Yep.
Flippant, mildly humorous comment, one sentence: (2,345 👍) (123💬)
Well thought out, reliably sourced reply of one to two small paragraphs: (3👍) (0 💬)
I have to remind myself engaging is mostly useless.
When I read bs here I’m always switching between this and “if no one calls this out, people might assume it’s true”.
Yeah but then the run the risk of arguing with a bot or a troll or a human being uninterested in having a productive discussion.
Duty calls. Someone is being wrong on the Internet! 🦸
I usually only do thar when people spread problematic stuff.
To be clear, I ain’t mocking you, I know the feels. Was just referencing
the BibleXKCD
“and suddenly you remember most readers of your comment will be bots”
yeah, no one changes their mind because of words on a screen. if you can’t reach out and slap the shit out of them your point will never get across.
About 60% of posts and comments on reddit are made by bots anyway, so except for really niche communities replying doesn‘t add anything to the conversation. I abandoned reddit a few years ago because of this, bulletin boards and small community sites are way more civilized and have no annoying astroturfing campaigns and israel/industrial complex shills.
I find myself tapping Ctrl+A -> backspace faster than I can react to it myself. Life is too short for waiting for the little cursor to travel all the way back.
You already lost
When you’re 20 minutes into an argument on reddit and suddenly get permanently IP banned for saying something that didn’t even break rules
But IPs are dynamic.
The net is far more ban happy than it used to, it’s gotten to the point that I don’t feel safe using Steam Forums.
fr man
Reddit? Nah that’s literally every platform.
Wish that was me more often
If I was the owner of Reddit, i would 100% save in-progress comments, and keep the unsent ones in the database for my enjoyment.
Wasn’t that implemented once? Or was that a browser feature? I swear at some point what you typed into input comment boxes was saved.
If I was the owner of Reddit, i would 100% save in-progress comments, and […]
sell the data to AI companies
“I didn’t have time to write you a short letter, so I wrote a long one.”
i wanna say Mark Twain said that, but I’m not 100%
It’s a similar story with editing videos. Paring a video back is where most of the time goes.
I thought it was Victor Hugo but apparently it was Blaise Pascal
Jane Austen I thought
Steve Austin?
Maybe it was Tony Hawk?
I think it was Darude Sandstorm.
Maybe it was Austin Mini?
If you had made the effort to remix the meme by changing it to say lemmy, I’d’ve upvoted.
Does it matter?
Is it not clear from the way I wrote that comment that I thought it mattered…?
A lot of us are here because we burned our Reddit accounts and walked away.
It hits for me when I’m typing it out and I can already read the braindead response they’re going to type and I don’t want to spend another 2 paragraphs preempting the obvious response and I definitely don’t want to wait a few hours/days to explain why they’re still wrong.
Or you say fuck it and send the comment, but you refresh the page and he’s downvoted it faster than a human being could have read it lol
Me when I realize the person I’m commenting to is from hexbear.
I still don’t know what the controversy is about with hexbear.
They unironically think, genocide, murder, torture and tanks are the correct way to spread the freedom and joy of communism, and for the same reasons, they are not afraid of telling you so. Being federated with them usually leads to an endless stream of pity flame wars. Because they think arguing and insulting other’s intelligence will make their ideology win.
Ahh. Seems on par for the whole “lemmy’s turning into reddit” thing.
Tank you!
That’s because Reddit sells anger quite well. Their bots and human instigators work overtime to get you to comment like that. I think all of us Reddit refugees have fallen for this shit.
We’re not doing great on deprogramming ourselves either. The news outlets not only manufacture consent, they also manufacture outrage. This isn’t a new problem either. It’s been going on since at least the Spanish-American war, probably earlier (see also William Randolph Hurst , Joseph Pulitzer).
This is why “disable inbox replies” is such a great feature that I wish Lemmy would implement. For when you still have something to add, but it looks like the conversation is going downhill, the thought of further responses is causing anxiety, and you know the right choice is going to be to let the other person have the last word anyway.
The block feature is wonderful for this. I’m starting to use it liberally when I just can’t be bothered to deal with someone anymore. I don’t know if there’s a mute user function as well, but that would at least let them yell into the void instead of being blocked outright.
iirc block on Lemmy is “mute” and it doesn’t work like Reddit with preventing any interaction with any posts or comment threads you started (which I’m glad about, Reddit’s block imo is a horrible way of doing it).
Personally I don’t like the block feature for this for two reasons:
- it only targets one user, normally it’s more “I want to stop talking about this for now” than not wanting to talk to one person in particular
- I won’t see anything from that person in the future, which isn’t what I want unless they are really awful, just want to be done with that specific comment thread despite having some degree of respect for the people in it
And I’m the opposite. When I block someone, it’s because I’m sick and tired of that one person in particular and never want anything to do with them ever again. And for my own protection, I don’t want them to be able to see me or interact with my comments ever again, regardless of whether I’ll see that interaction or not.
Yup, though on the upside notifications seem to only work half the time here.
Here’s a tip for how I’ve improved my social media experience greatly:
Stick to a rule of 1 comment and no further replies.
Strangers online are not going to be convinced by your point of view and there is nothing to gain from getting into a back and forth conversation. Unless it’s a particularly positive or productive conversation about a particular interest you share…there’s nothing to gain from arguing online and lots of potential mental damage you risk.
My rule is: nothing of value happens beyond the third level of nested replies. Lemmy’s (and reddit’s) format is about not just conversing with others, but the conversation being public and other people having a chance to interject with their own thoughts. But unfortunately, after a certain level, the UIs have to collapse or hide replies and comment, and almost no one clicks to see more or follow a thread, unless it’s a controversial discussion. So, if it is so far away from the OP that every single interface will hide it by default, and it’s not something positive, then it is not worth it to keep the convo and it doesn’t warrant a reply.
My stance is: when arguing on lemmy, you’re not only trying to convince the other one. You’re also trying to convince future readers. Even if the other one is an asshole, people see that and that has an effect.
You’re clearly incorrect!
I know you’re playfully joking, but I second their opinion. I was basically on a crusade against misinformation in 2020 and 2021 against COVID deniers and election truthers. Nobody ever changes their mind. Nobody ever admits their wrong. No matter how respectful and accommodating you are, no matter what sources you find, it’s just not worth it. Give one response if you feel inclined, but don’t reply to the reply. Don’t waste your time. Don’t get pointlessly stressed.
People do change their minds sometimes, but it’s never done in the moment and if you press them too hard on their beliefs they’ll double down.
We know how to change people’s minds, and it’s paradoxically by not confronting the misinformation. Instead, present an alternate but real fact about the root cause of their mis-belief.
You don’t primarily reply to convince the person you reply to, it’s about the other readers.
On top of that, I don’t think most people realize how that level of dehumanization affects the conversation as a whole. We are not replying to people, we are replying to walls of text, abstract concepts, hypotheses, and we treat one another as such. It’s why anonymous internet discussions so quickly devolve.
I gotta say, there’s a sentiment that nobody has ever said anything on the internet that’s ever changed anyone’s opinion about anything. And it is not a damning indictment of the internet nearly as much as folks who live by the theory.
But maybe they’re right enough that it doesn’t matter. A thousand hours of posting could be spent doing something more productive in swaying public opinion. Maybe “Ender’s Game” is a lie and you cannot actually post your way to the Presidency. I mean, I certainly can’t think of anyone who went so ham on social media that they reshaped an entire nation’s political philosophy.
But also, maybe there’s a negative valiance to posting. Perhaps it’s just harder to post your way into people’s hearts and fill them with love. But its comparatively easy to post your way into their amygdalas and drive them insane.
Proposal for an exception: Where the comments/discussion revolve around something non-controversial with people who are OK with partaking in a conversation without needing to win it.
Alternatively also:
If the topic is controversial and everyone is level-headed and talk calmly.
(Almost impossible on the internet, unless if there’s real good moderation).
This seems great but I wonder what the point is then.
If I can’t convince someone right of centre to come to my side and they can’t convince me to come to theirs what’s the point in conversing with people?
Furthermore why do we keep having a circle jerk about how right we are on things and calling out dumb stuff in the world if it’s all futile? Like we know the world is shit and getting worse so why do I relish in it and not just go climbing more.
You’re welcome to do that, but learn to do it properly. If you’re just looking to preach and be outraged, then you’re part of the problem. You can’t change others, but you can change yourself.
I personally love podcasts. I’ll always be able to recommend from there:
You Are Not So Smart: 306 - I Never Thought of it That Way - Mónica Guzmán (rebroadcast). Episode webpage and Media file
If a black man can make friends with the most racist KKK members, and actually get them to change their minds through conversation, then there’s hope for anyone.
I think that’s the only recommendation I’ve ever seen for You Are Not So Smart and that episode is particularly good. Daryl Davis is a truly amazing person.
You’re not gonna convince me of your rule if you break it.
This is what pisses me off by left wing debate bros who basically just make their brand “trigger the conservatives.” They’re no better.
(I am not advocating for some sort of friendly both sides thing as an alternative.)
Ah second comment! Got ya!
Actually a great tip, thanks! I will take this into my memory.
I do this but I’ve come to believe it isn’t an admirable quality. I know I should probably strive for a different answer.
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