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  • No. Here’s the funny thing: having human rights depends on nothing! That is what makes them ‘universal’ and ‘inalienable’.

    Yes, they do. What alternate world do you live in? The UN declaration of human rights is nothing more than a listing of guiding principles to establish liberal based international order. The right to seek asylum literally has conditional in the original document. Like what are we even talking about?

    Again not how human rights work. I’m pretty sure that even the state has better reasoning for the deports than you, as this would be such a blatant violation of human rights, that it would be very awkward for Germany.

    It's not a violation. You can repeat the same thing like a broken record, but it doesn't mean anything if it's not true. Germany doesn't have to host them if they are a danger to German society or if they lied about their claim to asylum. It'll only be a violation of human rights IF their claim to asylum was genuine AND they aren't causing real harm to the host society. In this case, they violated both and therefore their cases got rejected. They're not entitled to be in Germany or any country, again, this is literally baked in into article 14 of the human rights declaration.

    You made that allegation often in this thread. But you do realize that defending the individual and their deed is very different from defending their rights?

    That's not allegation. That's literally what you're doing. You don't seem to understand that you DON'T have a moral argument here. Germany is acting in accordance with human rights, the people in question got due process, deserve to get deported, and they got due process. What is there to complain about? It's not like this is the first round of deportations to Afghanistan under the Taliban that Germany has had, and there has been no credible reports or evidence that any of the deportees have been abused or tortured for being deported. If that's the case, why are you so hellbent here to defend these criminals? Your central argument simply doesn't hold, and therefore, it's not unreasonable to assume that you're just defending the criminals because you think they're entitled to be in Germany no matter what.

  • Because I'm not familiar with the specific terms to give exact answers, I'm just saying that this deal is very likely to follow the trend of similar deals that Germany made before

  • Sure, but that doesn't change the fact the supreme leader of the Iranian regime is not the religious leader of shia islam

  • It doesn't have to be. Israel and the US could let Iranians set up their own government with "guidance". Iranians as a while are very liberal, educated, democratic, and most importantly, friendly to Israel and the US. Though everything we're saying now is just speculation, reality tends to go in unexpected ways

  • This is not true. Shia islam does NOT have a leader. It's not like Catholicism, there's no pope or equivalent position. Shia islam, like sunni islam, is entirely based around scriptures. The Iranian supreme leaders gave themselves the title of ayatollah to give themselves religious legitimacy, as their revolution is a religious on. However, that makes their religious title more political than religious. The vast majority of shias inside Iran, let alone around the world, don't recognize him as the leader of the religion.

  • I think this is obvious. We're talking about a geopolitical war here. All the parties are looking exclusively looking to advance their own interests. That being said, I think we can criticize Israel and the US for attacking Iran for the way that they did, but also celebrate the deaths of this evil bastard as well as stand with the Iranian people who want their country back.

  • But you also have to consider that the Iranian intelligence apparatus is incredibly weak and severely compromised. You can be sure that Israel has all the information they need about all the successors. If they can track down and kill their supreme leader in a few hours, they sure as hell can track down and kill the others.

  • That's kind of the issue, there are too many successors but none are definitely chosen. So there is a very high of infighting. This is assuming that Israel and the US won't go after all them as well. Considering how Israel did just that with Hezbollah not too long ago, this might actually be the most likely scenario. If regime change is truly the goal here, they probably won't stop until happens.

  • Iran isn't Syria. Israel has a vested interest in turning Iran into an ally. They're far away enough to not be a direct threat, but close and big enough to matter geopolitically. If they can get a friendly regime in place then the power dynamics of the whole region will drastically change in their favor.

    If the regime does really fall then every global and regional power is going to jump in and try their shot at trying to install their favored regime. China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Israel, Turkey, Qatar, EU, Israel, US, and hell even India might try to get the most out of the opportunity as the results could be huge.

  • That's the correct way to interpret this situation.

  • Will never happen, Iran has a very weak intelligence system that is very easy to crack and compromise. Hence why they were able to take out so many Iranian leaders and allies. However, the US and Israel have some of the most sophisticated intelligence networks in the world. Nobody is touching them. The only way they can go down is via internal institutions such as Knesset/Congress, courts, government institutions, or popular uprising.

  • Lol what? This parasite is the driving the force behind nuclear weapons AND behind funding all terrorist proxy militias that have been destabilizing Yemen, Lebanon, Iraq, and Syria. He can rest in piss.

  • He might not, but whoever will replace most certainly will even if the Ukraine war is over. The precedent has been set, and it's rather effective. If an idiot like Trump can achieve this much, imagine what a competent administration might be able to pull off.

  • I'm pretty sure countries like Germany ask for guarantees like occasional checks on the well being of the deportees from the Taliban as a part of the deal. Since the Taliban desperately wants recognition, they'll follow through with the terms.

  • The right to asylum does not depend on whether you're a nice or very shitty person.

    But it does depend on whether or not you're a genuine threat to society, which these individuals are.

    So in the eyes of the law they're redeemed and attoned?

    They're not German citizens or residents. Germany has no obligation to keep them in the country. They lost their legal status and chance at attaining asylum when they committing the crimes, and they're no longer allowed in the country once they serve their sentences.

    I'd say yes, very much, it's an easy case for Afghanistan.

    I'm not sure why you're willing to go so far to defend literal rapists being deported, but there's no credible evidence that the Taliban has gone after any of the deportees from the previous deportation rounds that Germany made. These are muslim Afghani men who were rejected from the west, I think the Taliban will embrace them if anything.

  • Sure, but the islamic regime chose to bomb 8 other countries instead.

  • Not really, but I'm also not mourning the death of Khomeini like I'm sure you are

  • They won't go that far because they now have a vested interest in protecting pedophiles. They'll just come out and say that being trans is illegal because it's against god or something and that it'll punishable by death. And guess what? They'll get it away with it too just like how they're getting away with this crap.

  • What is it now? Are they deported because they’re illegal or because the are “convicted of heinous crimes (drug trafficking and rape)”, as you wrote before?

    It's not complicated:

    Foreign national enters the country illegally to seek asylum (which is fine) -> commits a serious crime -> their asylum case is no longer valid -> they no longer have legal status to remain the country -> deported

    So they get a free pass now, because they’re of another nationality?

    They don't. They almost carry out their sentence in Germany first and the get deported right after. This is not a get out jail free card. This is a you're leaving the country after you finish your sentence in jail card.

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