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Lol, JD Vance lying out his mouth. Do you think JD Vance believes in self sacrifice for himself? Do you think JD Vance loves Hispanic Americans? Or immigrants? Or Palestinians?

No, what JD Vance loves is encouraging other people to self sacrifice, to perpetuate genocides at home and abroad, to make himself and his billionaire donors richer and more powerful.

Like how Christo-fascists have nothing to do with Christian values, they appropriate the aesthetics and rhetoric only to the extent that it gets them what they want.

They won’t pick up any votes, they’ll pick up billionaire donors who use them as controlled opposition, they will continue to lose every election, and they will continue to personally benefit off it.

No, he had a hippie aesthetic and a pro-drugs, pro-sex libertarian attitude, so the woo-to-Q pipeline was inevitable, assault allegations regardless (which were also inevitable).

I think ideals do exist, I think “from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs” can only be explained as an ideology because it places an intrinsic value on people, not a practical value. It exists regardless of who the ruling party is.

I mean the set of social values in which you should do such a thing even if it was hypothetically to your detriment (a hypothetical that the Nazis and notoriously Imperial Japan had people frequently realize) because it is good and it is just to do so.

I never got the sense it was about a sense of universal goodness that exists independently of the ruling party, but because earning approval of the ruling in-group could help you earn carrots and escape sticks.

Also, even what they are describing, the lionizing of ingroup preference, is ideological

I can’t say I follow or agree on this point. I think this just the method of practical carrot-and-stick behavior modification. The promises of in-group rewards means even a Jewish person will become a a Nazi, or Candace Owens will become MAGA. Then fear of losing in-group status is what keeps people in line: Carlie Kirk back to toeing the party line over his audience after one phone call.

It’s a brutally effective way to prey on people where they’re vulnerable: primal fears and desires.

One Day Everyone Will Always Have Been Against This

Great quote and great reminder that I finally need to pick this book up

I don’t have enough context to say anything about this, but I will acknowledge that you said it and I didn’t know how to address it. Fired for being black? That’s extremely illegal, not that the law stops people.

https://www.axios.com/2025/09/14/black-unemployment-economy-fed

I’m white, I live in a part of my city that is 40% white, and it’s way too obvious even to me that 40% is not hurting the way the 60% is.

Rail against liberals all you want, but liberals in good faith care about what’s legal and not legal. Under the current administration, “extremely illegal” is worth a fart in the wind.

As I expected, which is why it was getting annoying watching white people go “oh no we’re going to be marginalized” like yeah, join the club, it’s not the end of the world, the rest of us are used to it, you’ll figure out how to handle it too, but more likely white privilege will still keep you insulated from the worst of it.

1000% agree, and not to be a doomer but I think white people won’t actually care until it starts getting worse for white people, and it won’t get worse for white people until it’s too late for everyone.

That’s awesome, that definitely makes me view them more positively and I wish they did that more frequently.

I have to agree with KB, because my personal experience/anecdotal evidence was the complete opposite of yours. Queer white people widely apathetic and not voting because “at least I won’t have any blood on my hands”*. Straight and queer POC voting for Kamala because while they might not agree on everything, she seems far better than the only realistic alternative, and getting just a little representation in a position of power dominated by white men is something that matters.

I don’t think rehashing the election is all the beneficial because like it or not, we’re watching the results unfold before our eyes:

Palestine is worse off, Israel has gotten bolder

POC are worse off: black people being fired from their jobs, immigrants being put into literal concentration camps

Queer white people are at about the same place, being white is enough to make you relatively safe in the current state of the administration

If anything, white privilege is making a big comeback. Kamala losing was just fine for white people, and a disaster for black and Hispanic people.

*I don’t think any adult in America can reasonably claim to have bloodless hands

I haven’t seen it, except when they promoted CJ, and basically just said, “everything he says is right, if he ever tells me I’m wrong then I’ll sit down and shut up and listen and you should too”. Which is… a very weird way to go about promoting someone. It doesn’t feel organic, it feels like trying way to hard to “I have a black friend”. Like when they made a big deal about promoting their one black employee.

And at that point CJ was already going viral on his own. There’s lots of tiny creators who would benefit so much from promotion, why promote the viral already popular creator?

I think you know way more about it than me, I didn’t follow it that closely, but my takeaway perception was different

ton of KHivers got high on the “I’m speaking” rhetoric that insisted that it was bad form to ever talk back to black liberal women

I didn’t get that vibe, so from where I’m at that feels like a bit of a meme or stereotype, but maybe there are creators who leaned into that. From the creators I followed, it was basically just, “please except that your whiteness means ignorance of what it’s really like for BIPOC in America”.

Pendleton would ask people for any evidence of the outright insane claims that were going around and they would ghost. Every time.

I saw a lot of responses. I saw some debunked and some ignored. I saw Pendleton blocking people, I saw evidence of Pendleton deleting some of their own videos to preserve their image. I saw Pendleton making very low-blow attacks trying to discredit their critics by questioning their mental wellness (this is Nazi af). Pendleton is obsessed with curating their social media image, they do frequently double down and rarely admit to an l. No saints here, Pendleton and LiberalTok were fighting in the mud together.

As for the first point, she was correct about the liberal content creators. People accused Pendleton of telling people not to vpte for Kamala including this article, but they only ever seemed to say that they, personally were not going to do it.

It wasn’t just that, Pendleton spent far, far more time going after Kamala than Trump (to this day, still seems to talk about Kamala more than President Trump when it comes to the genocide in Gaza). I think there’s reasons both good and bad that leftists will spend more attention punching up to liberals than conservatives or outright fascists, but even with the right intentions, there are real-life consequences affecting immigrants, trans people, and BIPOC. As far as I can tell, Pendleton is experiencing no material struggle in Trump’s America; I know plenty of people who are, much worse than a year ago.

None of this at all to detract from Pendleton has many great takes and informative videos and is doing good work spreading awareness about leftist theory and debunking Western propoganda. I’m being very disproportionately critical here, and that can make anyone look bad.

Just be mindful, that’s my only point. Nobody is perfect, everyone has their blind spots.

Oh yeah, Madeline has good takes on DPRK, and I agree that the Dem establishment needs to be shamed for the genocide in Gaza.

I don’t think the black community has an obsession with supporting Democrats, I think they have a real and physical need to keep their community (relatively) safe. The black community is facing real physical consequences from the Trump administration that white people don’t. Speaking as a white person, it’s easy to be a white leftist when you personally don’t have any skin in the game. It’s easy to have good geopolitical and foreign policy takes when you aren’t worried about where the next meal for your children comes from.

Leftists need to build up grassroots local victories, with community outreach and engagement. There’s definitely lots of it happening already, lots more progress needs to be made to create real grounded solidarity between marginalized groups.

Big online content creators should always be taken with some salt.

Madeleine Pendleton has some great takes, but also some underlying issues they won’t take responsibility for (like occasionally unironically using Nazi memes themselves), so just be aware - https://blaqueinthecity.com/2025/02/25/the-problem-with-madeline-pendleton/

I definitely read that as a denegration, like it’s supposed to be a gotcha: you shouldn’t want to be gay, but now you read this and it’s too late, you’re gay, gottem.

Even if it’s all “in-group” there can still be internalized homophobia and transphobia (I still catch myself with it too), so I wouldn’t consider gay jokes to be automatically okay just because it’s from someone LGBTQ+. The context and audience are extremely important.

Tyler knew his audience was law enforcement, which is traditionally homophobic, so I read it as being a try at edgy ragebait.

Luigi bullet casings: clever, poignant in meaning, suggests he is well read and well developed in his ideology

Tyler bullet casings: low effort meme slop, no coherent ideology

It’s actually completely consistent with how the right often acts as a bizarro or distorted mirror reaction to the left. Like he wanted so badly to be the next Luigi, without understanding what exactly made Luigi so important and so popular. Irony shrouding how his social understanding only goes skin deep.

Even if we’re celebrating the poetic demise of Charlie Kirk, none of us out here celebrating Tyler like we did Luigi.

And I’m not pointing fingers at anyone with this, but leftists CONSTANTLY make gay jokes. I see it all the time, and I’ve noticed because, it made/makes me feel weird.

At least in my circles, the gay jokes are different in way that’s extremely important: being gay is fun and cool and a flex, not a denegration.

Fascists always eat their own.

Put every effort in to suck off fascists, they’ll still throw you under the bus at the first opportune moment.

That’s my take on it. Americans don’t like real war, they like bullying much smaller, much poorer nations that have little capability to fight back. America will get its fix by continuing to bully people within its own borders, immigrants, BIPOC, LGBTQ+, shitting its own guts out until it’s an emaciated shadow of its former self.

I was at work when I announced that Charlie Kirk was dead, everyone stood up and cheered, my boss (wiping his tears of happiness away) presented me with a Powerade bottle full of this own piss and asked me to spread it all over Charlie’s grave for him. Then the CEO showed up and gave us all the rest of the day off (paid) and then even took us out to femboy hooters afterwards, which was running a special “Charlie Kirk” happy hour. America is truly healing.

Charlie Kirk has a whole YouTube channel filled with irrefutable truth that he is a bigot and a fascist.

Charlie Kirk, because he’s a fascist, when assassinated IS SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT to government and media. Charlie Kirk didn’t just have fascist values, Charlie Kirk was close to the inner circle of fascist power in the US.

People who are not close to the inner circle of fascists do not matter. Their deaths do not matter. Their assassinations do not matter.

“We are all Charlie Kirk” LMFAO no you’re not. You’re not in the inner circle, you’re just another working class schmuck like the rest of us, butwith the taste of fascist leather all over your tongue because you think enough licking of fascist boots will eventually earn you a spot on the inner circle as well. It won’t. You’re nothing to them, you’re disposable.