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It’s the only ideology that thinks Charlie Kirk is important enough to assassinate. To the left he’s an annoyance but there are much bigger Charlie Kirks than Charlie Kirk. TPUSA is so far down the list of things creating fascism. To liberals he’s apparently baby Jesus. To republicans he’s an asset. Only right-wing accelerationists have a motive because they’re the only freaks who shoot up anything and anyone thinking it will spark a civil war. He makes a good sacrificial lamb if your goal is to make right-wingers rabidly homicidal or invite a fascist crackdown, but for everyone else he’s just a generic influencer and punching bag.
Yeah the last time someone on the left did some adventurism in the US, it was attempting to take out the GOP majority whip. Actual high-value target.
wasn’t that guy basically a bernie lib too? if i start hearing about defense and fossil fuel execs getting domed i’ll start thinking actual leftist
what was that?
The attempted murder of Steve Scalise
Batter up
I had him grouped in the meme-tier with crowder and tim pool, but after seeing all this I think he was actually a level or two above them. Probably above Shapiro but below, say, Tucker Carlson; notably Shapiro is on the decline and Kirk was apparently on the ascent.
But yeah I think most of the left was on the same page, just thinking of him as an unremarkable media bigot who looked slightly uncanny.
Ben never realized his ascent had a terminal arc in the right wing world because he’s too Jewish. Dude is level capped.
Dude is level capped.
“Dawg it’s a yarmulke, homie no cap” – Shabibo in that one rap video
I think he’s also too normal? Or like the wrong type of weirdo? He’s a briefcase-at-school kid in a world of irony-poisioned 4-chan fascists. He no longer appeals to anyone under 40.
He’s a neocon, 2000 era Republiklanner
Frightening that passes as “more normal” these days
I bet in a few years he’ll see the light - Jesus on his pancake or whatever - and convert to fundie Christianity .
Or just move to Israel.
If it had been Dave Rubin or some twitch streamer or that antisemitic Times Square Elmo they’d have probably reacted the same. The right-wing response to his death seems like it’s more opportunistic than genuine, while the liberal response is the kind of shit they say about any generic republican who dies. It’s hard to judge the staying power in the moment, especially if the media downplays the seemingly fascist shooter and limits the news cycles this makes.
He was a white house insider but I don’t know what degree of influence he actually had there because he himself was just a generic meat puppet for his billionaire funders. As a media figure I more or less forgot he existed until last week when I saw a DSA post about his tour. As far as I know there wasn’t even going to be a counter-protest, just an alternative event which would have drawn a larger crowd. The cultural relevancy of those is stuck in the 2010s and now we have terms like “debate pervert” to stereotype his brand of Guy. Even the memes about him were stuck in 2018 and limited to small face+diaper. I’d consider him more relevant than Dave Rubin or Stephen Crowder, but a C-tier influencer compared to Ben Shapiro/Tucker Carlson/Alex Jones/Joe Rogan/streamers. What little I saw of his media presence anymore felt like decade-old boomer slop.
Even between those A-tier influencers, none of them seem individually important enough for a leftist to target. Shapiro is on the decline, Tucker is deplatformed, Alex Jones is a donkey of the week for one of my favourite podcasts, and their streamers keep getting outed as paedophiles. Any other culture warrior name I can think of is just some dipshit who will be replaced tomorrow by another dipshit saying the same things they’ve been saying since the 1930s.
What little I saw of his media presence anymore felt like decade-old boomer slop
That explains why my fucking mom liked him and like two of my other friend’s moms
TPUSA’s grift has always been convincing boomers that he represents zoomers. On my fairly right-wing campus the only times I saw them were a tiny booth with like three
goobers dressed like 50 year-old libertarians. They sat there with buttons that said “socialism sucks” that nobody took, nobody bothered protesting them, and the booth had less traffic than any of the student club booths or the one that sells overpriced posters.Lesbians for Kirk
This was my first thought upon hearing the news, too. It took me a second to even remember why I knew the name, and once I did, I was confused as to why he’d be an obsession for anyone.
Yes, his rhetoric was awful, but at the end of the day, he was just another troll at the troll factory.
He had his moment during the 2014-2016 SWJ cringe compilation era
Absolutely. It has the hallmark of fascist infighting. It would be like if BadEmpanada or Shaun or any other Breadtuber that’s not Contra got assassinated. And even for Contra, I would mostly think she would be a target for being a high profile trans woman rather than a fascist specifically targeting her for her political beliefs as in the fascist shooter goggled “famous transgender women” and just picked her because she’s on the list.
I had no idea why someone would even bother to assinate a guy like Kirk, but when you put it like that it makes a lot of sense.
Gropyer on groyper violence. They’re still going to blame us anyway, just like they blame all school shootings on trans folk.
Kirk was not a groyper
I thought he was since he advocated for women to be SA’d??
That’s not what a groyper is. Groypers are a specific online political group. They’re (originally) followers of Nick Fuentes, although there are some splinter groups now that still claim the label but disown Fuentes (mostly for being from a Hispanic family or whatever).
Opposition to mainstream conservatism: They regard the mainstream conservative movement, which they derisively call “Conservative Inc.,” as weak and complicit in the country’s cultural decline. They see themselves as the true future of the conservative movement.
Makes sense, I always just assumed most online right-wing fash types were just all groypers. TIL
It’s a fun gross sounding world to toss in their direction, I’ve definitely misused it before just to punch up an insult.
Every shooting should be presumed to be a right-winger, because they have, so far, been the only ones putting numbers on the board.
at least we got The Adjuster
Well, if we believe in Mangione, it was a tech bro that took the various forms of utilitarianism a little too seriously and not as a pretense to say that their involvement in AI made them the most consequential people ever since trillions of future lives rely on them doing it right.
allegedly
Yea but that’s inconvenient for the fascists in power to admit.
Just saw a video of Utah’s governer talking about he was praying that shooter was from another state or another country because he wanted to be able to say “We don’t do that here”.
Guy gets shot in your state and your first thought is, “I hope this doesn’t reflect badly on the church”. That’d be one thing if you kept that to yourself. But do go and admit that on television? Damn. Never change Mormons.
Lol even state governors are just doing the "damn, hope he wasn’t one of ours
"“We disavow”
People really tried to compare kirk to MLK. Mindbendingly stupid country.
Nobody will be talking about Kirk by next week, let alone in 57 years.
There’s basically two types of people when it comes to Charlie Kirk: people who think he’s a gross slimy little tool, and people who think he’s a useful tool to achieve their own ends.
I think his usefulness as a tool just ran out.
That why they’re trying so hard to make him a matyr
Which won’t work. Ultimately the right hates losers and if you die, you’re clearly a loser. All the crocodile tears of today will be forgotten as soon as the next outrage comes along.
No, he’s only gonna be fertilizer. Good riddance.
Trump already forgot!
It’s a stretch to assume he ever really knew who Charlie Kirk was. He probably only recognized him by the tiny face.
Now that it’s a fucking chud of course they’ll forget
Inshallah
It’s funny because Kirk hated MLK
“MLK was awful,” Kirk said. “He’s not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn’t believe.”
“I have a very, very radical view on this, but I can defend it, and I’ve thought about it,” Kirk said at America Fest. “We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s.”
“We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s.”
“Great dude though”
- Every media outlet
Blake is an apparent reference to Blake Neff, a producer of The Charlie Kirk Show. In 2020, Neff resigned from his job at Fox News as Tucker Carlson’s top writer after CNN revealed he had been making racist posts under a pseudonym. Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott called Neff’s posts “abhorrent.”
His producer was too racist even for Fox News lmao[1]
probably for being caught, and not actually for being racist ↩︎
Hating Charlie Kirk because he wasn’t conservative enough sounds like something my brother would say lol
so sorry to hear that 😔
it sucks to lose family to the broke mind virus
bro, my dad and him fight and they are technically on the same side. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so evil.
Want to know how I knew? It’s simple.
Leftists actually obey the law, despite being the law’s harshest critics.
two minutes after posting “Be gay Do crime” I used my blinker and looked both ways before making an unprotected left turnwhy dont gays run over bicyclists in their lifted pickup trucks if they love crime so much?
because that’s legal
riding bicycles is gay as fuck and you don’t do friendly fire
Anarchy I shout while stepping off the curb 1 second before the light changes
me, standing at a completely empty intersection obediently waiting for green light:
Me using the turn signal on Route 66 with not a single human soul in sight for 15 miles in either direction:
So the bullets were misdirection then ig?
Whatever who gives a shit
New player class just dropped, cop priest
mfw you sentence your own child to death because you’re such a bootlicking loser
That’s Mormons for you
“I’m a good boy”
When I say that Mormons are one of the most dangerous and insipid elements of USAan life, a lot of people think I’m weird, but they’re not good folks
They will be one of the strongest opponents to a revolutionary force that emerges in the States
the most realistic part of fallout lore was always the mormons surviving nuclear apocalypse as a more or less intact independent polity
Yup, would have been weird seeing the Mormon Super Mutants
Mornons turned America into a religion. That should make it clear just how dangerous they are
Absolutely, I have no words strong enough to express their combination of
, , 
and 
They are the most culturally dynamic white people in america, they have massive influence over the cultural & media landscape - look how many actors and singers were mormon. Hell even the secret services recruit massively from mormon communities.
dad’s a snitch lmao
Worse: he’s a retired cop.
I feel like I need to tell my son I will never snitch on him now
If you see
someoneyour sonshopliftingassassinating a right wing media figure, no you didntMy parents basically told me that as a kid and it did make me feel more secure in life, if you’re a parent or friend of a real one it’s good to remind them you would never rat them out.
100k is 100k
Shithead like this would probably donate the fee to Charlie kirks estate
he’s never going to see that money, btw
no, they were a function of an internet-poisoned mind, a 4chan tier shitpost
The ends justify the means I guess
Does Charlie Kirk’s end justify the memes, though
Yeah I mean the shithead’s dead and we are getting blamed either way so trying to discern whether or not he is a groyper is a purely academic exercise for us
I just wanted to do a funny play on the phrase lol
It was funny for sure lol
honestly this is all just so fucking stupid i feel compelled to explain it way more than if it was “normal”
cop priest
You mean paladins?
Cop Priest unironically right out of 40k
tbf it’s also out of a substantial amount of western history, which I guess is signaled by 40k having “inquisitors” and so on.
Timothy Oliphant plays a Mormon Minister / Marshall in Fargo
How do they handle confession?
Prison
Groyper shoots Kirk
How can the rabid Left do this to him!
the american empire will be destroyed by the american empire. Same with Israel. The tragedy is the innocent people that get caught up in the fascist death drive.
Nearly captures my sentiments, this is hilarious and owns, but I also really want to leave
I thought “if you’re reading this you’re gay lmao” was too vaguely homophobic South Park humor for a leftist to use
The set of leftists who own hunting rifles, would target TPUSA’s golden boy, and would leave messages behind on the bullet casings (if it has any elements) probably skews a lot more toward edgelords than you think.
Sounds like the average cumtown listener to me tho
idk having never listened to cumtown but having absorbed a lot of cumtown adjacent nonsense I feel like they’d write something like “lol brb being gay with your dad”
i already forgot where i read here it but someone phrased it like “chud jokes are when you call other people gay, leftist jokes are when you call yourself gay”
And a libertarian joke is when you touch kids.
Call coming from inside the house!
What’s funny is you can’t really become a leftist without understanding enough theory to realize Propaganda of the Deed is a dead end. I don’t know if I’d be bold enough to call it counter revolutionary but for a revolutionary in the modern age it should not be undertaken. This is not 1878, you can’t just shoot a mine boss, and it’s not like we’re living in a global communist utopia because that shit works. It didn’t.
So basically when these murderjunkies pop off the odds of them actually being a leftist are slim to none. You might have a person who is dabbling in leftism or festoons themselves in hammers and sickles but that’s just some bandwagoning, really. You might have a radical liberal who is radicalized along a conventionally “left” vector like gay rights or abortion access but those aren’t really “left” opinions.
Which leaves us with the elephant in the room: the right wing stochastic terror machine and its apparatchiks.
This is not 1878, you can’t just shoot a mine boss, and it’s not like we’re living in a global communist utopia because that shit works. It didn’t.
I think Jenkins means if assassinating random capitalists in a disorganized fashion was all that was needed to establish global communist utopia, we would have seen it, and that therefore leftists know this is a failed avenue, and that’s why its almost always a rightoid doing these killings, because they don’t have the same base knowledge/ analysis of material reality
I don’t think people don’t merc CEOs because it doesn’t work, but because we live in a police surveillance state where doing so is basically a one off exchange of your life for theirs
Which is what makes it no longer a viable tactic to build a revolution.
Yeah there might occasionally be an ultraleftist that attacks state infrastructure or whatever but assasinations haven’t been in the US left’s playbook for over a hundred years now. Assassination and stochastic terrorism are commonly used tools of the right though especially here in the US. It’s no surprise they’re being weaponized against rightists especially as their coalition fragments.
It got buried but Elias Rodriguez, member of the PSL, did shoot 2 Israeli diplomats not too long ago. Considering how much of a fringe the left occupies in America, that’s not nothing.
I think he had some loose PSL association years ago, but was never a member?
Yeah that’s what I remember. He only had loose association and I think they said he never turned up for anything
I just want to be cautious cause if an active party member takes an action like that, the entire org is (theoretically, not legally) liable for that.
And thats why marxist are against random adventurism when it is not part of a larger military offensive.
This feels a little like post hoc rationalization. I mean, I don’t exactly disagree with you, but Charlie boy getting killed is a good thing. God knows a lot of good people wanted him dead. I agree it’s better if it does indeed turn out to have been CHUD on CHUD violence, but I wouldn’t have disavowed a comrade either.
Kirk is replaceable, this accomplished very little besides producing funny memes (which I do appreciate) and terrifying people like Shapiro
That’s kind of the best we get right now.
it costs them time to build someone else up.
if you didn’t hear, it sure seems to have turned out that way so good news! He was a chud
I see the tweet. Just waiting to come across something more primary-sourcey. Got a link?
I don’t know where it is anymore but in a thread I was just looking at someone asked that as well and they posted an nbc article corroborating that journalists tweet, if that helps
It was probably elsewhere in this thread honestly, I have so many tabs open I’m completely lost lol
While I’m reluctant to criticize Red Army Faction, Red Brigades, etc… and the end of the day their approach didn’t work. And we can analyze and understand why it didn’t work.
This is incorrect
Powerful rebuttal.
Tyvm, I run the illegalism comm so I take these rebuttals v v seriously 😤
Yeah, the internet ain’t no joke
The Right always eats its own
Tartar Control Hitler taking out Hitler Dry while avoiding Raspberry Hitler
And this could’ve all been avoided if you tankies just voted harder for Diet Dr. Hitler!
I tried to find any other sources that corroborate that tweet, but I couldn’t and journalists like Klippenstein are also asking that in the replies. Of course It would 100% not surprise me if he was revealed to be a groyper, but on the other hand considering how incoherent some of these kids’ ideologies are these days, could it be like
(I think he had some odd stuff with like rationalism and effective altruism(?)) who also was beyond internet-pilled from the engraved bullets? I could be wrong here but for some reason I had that remembered together when reading up about him).Yes, I’d be sceptical about this until we get it confirmed by a better source. Other articles claim that neighbours described him as left-leaning, but others also say there are photos of what may be him wearing a groyper inspired Halloween costume. Plenty of people seem to think he was ideologically incoherent.
Don’t like that fascists are stealing our jokes when they kill each other. I don’t mind them killing each other, but stay out of our joke pile.
Assuming that what is posted here is accurate. At this point I don’t know. But I do support just assuming the guy is a nazi and absolutely refusing any evidence otherwise when talking to the right.
I think honesty is one of the most important virtues of communism (“Communists disdain to conceal their views”) but that doesn’t mean you can’t fuck with these reactionaries by pushing hard on their flimsy epistemology and motivated reasoning. I’d just like to suggest that it is done by explaining that their shitty evidence is circumstantial or ambiguously proving the opposite of their claim.
