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  • I mean that is the discourse. The central question is where the line should be drawn.

  • That's a very dishonest way of viewing things. Every society on earth has book bans if you go that far down the chain. While this is a concerning trend because parents shouldn't have their child's school remove books, it's also disingenuous to pretend that is on the same level as a federal or state book ban. Actually, I don't there's even a county level or a municipal ban on any book anywhere in the country. We're literally talking about community level institutions, and even it's a very tiny number of them in the country and they are all facing significant push back nationwide. That is not at all the same as Saudi Arabia having a national ban on George Orwell's Animal Farm or Iran having a national ban on The Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie where it's illegal to seek out, read, or posses these books and doing so may result in actual legal punishments.

  • I think there's a MASSIVE difference between conservative parents is some random rural town in Oklahoma removing a book because they're paranoid that mildly explicit sexual content might corrupt their kids and the federal government banning books nationwide. We can and should be critical of the former, but we also have to be honest about the discourse and not pretend that its the latter.

  • I disagree with this. It is a very, very big stretch to try and pretend that individual libraries and schools taking out books is the same as a federal ban. The former means you can't access that book in that specific building from that specific institution, however, you can very easily and freely get it anywhere else. The latter means that you cannot access that book anywhere in the country and possessing it could result in legal punishments. While both of these situations suck, they are not at all comparable.

    I also think it's important to note that the vast majority of the book banning discourse is fueled by paranoid conservative parents in conservative areas who think that books containing explicit sexual content is corrupting their children. It's stupid and worthy of criticism for sure, however, that's still not the same as what you're saying that it is, which is that the books being banned are covering up the things the government is doing.

    I'm against these low level book bans as much as the next guy, but we have to be honest about what the scope and content of the discourse.

  • Communism IS a failed ideology in both theory and practice, and some of the most horrific atrocities in history have been committed following Marxist principles in order to achieve. That's just objectively true.

    However, I have problem with narrative driven education like this because you are guaranteed to have a lot manipulation and misinformation in there. History should always be taught objectively because the entire point of teaching it so we can learn from it. If the education is honest, how can we expect students to draw the right conclusions?

    Education does play an important role in installing the right values, principles, and morals in the younger generations. However, it's equally as important for the education to be unbiased, accurate, and taught critically. We can and should teach the flaws in communist theory, why communist attempts failed in history, and the atrocities committed in order to achieve it. However, we also must give an unbiased understanding of what the ideology is or at least supposed to be, what communist regimes ended up doing well, and an objective break down of our own history, flaws, mistakes, and atrocities.

    The goal should never be to brainwash students into thinking communism is bad just because they're told that it is. The goal should be to equip our future generations with accurate facts, critical thinking skills, and a broad understanding of themselves, their country, and the world so they're prepared to face life in the best position possible. We shouldn't fear facts, we shouldn't fear criticism, and we shouldn't use fear to teach. We want kids to today to reflect on themselves and their society and question things that they think are not right. That's how societies improve and move forward. We can't let these MAGA morons hinder the future of our kids or society's progress because they're insecure and ignorant.

  • The US doesn't have any banned books. People who think this tend to be the type who uncritically consume misinformation. There are no banned books on a federal or state level. The discourse around book banning stems from a few individual schools, school districts, or libraries in heavily conservative areas removing books because the locals don't like their content.

  • People who talk like this tend to not interact with anyone, they just sit in their house all day writing comments like this

  • This highly depends on the context

  • No. Here’s the funny thing: having human rights depends on nothing! That is what makes them ‘universal’ and ‘inalienable’.

    Yes, they do. What alternate world do you live in? The UN declaration of human rights is nothing more than a listing of guiding principles to establish liberal based international order. The right to seek asylum literally has conditional in the original document. Like what are we even talking about?

    Again not how human rights work. I’m pretty sure that even the state has better reasoning for the deports than you, as this would be such a blatant violation of human rights, that it would be very awkward for Germany.

    It's not a violation. You can repeat the same thing like a broken record, but it doesn't mean anything if it's not true. Germany doesn't have to host them if they are a danger to German society or if they lied about their claim to asylum. It'll only be a violation of human rights IF their claim to asylum was genuine AND they aren't causing real harm to the host society. In this case, they violated both and therefore their cases got rejected. They're not entitled to be in Germany or any country, again, this is literally baked in into article 14 of the human rights declaration.

    You made that allegation often in this thread. But you do realize that defending the individual and their deed is very different from defending their rights?

    That's not allegation. That's literally what you're doing. You don't seem to understand that you DON'T have a moral argument here. Germany is acting in accordance with human rights, the people in question got due process, deserve to get deported, and they got due process. What is there to complain about? It's not like this is the first round of deportations to Afghanistan under the Taliban that Germany has had, and there has been no credible reports or evidence that any of the deportees have been abused or tortured for being deported. If that's the case, why are you so hellbent here to defend these criminals? Your central argument simply doesn't hold, and therefore, it's not unreasonable to assume that you're just defending the criminals because you think they're entitled to be in Germany no matter what.

  • Because I'm not familiar with the specific terms to give exact answers, I'm just saying that this deal is very likely to follow the trend of similar deals that Germany made before

  • Sure, but that doesn't change the fact the supreme leader of the Iranian regime is not the religious leader of shia islam

  • It doesn't have to be. Israel and the US could let Iranians set up their own government with "guidance". Iranians as a while are very liberal, educated, democratic, and most importantly, friendly to Israel and the US. Though everything we're saying now is just speculation, reality tends to go in unexpected ways

  • This is not true. Shia islam does NOT have a leader. It's not like Catholicism, there's no pope or equivalent position. Shia islam, like sunni islam, is entirely based around scriptures. The Iranian supreme leaders gave themselves the title of ayatollah to give themselves religious legitimacy, as their revolution is a religious on. However, that makes their religious title more political than religious. The vast majority of shias inside Iran, let alone around the world, don't recognize him as the leader of the religion.

  • I think this is obvious. We're talking about a geopolitical war here. All the parties are looking exclusively looking to advance their own interests. That being said, I think we can criticize Israel and the US for attacking Iran for the way that they did, but also celebrate the deaths of this evil bastard as well as stand with the Iranian people who want their country back.

  • But you also have to consider that the Iranian intelligence apparatus is incredibly weak and severely compromised. You can be sure that Israel has all the information they need about all the successors. If they can track down and kill their supreme leader in a few hours, they sure as hell can track down and kill the others.

  • That's kind of the issue, there are too many successors but none are definitely chosen. So there is a very high of infighting. This is assuming that Israel and the US won't go after all them as well. Considering how Israel did just that with Hezbollah not too long ago, this might actually be the most likely scenario. If regime change is truly the goal here, they probably won't stop until happens.

  • Iran isn't Syria. Israel has a vested interest in turning Iran into an ally. They're far away enough to not be a direct threat, but close and big enough to matter geopolitically. If they can get a friendly regime in place then the power dynamics of the whole region will drastically change in their favor.

    If the regime does really fall then every global and regional power is going to jump in and try their shot at trying to install their favored regime. China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Israel, Turkey, Qatar, EU, Israel, US, and hell even India might try to get the most out of the opportunity as the results could be huge.

  • That's the correct way to interpret this situation.

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