I find myself tapping Ctrl+A -> backspace faster than I can react to it myself. Life is too short for waiting for the little cursor to travel all the way back.
You already lost
When you’re 20 minutes into an argument on reddit and suddenly get permanently IP banned for saying something that didn’t even break rules
But IPs are dynamic.
The net is far more ban happy than it used to, it’s gotten to the point that I don’t feel safe using Steam Forums.
fr man
Wish that was me more often
Reddit? Nah that’s literally every platform.
If I was the owner of Reddit, i would 100% save in-progress comments, and keep the unsent ones in the database for my enjoyment.
Wasn’t that implemented once? Or was that a browser feature? I swear at some point what you typed into input comment boxes was saved.
If I was the owner of Reddit, i would 100% save in-progress comments, and […]
sell the data to AI companies
“I didn’t have time to write you a short letter, so I wrote a long one.”
i wanna say Mark Twain said that, but I’m not 100%
I thought it was Victor Hugo but apparently it was Blaise Pascal
It’s a similar story with editing videos. Paring a video back is where most of the time goes.
Jane Austen I thought
Steve Austin?
Maybe it was Tony Hawk?
I think it was Darude Sandstorm.
Maybe it was Austin Mini?
If you had made the effort to remix the meme by changing it to say lemmy, I’d’ve upvoted.
Does it matter?
Is it not clear from the way I wrote that comment that I thought it mattered…?
A lot of us are here because we burned our Reddit accounts and walked away.
It hits for me when I’m typing it out and I can already read the braindead response they’re going to type and I don’t want to spend another 2 paragraphs preempting the obvious response and I definitely don’t want to wait a few hours/days to explain why they’re still wrong.
Me when I realize the person I’m commenting to is from hexbear.
I still don’t know what the controversy is about with hexbear.
Tank you!
That’s because Reddit sells anger quite well. Their bots and human instigators work overtime to get you to comment like that. I think all of us Reddit refugees have fallen for this shit.
We’re not doing great on deprogramming ourselves either. The news outlets not only manufacture consent, they also manufacture outrage. This isn’t a new problem either. It’s been going on since at least the Spanish-American war, probably earlier (see also William Randolph Hurst , Joseph Pulitzer).
This is why “disable inbox replies” is such a great feature that I wish Lemmy would implement. For when you still have something to add, but it looks like the conversation is going downhill, the thought of further responses is causing anxiety, and you know the right choice is going to be to let the other person have the last word anyway.
The block feature is wonderful for this. I’m starting to use it liberally when I just can’t be bothered to deal with someone anymore. I don’t know if there’s a mute user function as well, but that would at least let them yell into the void instead of being blocked outright.
iirc block on Lemmy is “mute” and it doesn’t work like Reddit with preventing any interaction with any posts or comment threads you started (which I’m glad about, Reddit’s block imo is a horrible way of doing it).
Personally I don’t like the block feature for this for two reasons:
- it only targets one user, normally it’s more “I want to stop talking about this for now” than not wanting to talk to one person in particular
- I won’t see anything from that person in the future, which isn’t what I want unless they are really awful, just want to be done with that specific comment thread despite having some degree of respect for the people in it
And I’m the opposite. When I block someone, it’s because I’m sick and tired of that one person in particular and never want anything to do with them ever again. And for my own protection, I don’t want them to be able to see me or interact with my comments ever again, regardless of whether I’ll see that interaction or not.
Yup, though on the upside notifications seem to only work half the time here.
If someone is an obvious tankie or far-right troll, just be like “Lol loser” and never elaborate further.
Or you can call out bad faith and veiled extremist views in a few words. It only takes a little more effort.
Sometimes that is infinitely better for people reading (who are not in the know) and it still gives the person with the controversial views something to latch on to that inadvertently exposes their beliefs and bad faith further if they keep engaging.
There is no way to reason sense into someone who has reasoned themselves into their mindset. No evidence or proof can change their mind for them.
Any reply on confirms the beliefs of anyone who reads it, regardless of their side on the matter.
There is no way to reason sense into someone who has reasoned themselves into their mindset. No evidence or proof can change their mind for them.
Those are limiting beliefs and I firmly disagree. You can’t change someone’s mind, but they can. We can succinctly give them the information to do so on their own terms.
Any reply on confirms the beliefs of anyone who reads it, regardless of their side on the matter.
Not everybody is operating from a fixed set of beliefs and a narrow perception.
Humanity has a lot of curiosity, if it’s all laid out bare, we can at least stop impressionable people from getting herded into rabbit holes that they don’t understand and being propagandized.
Calling people names and spreading hate only perpetuates the tribalism that you see coloring reality.
True, but a considerable amount of the population has the causes that they will put themself on the cross for, regardless of how wrong it may be.
See flat-earth.
And they should be free to do so. We can still lay the facts bare - so when they are ready to face reality, they are available to them.
Even if their opinion is overall damaging to the opposite mindset?
If a mindset or perspective is vulnerable to the delusions and other breaks from reality of others, perhaps we need to work on expressing ourselves with clarity and confidence - and gather facts for people to consume.
Trust me, in a neutral arena, the truth will always resonate with the majority of people. I’d say the fediverse has pockets that are fairly neutral compared to other discussion boards/websites.
Delusion usually starts from a place of persecution, real or perceived gaslighting, and paranoia and concern. We can address the gaslighting if it does exist, and ease their concern.
‘Know your place, trash. Fucking robot.’
Here’s a tip for how I’ve improved my social media experience greatly:
Stick to a rule of 1 comment and no further replies.
Strangers online are not going to be convinced by your point of view and there is nothing to gain from getting into a back and forth conversation. Unless it’s a particularly positive or productive conversation about a particular interest you share…there’s nothing to gain from arguing online and lots of potential mental damage you risk.
My stance is: when arguing on lemmy, you’re not only trying to convince the other one. You’re also trying to convince future readers. Even if the other one is an asshole, people see that and that has an effect.
You’re clearly incorrect!
I know you’re playfully joking, but I second their opinion. I was basically on a crusade against misinformation in 2020 and 2021 against COVID deniers and election truthers. Nobody ever changes their mind. Nobody ever admits their wrong. No matter how respectful and accommodating you are, no matter what sources you find, it’s just not worth it. Give one response if you feel inclined, but don’t reply to the reply. Don’t waste your time. Don’t get pointlessly stressed.
People do change their minds sometimes, but it’s never done in the moment and if you press them too hard on their beliefs they’ll double down.
You don’t primarily reply to convince the person you reply to, it’s about the other readers.
On top of that, I don’t think most people realize how that level of dehumanization affects the conversation as a whole. We are not replying to people, we are replying to walls of text, abstract concepts, hypotheses, and we treat one another as such. It’s why anonymous internet discussions so quickly devolve.
I gotta say, there’s a sentiment that nobody has ever said anything on the internet that’s ever changed anyone’s opinion about anything. And it is not a damning indictment of the internet nearly as much as folks who live by the theory.
But maybe they’re right enough that it doesn’t matter. A thousand hours of posting could be spent doing something more productive in swaying public opinion. Maybe “Ender’s Game” is a lie and you cannot actually post your way to the Presidency. I mean, I certainly can’t think of anyone who went so ham on social media that they reshaped an entire nation’s political philosophy.
But also, maybe there’s a negative valiance to posting. Perhaps it’s just harder to post your way into people’s hearts and fill them with love. But its comparatively easy to post your way into their amygdalas and drive them insane.
Proposal for an exception: Where the comments/discussion revolve around something non-controversial with people who are OK with partaking in a conversation without needing to win it.
This seems great but I wonder what the point is then.
If I can’t convince someone right of centre to come to my side and they can’t convince me to come to theirs what’s the point in conversing with people?
Furthermore why do we keep having a circle jerk about how right we are on things and calling out dumb stuff in the world if it’s all futile? Like we know the world is shit and getting worse so why do I relish in it and not just go climbing more.
You’re welcome to do that, but learn to do it properly. If you’re just looking to preach and be outraged, then you’re part of the problem. You can’t change others, but you can change yourself.
I personally love podcasts. I’ll always be able to recommend from there:
You Are Not So Smart: 306 - I Never Thought of it That Way - Mónica Guzmán (rebroadcast). Episode webpage and Media file
If a black man can make friends with the most racist KKK members, and actually get them to change their minds through conversation, then there’s hope for anyone.
I think that’s the only recommendation I’ve ever seen for You Are Not So Smart and that episode is particularly good. Daryl Davis is a truly amazing person.
You’re not gonna convince me of your rule if you break it.
This is what pisses me off by left wing debate bros who basically just make their brand “trigger the conservatives.” They’re no better.
(I am not advocating for some sort of friendly both sides thing as an alternative.)
Ah second comment! Got ya!
Actually a great tip, thanks! I will take this into my memory.
I do this but I’ve come to believe it isn’t an admirable quality. I know I should probably strive for a different answer.
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I am slightly concerned that I recognized the anime source from that one frame 😅 To be fair it is a fantastic series! Check out Paranoia Agent if you can 🍿
Literally just finished watching it. Incredibly series from the GOAT Satoshi Kon. But… I will admit when I first saw it, my brain went to
Oh, hey! I know Paranoia Agent! I need to start that one over; I never finished it.
Thanks I just started watching because of your comment! Wow that scene is literally 2 minutes into the first episode.
Haha, right! It’s like the very first scene 😅 Have fun! It’s a wild ride, but in the best possible way.
I bookmark subreddits and read them without logging in. Every time I feel the urge, I’ve got a hurdle to cross before I can type anything. Then it’s immediately a “fuck it” moment and move on
The Reddit interface is so fucking obnoxious when you’re not logged in, I’ve just given up on the community entirely. Days of casually browsing have been ruined by the constant gating and engagement baiting and GUI hell they’ve injected into the site.
old.reddit.com works when logged out luckily.
r.50501.chat and redlib.northboot.xyz also work.
Actually it’s a keyboard shortcut to close the browser tab.
