentionally not told, the kid got off easy without a full blown asswhoopin’.
Fuck that school, their behavior is what allows this kind of thing to continue and turns these asshole kids into asshole adults… and then we end up with modern day US.
Sounds like a great cause for a law suit to me (not protecting a student). And we all know how much Louisiana cares about that.
If the school knew and didn’t report it to authorities or parents then the people involved should also be charged. School officials have a responsibility to report suspicion of sexual abuse, physical abuse, and self-harm. That’s what being a mandated reporter is about. I’d bring criminal charges against anyone wanting to keep it in house.
If the school knew and didn’t report it to authorities or parents then the people involved should also be charged. School officials have a responsibility to report suspicion of sexual abuse, physical abuse, and self-harm. That’s what being a mandated reporter is about. I’d bring criminal charges against anyone wanting to keep it in house.
I taught middle school briefly. I had a student that was sexually harassing another one of my students. Using “[student’s name] GYATT” as a nickname in kahoots and shit. The student being harassed had also transferred in from being homeschooled all her life - no experience dealing with this kind of shit.
Admin refused to do anything. I rearranged my seating chart to put them as far away from each other as possible, but admin blew me off when I asked if the problem student could be transferred to another class. Nope! Left me on read.
It’s insidious in Oklahoma. I imagine it’s the same in Louisiana. They really do not care about sexual harassment. It’s the “good old boy” system, where they refuse to consider it as anything more than a minor issue.
Admins don’t care about students, period. Not just sexual harassment
On probation for what, defending herself? Fucking hell.
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Him brashly showing naked pictures of her to people in front of her was sexual assault, meant to damage her mind/emotions/social connections.
Why are you only interested in the damage done to his body, and not the damage done to her life?
Why is her “option of last resort” use of violence not okay when ever other attempt failed to protect her? How else can she protect herself when literally everyone else refused to?
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sexual assault
harassment?
use of violence not okay
not necessary or reasonable to stop an imminent threat of danger, but I think you know that
It’s child porn for fuck sake. The school did nothing and put her on the bus with him. What other option was she left with?
If it were my daughter I’d be proud of her.
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Haha. Believe it or not I have actually pre-warned my kids that if they need to defend themselves physically to just press ahead and I’ll pay for the solicitor after.
They’re all incredibly good kids so I say that to them knowing it won’t be abused but provides them with the confidence they’ll be backed up and to stand up for themselves in the moment.
What other option was she left with?
there were many like the press, lawsuit, higher authorities
I’d be proud of her
I’d be, too. Kid needed an ass beating & the authorities who failed here needed a comeuppance.
That’s not the same at all. As a dad I’d I more than likely would be in jail for beating the fuck out of the kid.
Getting angry over images of mythical skydaddy means you have mental issues.
Getting angry at a boy who made fake nude images of your daughter is 100% justifiable
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Every one of the school officials who knew and did nothing should be charged as accomplices.
I would think that all of the school officials could be brought up on charges of failing to report as mandatory reporters.
Sorry for the wall of text. I tried to tldr it and failed.
proper tldr is hospitalized my bully. Mom invited a detective to the meeting, who threatened to arrest the vice principal for aiding and abetting assault of a minor.
I got pretty much that too happen in middle school. Beat the shit out of a bully who was punching one of my friends repeatedly in the head. Like kicked him in the testes then started stomping on his hands with steel toed boots and broke his bones so bad he had to move to another town for rehab, beat him badly.
My mom found a detective who’s kid was also getting bullied to show at up the meeting. VP was the disciplinarian in our school. We headed into the room with him, with the principal already sitting at the end of table. He didnt say an word that entire meeting.
My mom tried to open the meeting up while we were getting settled, by asking what the school was going to do to prevent students from having to take ‘drastic measures of self defense.’ VP immediately stood back up and started yelling about how it was HIS meeting and it was my actions in question. The detective, who was still standing, calmly unbuttoned his jacket, revealing his gun and badge, and calmly told the VP to sit the fuck down.
He started interrogating the VP about student reports of violence, when hed been informed, what hed done about it, etc. Then he told the VP that either he was leaving that room with steps already in place to ensure there would be no more violence, or he was going to arrest the VP for aiding and abetting in multiple assaults and abuse of a minor. He also threatened that arresting him for that would have the VP’s sons in sleeping in DSS custody that night.
Shortly after that I was sent back to class, but not before he cautioned the VP in front of me that any attempts to punish me for the fight would be seen as retaliation for reporting his actions, and making good sure I knew to call him (the detective) if that happened.
Like i said, the main bully was out of school, but his 2 friends were called in to the office shortly after that and expelled for the year. Then an announcement for a school wide assembly on bullying. Which was a pretty funny assembly. They both claimed they were implementing a 0 tolerance policy (which how we broke that is a story for another day) but also (clearly demanded by the detective) litrerally read out the states laws on self defense, stressed that students had an absolute right to defend themselves from violence which no adult could take away.
A police officer was there, who ended up becoming the high school’s student resource officer, who then told students that if reports of harassment or violence were falling on deaf ears of the faculty, to please report that to the local PD who most definitely would pay attention.
I would like to congratulate her on the new college fund after her parents sue the absolute shit out of the school.
Unfortunate for everyone else, but when a school says “parents don’t need to get involved” they’re doing something quite wrong
charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence
I’ll bet that has a penalty of like $1.25 total.
Back when I was in school, they would have expelled him and gave her a high five (and told her not to get caught doing it again).
Her brothers or cousins might very well pay him a visit also.
When I was a kid, the police would have arrested and charged the boy for CP even though he’s a kid too. This story is insane, it shows how much things have changed.
You elected a pedo for president and all his cronies!
Holy shit, that was me? I alone can decide the president? And I decided Trump? Holy fuck.
Because it’s not real it cannot be CP legally. Which is why he is being charged on this lower count. I am sure the sheriff would love to give him more years if they could.
If im the dad in that scenario I’m catching assualt charges then sueing for child endangerment, fuck everyone involved from the school.
Yeah if it were me, bare minimum the boy’s parents are getting their dinner interrupted by a loud angry knock on their front door.
I’d raise hell if my kid was told parents don’t need to get involved. It’s not like the parent wasn’t going to hear about it as soon as she got home.
If there is pornographic material being made about my child, I should be the first person the school calls. And immediately.
Not being allowed to contact a parent while distressed at school especially strikes me as bad. Even if they have no good reason to be freaked out, preventing a distressed student from reaching out to a parent while at school really sits poorly with me.
What else was she supposed to do.
Sue the school, get the police involved, go to the press, etc. The authorities in her life were failing.
If we were talking about adults, I might agree with you; but that’s a lot to ask of a 13 year old.
Perhaps she should have waited until she could get home and speak to her parents; but she did reach out to the adults responsible for taking care of her and was repeatedly turned away without a solution.
With that, I can’t really blame her for her actions here. I’d educate her on how to reach out further for help in the future, but I definitely wouldn’t punish her for this one.
but that’s a lot to ask of a 13 year old
Not of her parents, though.
While her actions are understandable, violent force without imminent danger is still difficult to justify. In practical terms, though, that kid needed a severe beatdown & the shitty administrators need to face consequences.
stop trying to argue both sides.
“She should of done xyz instead” in one sentence “that boy deserved it” the next.
Principles like nonviolence & justifiability aren’t really negotiable. Maybe you should try morality sometime.
The moral thing here is for that sexual assaulting scum to be expelled and criminally charged, and the girl defended.
That didn’t happen, the girl was punished the boy protected.
She did the right thing, pussyhole lad should’ve been beat far worse for his crime, if he wasn’t going to be properly punished.
There’s no morality in non-violence that allows violence to go unchecked. It was her last resort and it still isn’t good enough for you.
If she didn’t do that it would have continued and probably even gotten worse.
The moral thing here is for that sexual assaulting scum to be expelled and criminally charged, and the girl defended.
Right.
She did the right thing
Nope: see violence.
There’s no morality in non-violence that allows violence to go unchecked.
There was no violence until she performed it. Maybe you need a dictionary.
It was her last resort and it still isn’t good enough for you.
Far from it: there were higher authorities, the press, lawsuits, shaming & embarrassing the school administration publicly until they cave. They weren’t exhausted.
Violence is only justified in imminent danger. In civilized society, we only authorize lawful force. I think you know that. Lacking moral integrity & throwing away moral principles when challenged isn’t moral: learn morality.
I love how you keep trying to gloss over the fact that you are arguing both sides - How the fuck is that “moral”?
Oh becaue you are doing it and you can do no wrong from up on your high horse.
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I never understood US schools “logic” when it comes to deal with violence.
Yeses, she should not have hit that asshole, but they should expell him, and maybe give her a day or two of detention.
The same level of logic where the bully is somehow not at fault for when the bullied finally stands up to them.
Not that I’d know from personal experience or anything growing up from how many times it was somehow my fault for retaliating.
As someone bullied a lot what I learned from them always punishing retaliation but not the action was to wait a day, be sneaky about it, then unleash all hell like youd never get another chance. If they’re gonna punish me for being in the right Im gonna earn it, so I went big. They never found the rock that was in my hand though so I guess it worked out.
Jeez Ender Wiggin
Dont get mad at him for doing it better.
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punishing retaliation but not the action
I’m missing something. Are you suggesting that by retaliating outside the moment - attacking outta nowhere the next day - you were somehow punished differently? Perhaps less so?
What often happens in these cases, you’ll see, is that nothing is every done about the issue until the victim fights back. Then they usually both get punished equally.
The initial bullying is often completely ignored.
Teachers tend to treat one sided aggression (ie bullying) as an annoyance they must deal with, often daily, so it’s brushed off as par for the course. Once two parties are swinging it’s a fight, and since they’re already used to excusing bullying, it must be the retaliator who was wrong.
“it takes two to tango” that is, there’d not be a fight if the victim didn’t resist. Therefore both parties are at fault /s
yuuuup “Why’d you hit back? Now I can’t ignore it!”
I also think teachers get used to bullies because they act out so frequently and just accept their behavior as default, so they subconsciously think yeah that kid is supposed to hit other kids, but it was weird the quiet one flipped out all of a sudden (flipped out meaning acted exactly like the kid they ignore does all the time)
Punishing the victims should they dare to not stay quite is an honored tradition in schools and one that isn’tl limited to the US at all.
Rest of the world: Want to know why US schools have so many shootings? It’s not just the availability of weapons (though that’s the #1 factor).
Kids are taught from an early age that justice of any kind for their abusers inside school is never going to happen. Any action they take will likely result in expulsion—just like this girl—even for defending themselves.
With the microcosm of a social space that is school, what conclusion do you think kids will come to if they want justice? They don’t see any bigger picture than the tiny little place on Earth they’ve been legally obligated to be inside of until they turn 18.
And this situation is a stronger reason.
The girl has gone through every reasonable and righteous option she could of.
And the authority of all of those matters - failed her. So what was she left with? Punching the abuser. Now they’re all like “WHUH?! OH MY GOD! U CAN’T DO THAAAAAAAT!!” despite them practically IGNORING what was happening. What did they honestly expect? For her to own it?
She should get a high five instead of detention.
That is my opinion, too.
0 tolerance = 0 thought
It’s punching people is bad mkay. No thinking about why they got punched. Just punch = suspension.
Basically, it’s whoever creates a problem for the school. Bullying doesn’t make waves or headlines. Physically assaulting people does. Therefore, bullies don’t get punished, only people who hit back.
Seems to me a kid who’s essentially created child porn and distributed it at school would be a huge potential problem for the school.
Yeah, when I was a kid if a girl sent a naked photo to a boy and he distributed it, they could both get busted for CP, usually the boy would face a harsher punishment for distribution and the girl could negotiate something else. This image was created totally without the girl’s consent or knowledge, so the boy is the only one at fault
Right, potential problem. So they try to bury it to avoid it becoming an actual problem. The kid fighting back makes it an actual problem, so she gets suspended.
It’s a fucked up logic, but that’s their reasoning.
The logic is “precarity”. Everything can arbitrarily be taken away from you by a capricious system.
America is a shithole country.
I was a kid who got picked on and his ass beat a lot in the aftermath of Columbine. And I can speak from experience that basically every single guidance counselor and teacher’s marching orders were that I was much more terrifying and dangerous than the kids who cracked my ribs multiple times.
Part of it is that the culture of “boys will be boys” is still incredibly prevalent and transcends politics. Hell, look at how many “leftists” are glad to ignore platner being a nazi who worked for blackwater and blames the victims of sexual assault for being around soldiers?
But an ex who actually is a teacher explained this to me one night. A lot of the logic is that the bully is a lost cause who is probably going to suffer a LOT more if their parents have to come into school to talk to the principal about what their kid was doing. And… they are probably lost causes that schools just don’t have the resources to help. Whereas the kid getting bullied? They have a chance. So the kid who pantsed them in the cafeteria gets a slap on the wrist whereas they get a week of in school suspension for breaking that kid’s nose.
And then you combine that with standardized testing and funding and No Child Left Behind and the idea of expelling the young psychopaths only to get them back in a year because the “bad kid school” is full… yeah.
And I can see the same cold logic here. There is nothing the school can do about her being violated like this and the reality is that basically every girl in school is probably dealing with the same problems (they just might not know it). And there is nothing the school can do about the sick bastards who are doing this. But what they can do is say they have “zero tolerance” in the hopes of keeping everything from boiling over and just kind of hope she gets past her trauma somewhere else.
Ain’t the world massively fucked?
I get it, but why punish the bullied person then? Let them off the hook as well. That doesn’t follow any logic.
Aside on the Platner thing, I don’t like the guy because he gives off some weird vibes. But I don’t think he’s a Nazi. He’s been pretty honest about his past, and I think we should learn to let people grow.
There is nothing the school can do about her being violated like this
Legal authorities? Expulsion?
Administrators are lazy & risk averse. If parents advocate for their kid by raising a significant enough threat to job security, then administrators will act.
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Why do the victims always get the short end of the stick in these cases?
Because theyre girls and are inherently sexual by gender, plus boys are a protected class
/S but i cant even tell if im joking or if this is just what it is now
The girl’s father makes it clear that “boys will be boys”.
“Honestly, I have no ill will towards that young man or his family. Kids are kids, and they do dumb things just like adults do. So, especially at that age, they don’t comprehend the severity of what they do,” Daniels said.
Yeah, you can tell how clear he makes it by his overall statement being completely ungendered, the moment he’s not talking about this boy specifically:
Kids are kids, and they do dumb things just like adults do. So, especially at that age, they don’t comprehend the severity of what they do.
How exactly is the above sentence favoring boys over girls in any way? I also don’t see him criticizing his daughter for the actions she took, either.
I think you just want there to be misogyny, to confirm your biases.
It’s people like you that enable rapists.
You lied that the father said “boys will be boys”, and all I did was point out the lie and correct it, by quoting his actual words, and pointing out their gender neutrality.
So people who call out and correct liars enable rapists? Explain how. Be specific.
There’s no lie in anything that I wrote. “Boys will be boys” is the mentality behind this guy just casually sloughing off the sexual violation of his daughter through the use of generative AI to create nude pictures of her that this boy distributed across the entire school. She will carry that trauma for the rest of her life (not to mention the fact that those pictures are now out in the wild and will never disappear from the internet). And if it weren’t for the sheriff doing the stand up thing and opening a real investigation, that boy would have seen literally no consequences for his actions.
You shrugging and saying “well he didn’t say boys” is just being an apologist for the father’s apathetic attitude towards this girl’s bodily sovereignty and personal dignity.
Calling his mentality “boys will be boys” when he very clearly said ‘kids will be kids’, very directly implies that you are accusing him of giving male children a pass that he wouldn’t give female children.
And that’s a completely baseless assumption fabricated in your own mind to rationalize labeling him misogynistic. You’re calling him sexist based on nothing but your own bias.
There is zero evidence that he wouldn’t say the exact same thing about a group of girls making AI edits of their male classmates, and there is evidence that he would—namely, his actual words.
Your baseless accusation falls firmly under the ‘dishonesty’ umbrella.
There are the obvious comments about trump being a pedo and all but I think there is also another subject at play here
The US loves to apply zero tolerance policies. Thesr sound impressive, “zeeerroooo tolerance, we will do everything to stop the bad guy!” But in reality it’s just virtue signalling without doing anything about the real problem.
Zero tolerance policies make it that the institution doesn’t have to deal with any real problems. A student is a potential problem? Expel them, arrest them, get rid of them. This way, you don’t have to deal with anything and fuck that student, who cares about them?
A 12 year girl writes on her desk that she likes a clasmate? Arrest her with handcuffs and all and throw her in jail. (True story)
A girl doesn’t do her homework? Send her to something that effectively is a jail. Why spend time to support her, try to figure out what are the causes behind her problems? Just get rid of it. Eto tolerance, baby!
Somebody at school or work get bullied forever and finally snaps and hits back? Investigating WHY would take up resources, time, effort, it would cost money that can go to the shareholders and the CEO. Just fire that person, problem gone. That the bullies remain is not a problem, who cares about that? That that, over time, makes ymthe environment in your organization more and more toxic is not your problem.
I see all these US mass shootings done by young kids and young adults, and I just wonder. I know that the easy access to guns is an enormous issue that a handful of assholes don’t want to fix, but these zero tolerance policies too have a lot of influence on this, I think.
The USA needs to start dealing with their problems instead of just expelling and jailing every person who has a problem
Schools don’t actually want to solve the problem of bullying, because doing so would involve charging the parents of bullies.
As a heavily bullied person and severely abused kid at home, the Zero Tollerance policy never helped us even when we protected ourselves.
Also to anyone who says “what about CPS?” they came to our house quite often and were bribed just as much (use imagination)
Preach. I almost got suspended for being punched in the face, because the school logged me as “being in a fight” and considered that evidence I’d broken a rule. My assailant was straight up walking down the hall and shoving anyone in his way, eventually deciding to punch me because I didn’t move aside fast enough. But because I was the only one who complained to a Vice Principle (and because his parents had enough money and influence in the school to make things ugly), school admin effectively tried to extort me into retracting the complaint.
Took six months and multiple hearings, along with a threat of lawsuit, to eventually get the school admins to reverse their decision.
Yeah my schools had the same zero tolerance policy when I was a child. Say an 80s level sociopathic bully beats up a much younger kid, both would get suspended. That way the school can’t discriminate against a child if they discriminate against every child. The school did something and it can’t possibly be discrimination, doesn’t matter that it makes school worse for every kid, the school board covered their ass.
Your proposed actual investigations and solutions would solve more shootings than gun control… but some gun laws wouldn’t hurt, either.
These are all the principles America was founded and built upon though. Modern interpretations to the same document.
The US president is a pedophile. Victim blaming is a standard now, pedophilia and kiddy pron is protected these days. We’re living in a really shitty dystopia these days.
I’ve heard people say “return of misogyny” but that doesn’t capture it. I’m hearing of elementary school boys groping their female teachers. A 4th/5th grade boy jerked off on another student. Middle schoolers are telling vice principals that they’d only listen to a man teacher. This isn’t regressive. This is a new level of hell.
As homophobic and cruel as people were before, they wouldn’t justify sexually abusing children or raping anyone. There were bad leaders, but they had practical limitations that have since been expanded with technology. The Epstein sex trafficking ring is the worst sex trafficking ring in human history. It simply wasn’t possible to do acts this awful, and if anyone was suspected of such, it would be groundbreaking. Now we have radically violent hateful propaganda being disseminated to children and adults alike; by people who push their technology on children and adults alike.
We’re heading into 2026 led by a network of increasingly fascist nations with autonomous surveillance technology in all of our homes. Of all the branches of Hell we have running this Earth, Silicon Valley is the one I hate most. Silicon Valley radicalized the youth. Silicon Valley pushed Trump in 2024. Silicon Valley is covering up the Epstein story. Silicon Valley assembled our data. Silicon Valley sunk $500 billion into making AI deepfake propaganda tools. Silicon Valley gaslit us all into secondhand-thinking with their black box mechanisms. Worst of all, Silicon Valley gave their brood of neo-Nazis surveillance technology that can give a small think tank the power of a million eternal loyalists.
Source and how the fuck is this related?
Under what rock have you been living?
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Zero-tolerance policies.
Usually the effect of these policies is that a kid who’s getting bullied puts up with it until he can’t anymore, then finally fights back and gets suspended. Same thing here.
Personally, I don’t think we should encourage violence, but I also don’t see a problem with letting kids fight it out. He was lucky all she did was hit him.
It makes no sense, as the bully was the first person to initiate an attack of some form.
Dude, nothing about the US school system makes sense. Here’s some bullet points from my time there:
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Due to a health initiative by Michelle Obama, cafeteria food had to be low-fat, low-sugar, and low-sodium… but most of it was still processed carbohydrates.
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This policy extended to vending machines. The snacks all had to be healthy. So we had fruit vending machines, right? Wrong. Reduced Fat Doritos and Powerade Zero.
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Collective punishment.
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Teachers bullying students. Like, directly saying they would end up nowhere in life.
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“monitored” official school dances that smelled like a distillery and looked like a clothed orgy.
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Scare-tactic Sex Education. Abstinence-only sex ed had gone by the wayside, so instead they showed us a bunch of pictures of extreme STD cases and said the only way to prevent that for sure is to abstain. Which is totally different, right?
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Wellness classes where we’d go bowling and stuff our faces with fried food weekly.
So glad I graduated before that health initiative BS. The fucking pizza was both terrible and the best thing ever. Never got suspended for fighting, not that I was doing it a bunch anyways. Also got some decent sex ed in elementary, but yeah after that it was all scare tactics. I remember the classic “go to the auditorium for your D.A.R.E. program” and all they talked about was huffing freon, something that none of us kids had ever heard of before that.
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So a boy made child p**n of a classmate and wasn’t punished but the victim of the crime was?
Americans really living up to their president’s standards eh
By the school.
The police charged the boy and not the girl.
Fucked up world where the school is bad and the cops good.
At least the kid is getting charged but what the fuck
Americans seem to be too comfortable defending perverts.
Petition to strip big balls of his medal of freedom and give it to this girl who showed courage in the face of adversity and no tolerance for bullshit.
I signed it. I’m going to see if I can sign it multiple times, lol. I hate that dude and I don’t even know him. All I know is that him getting his ass kicked by two 15 year olds from Maryland at 330am in this city while he was here doing incredibly shady shit is the direct reason that city I live in has been absolutely locked down by the National Guard, ICE, DEA, FBI, DHS, etc. for months now and it’s showing no signs of ending. Fuck that dude.
I would def. sign that petition.
I can’t think of a better use of my time than signing & spreading this petition.
I hope her parents took her out for pizza, ice cream and signed her up for a kickboxing class. Because I would be proud if she did that, honestly.
She asked them to stop, the school did nothing. Well, then it’s time to handle it yourself.
Schools lucky the parents didn’t beat the shit out of the kid
If I was her dad, I’d be asking to take candid photo of the staff that took that decision, for no particular reasons, and see them stumble. But apparently “boys will be boys” remain strong :/
I think it’s time to start actually protecting and caring for children instead of using them as a scapegoat.
My high school bullies broke into my house when I was home alone and only left because my dog went after them. My mom called the police and the school and they gave the whole “boys will be boys” speech. We moved to a new school district shortly after.
Civil lawsuit?
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Whooole lotta people in these comments defending the guy who produced and shared Child Exploitation Material. “She shouldn’t have resorted to violence, there were other options” “She shouldn’t have responded to bullying with physical assault” My favourite: “it was made with AI, so it’s not really child porn”
Why is a 13 year old girl being asked to act with the calm sensibility of an adult in this situation, but no one is asking why a 13 year old boy thought it was okay to sexually harass his classmate? If she should have known better, he bloody should have too.
While I agree that jumping to violence can sometimes be the wrong answer, there are at least two cases where you just gotta remind people that polite society has its limits: nazis, and people who are actively sexually assaulting a child. This person was openly sharing sexually explicit material of her with others in front of her. That is sexual assault under Louisiana law. And if you think asking a predator nicely to please stop ever works, you’re a naive fool.
I don’t blame that girl one bit for hitting him. In fact, I hope she used her nails. Some people simply have no sense of boundaries until they receive percussive instruction.
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Sexual harrasment isn’t trolling, making CP isn’t trolling. I am 1000% okay with either of those things being met with violence. Especially when the victim is a child.
Attorney Miller said school leaders at Sixth Ward Middle School failed to address the girl’s complaints about the circulating image, despite her reporting it to school leaders.
“The school board’s actions in this case are reprehensible,” Miller said. “My client’s daughter was begging them all day to put a stop to this. Not only did they not put a stop to it, they put [her] on the bus with the perpetrator.”
When the girl saw the photo being shared again on the school bus, she hit the boy who she said was responsible for creating it. She was later expelled from the school.
She even tried to get it stopped the proper way and it was ignored. This is on the school admins. They should be glad she didn’t stomp the little pricks head in.
Violence is the solution to child porn though
“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats”
HL Mencken
I hope you’re not implying that AI generated videos of minors is anywhere near as bad as actual children getting raped.
Hey guy, YOU don’t get to make explicit videos/pictures of whatever weird shit you want if it involves another person.
This involved a real little girl who now knows for a fact that there’s a little boy who sees her boundaries as non-existent and just uses her body however the fuck he wants with no regard to her feelings.
Get all the way fucked. I wish she beat his ass for this.
Exactly. Even if this was two adults it’d still be incredibly fucked up and wrong and, if in a workplace, should be a slam dunk win in a lawsuit
I never said it was acceptable and the perpetrator was punished by the law.
if you think it’s acceptable to use violence to respond to AI videos being made of you, you need serious help.
Hopefully you, or your children, don’t get their ass kicked or worse trying to be macho. It happens all the time.
You are bullding a straw man so you can knock it down. Quit minimizing the harm done by creating sexually explicit images of a minor.
Not really. He’s the one who said “child porn,” which most people would assume to mean children being raped and recorded.
If he’s trying to argue that “making sexually explicit AI videos of minors” deserves a violent response, then he is incorrect and he knows it.
That’s why he tried to conflate the two.
A person putting a hidden camera in a child’s bathroom to get videos of them naked is also child porn and they also deserve violence upon them.
Making sexually explicit AI videos of minors absolutely deserves violence
If the article instead said the girls father who happens to be Mike Tyson punched the 13 year old boy so hard he had brain damage I could see an argument for that possibly being excessive.
With an emphasis on “possibly”
You are either uninformed or callous to the amount of damage that those videos can have to a 13yr old girl.
But the actions that boy took likely permanently altered that girls life for the worse including a significantly higher chance of suicide
It’s porn.
She’s a child.
It’s child porn.
Her first response wasn’t violence. She was let down badly by the school then pushed and pushed until she hit him.
Imagine creating an account just to go and try to make the argument that some depictions of child pornogrophy isn’t as bad as children being raped. Because you feel the need to compare and rank them, why exactly?
I don’t know if you’re serious or think you’re being some edgy troll. Regardless. Please go to the nearest mirror and ask yourself if this truly is the best version of yourself.
Where the hell did they say anything about child rape? Do you think child porn is only porn when someone is getting raped you absolute disgusting trogoladyte? I refuse to downplay child porn no matter how it’s created. Especially in this case in which the porn was used to torture the girl it was made of.
The police are charging the young man and don’t expect to do anything to the girl which is an example of people in the real world treating the situation appropriately. I can’t imagine the fucking idiot who didn’t let that girl contact her parents and instead put her in a situation where she COULD have a physical altercation with the abuser on the same bus.
Thankfully the police are operating responsibly in this case, generally in the US we don’t even expect that.
He shouldn’t be trying to conflate the two and should be specific about his argument if he doesn’t want me to poke holes in it.
You didn’t poke holes, you made something up out of whole cloth. The thing you made was a big red flag on top of your head. Cause we’re all looking sideways at you right now.
Like how if someone knows way too much about Romeo and Juliette laws, or the age of consent. You are telling on yourself with the logical line of your arguments and I assume you don’t know how to stop that from leaking out.
You’re making yourself look like a pedocnore than anything. Playing devils advocate over CSAM makes you the bad guy.
I’m poking holes in his argument heehee!
These are real fucking people. Get some empathy.
A new account defending sexual assault? Classy.
Go back to reddit, pervert.
I can tell you for certain, that a lot of trolls do the stupid shit that they do online, because they act with a huge sense of entitlement. They all talk like nobody has ever cuffed them good in the mouth for the dumbest shit they say or do. It honestly shows from all walks on the internet.
People try reasoning with trolls, doesn’t work. People try reporting trolls, it works some of the time. People try holding trolls accountable for their actions and the authority have a bare grasp on things online.
I bet you if people knew more where their trolls are hiding, there would be massive beat-downs that there’d never be an asshole online again.
He made revenge porn of her. Revenge child porn.
He’s lucky she didn’t rip out his throat.
I love the double down edit.
I’m flabbergasted that the school wouldn’t let her call her parents. I don’t see how they have the right to do that without parental permission, not matter the reason why. But that supports violence. She tried what she was taught to do. The adults in the building failed. So she stood up for herself.
I can only be so harsh on the boy. He is a child as well. And while he should be held accountable for the sexual assault, saying he is sexually abusing a child makes it sound like he’s some pedophile. It’s normal a 13 year old would be attracted to another 13 year old.
no one is asking why a 13 year old boy thought it was okay to sexually harass his classmate? If she should have known better, he bloody should have too.
In fairness, he “was charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence”, so it’s not like he was given a free pass or anything.
She’s on the Internet for life. I hope he enjoys registering as a sex offender.
He absolutely should not be on the sex offense registry for doing something stupid at 13.
Hard disagree - he needs to be punished for sure, but if boys are going to be marked as sexual predators without actually touching someone, or exposing his genitals or some shit like that; they’ll start touching people physically and exposing their genitals since; “I guess the penalty is the same anyway…”
Until at least 18 he should be. Making deep fake porn in this day and age is not that big of a deal. Sharing it with classmates is seriously sick behavior. He sounds like an aspiring rapist and needs a serious wake up call.
Im a firm believer that society would be better if everyone had a punch card. You get to punch one person in the mouth every 6 months. You will not be arrested, fined, fired, chastised or anything. Hefty fines apply to any retaliation outside of reciprocal punch carding. Women are allowed a small fist pack if striking a larger man.
I guarantee you people will start treating each other better if you can get popped in the mouth. That boy is never gonna do that shit again I promise you. Core memory unlocked.
I have actually thought quite a lot about this lol, and I kinda agree with you, violence should never be encouraged, but humans evolved to fear getting punched in the face or being eaten alive by a wild animal, not formal and polite warnings and fine haha, again not trying to make any point but just smthng i find interesting
“violence should never be encouraged” is a total bot thing to say. look at every major revolution throughout history. “violence is never the answer” is propaganda
Welp there is a diff between not encouraging violence and saying violence should never be used in any circumstances, you are right that major revolutions and resistance always have an element of violence in them, thats a different thing
But in a normal everyday life resorting to violence should be the last resort, its unpredictable, not just (what if your bully is stronger than u?) and undermines rule of law, I was replying in the context of the comment abt having a punch card to be used every 6 months, not in context of resistance or revolutions, sorry if the distinction was not understandable
yeah i thought about that after making the comment, solid points
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The fuck? Even in nature, plenty of animals have social punishment behaviors other than killing.
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Schools with zero tolerance policies are bullshit.
Sometimes kids hit other kids. They’re figuring shit out.
Plus sometimes situations deserve a little violence.
Give a warning and expell the boy for the AI image instead. That does a hell of a lot more damage than a light smacking.
Zero tolerance? Except for deepfake porn, apparently.
The parents should sue the school for tolerating that.
According to the article, the parents are suing the school. Which is good.
the 13 year old was charged at least (because the parents of the girl pressed charges, with no help from the school)
Everything with a zero tolerance policy is bullshit and just an excuse to avoid having to actually consider nuance and individual situations.
I got the same punishment in highschool for climbing over a table in the lunchroom to start a fight with someone who bullied me as I did for showing up five minutes late to class. It’s all such bullshit. (The punishment was two days of in school suspension.)
Give a warning and expell the boy for the AI image instead. That does a hell of a lot more damage than a light smacking.
If the story is true it would be overly excessive for both to be expelled. Also the boy who seems to be 13 years old as well. That’s just very young. But then again I’m from the socialist paradise Germany where we don’t think it’s appropriate to throw kids into prison or ruin their lifes otherwise :)
I’m from Europe, too. Kids are expelled from school for less than this. He absolutely should be expelled and have to have mandatory counseling. A slap on the wrist will just show other kids they can get away with sexual harassment and abuse, and make it even worse for the victims.
Just for you: He is 13 (in words: thirteen).
But demanding draconian punishments is always easy of course.
At 13 I could tell right from wrong. 13 is young, but old enough to know better than this. And expelling someone for sexual harassment/abuse and giving them mandatory counseling isn’t draconian. What’s draconian is that girls and women have to deal with this type of abuse and have people like you wave it off like it’s not a big deal, because boys will be boys.
What’s draconian is that girls and women have to deal with this type of abuse and have people like you wave it off like it’s not a big deal, because boys will be boys.
Where did I state that? That’s just a strawman. That I don’t think one should ruin a very young and potentially immature person’s life doesn’t mean I don’t think that behavior should be addressed. But please enlighten me how expelling someone makes that person a better member of the society?
Sure but the problem is being expelled from school potentially ruins their entire adult life. There should be a better way of handling that includes appropriate punishment and remediation, as well as support for the victim, and still sets the kid up to become a functioning adult member of society
There have to be more answers than either expel them or accept their behavior, and the school district needs to be tasked with finding one that both ensures justice and their role of helping kids become responsible adults
at least here they have schools (well, a school) for the kids who got expelled from gen ed. they get the same shitty education the rest of us do, no fun extracurriculars, and if they fuck up there they’re done.
While I wouldn’t advocate accepting this behavior there’s got to be a better way of addressing it. Sure, the victim shouldn’t have to deal with the accused, but there’s got to be a way of teaching a kid a lesson that doesn’t ruin their entire future. That kid has their entire adult life ahead of him and it is in all of our interest for him to become a responsible, upstanding, contributing adult
Simply expelling a kid is a failure of the school system as much as it is a failure of the kid
There is a simple solution. Is either kid’s life permanently ruined currently?
Then don’t permanently ruin the life of either kid. Otherwise the bad guy is u.
She was 100% in the right and this is not morally ambiguous
We need to find out how to raise boys that cant even conceive of this kind of conduct
We need to find out how to raise boys that cant even conceive of this kind of conduct
While I agree with the sentiment on the surface, naïveté doesn’t solve the root issue. We need to raise boys who violently reject people who inevitably conceive of this kind of conduct. Sociopaths and misogynists will always exist. That’s why it’s important for a healthy society to root them out as soon as they show their true colors.
We need to raise boys who violently reject people who inevitably conceive of this kind of conduct.
Perfect yes exactly
Exactly, this shit is on his parents just as much as on him. More even. His parents didn’t teach him to respect women and girls and in general to respect other people’s boundaries.
I also think self defense for girls and young women should be a mandatory class taught at every school. This boy is already degrading girls sexually against their will. Girls should know how to protect themselves from creeps like him.
I’m not here to defend what is completely unacceptable. So don’t mistake it as such. I also think it’s on the parents to raise their child. Kids do dumb things, that’s part of being a kid. But there’s dumb things. And then there’s this…
I think this also illustrates the importance of competent sex ed in schools.
With today’s generative AI tools. I fear these kind of things are far too easy and require far too little effort. Which makes proper sex ed all more important.
Regardless of whatever happens with this school suspension. That boy is probably in some very serious legal trouble. Because no matter how you look at it, at the end of the day. He intentionally, created, and distributed CP.
We need to find out how to raise boys that cant even conceive of this kind of conduct
Brain dead take. This is not a matter of parenting, it’s a matter of policy. You can’t stop this kind of behavior by scolding boys, and that’s not exactly the right way to get about it in the first place. Hormonal teenagers will forever be horny and creative. If they’re not finding every loophole to have sex, then they’re going to find the wackiest methods to get the next best thing. For some teen who can barely think straight, this is a quick way to get satisfaction from a crush without having the bravery of actually interacting with them.
That convenience is the problem. It is SO easy for anyone to get their hands on deepfake technology, and they’re so easy to use. You just find one of the hundreds of websites online, post a picture, and boom you’re done. Not only is it that easy, but their parents don’t even know such a technology exists because they come from a different era. In fact, they many won’t know of it until it’s too late.
Besides, no amount of talks stopped or parental controls stopped teens from watching porn, why would this be any different? The answer is that it’s not. The only serious way to address this issue, and it is a big issue, is through legislation. There’s need to be a federal ban that completely outlaws these deepfake websites, and this ban has to be actually enforced. At the very least there needs to be state bans, there just has to be some sort of legislation in place to ban or regulate this tech. Currently there is nothing.
Will this be fool proof? Of course not, when there’s a will, there’s a way. However, it will become way more difficult for your average person to do so. A 13 year can find a website and upload a picture, but it’ll harder for them to go on the dark web and do the same thing or install an AI model like Stable Diffusion locally and set it up to do deepfakes. These extra steps remove the convenience out of the equation, and make things like normal porn or interacting with their peers the better option.
You can’t stop this kind of behavior by scolding boys, and that’s not exactly the right way to get about it in the first place.
Yes you fucking can, if by scolding you mean talking to them.
Have conversations with them on how to be respectful of their peers. All their peers. Talk about things that are problems in the grades above them and tell them how it emotionally impacts people. Ask them how they feel about stuff they see it school, what they see. Frame tolerance for awful things as a moral failure.
Expect them to be decent for fucks sake, and they probably will.
You sound completely out of touch.
If you bothered to read the rest of the comment instead of just the first two sentences, you’ll see that I explained exactly why this an idiotic idea that won’t achieve anything. You have to actually be brain dead to think that finger wagging to a bunch of teenagers is going to result in anything, not to mention that you can’t control how parents will raise their kids nor can you control the knowledge parents have of this tech. This is something that can ONLY be solved through legislation.
Yeah I’m going to work on the real root cause which is the culture that promotes uncaring and malicious behavior, regardless of the technology that is being used to exact that behavior.
It’s out of touch to think that this sort of thing don’t happen with more crude tools. Are you going to play wack a mole with every new tool and platform that comes up?
I hate to break it to you, but this is a phenomenon happening all over the world, it’s not unique to any single society or culture. Not to mention that you don’t even have a real proposal in mind. Your grand solution here is demonize boys and wag your finger at their parents, if you think that’s going to achieve anything then you’re really are out of touch.
If all you care about is wagging your finger to feed your weird moral superiority complex, go ahead. However, I don’t have any interest in that. I want to see real, pragmatic, and tangible steps being taken to ensure that we get real results. The reality is that we have a new technology that’s completely unregulated, and this lack of regulation is causing this tech to be utilized in ways that shouldn’t be allowed. Deepfake websites shouldn’t be allowed to operate legally, and kids shouldn’t be able to access them so easily. Will a ban stop everyone? Of course not, however, it will greatly decrease the amount of people seeking because it’s not longer convenient to do so That’s how we can prevent situation like this one.
hey everyone photoshop just got invented you couldn’t edit or merge photos before this
Have you ever tried using photoshop? It’s harder and more intensive than it looks. There’s a reason why fake nudes exploded in popularity only after deepfake AI sites became a thing. You literally only need to find a website and upload a picture to get a deepfake nude. For photoshop, you got to download video editing software, learn to use it, and then actually do the work. Like seriously, people in this thread live in some alternate world. Lemmy is such a bubble.
Honestly? Not being in that school anymore is probably a good thing, especially for her. Record be damned; not one single fucking thing that i went through in school went on to matter to anyone but me. And unfortunately all that stayed relevant to me was the trauma. so, yeah, I’d say NOT being forced to suffer in that concentration daycamp full of shitbag crotchgoblins who hate her is an improvement.
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Good for her.Furthermore,
I hope her ex-classmate never forgets that punch and re-lives it every time the thought to deepfake porn of someone resurfaces.
