Break the left’s solidarity
This is one of the only places I’ve seen where MLs and Anarchists get along
That is because these libs think they are part of the left. And solidarity means a one way street of leftists supporting and not criticizing liberals, while libs not having any obligations to anyone left of them.
Freedom of criticism etc etc. It’s been how many decades?
No, not like that.
I think it’s because, early on, those on the mod team, and many people who were initially shaping Hexbear didn’t want this to be a pure theory circlejerk.
I mean, the ML wreckers used to say I was an Anarkiddie, and the anarchists said I was Red Fash.
I feel like this is the only time the centrist mantra “If you’re pissing off both sides, your doing something right!” Is ever actually correct. But I’ve always advocated for an end to capitalism first, then we can have our stupid quibbles on what our new society will look like.
For now, just be open to anybody who is on the left and more interested in IRL organizing and dank left wing memes over whatever Ideological costume they want to wear.
The important thing is that the society we strive to create when all is said and done is the same. The difference between an anarchist and an ML is strategy, not a fundamental disagreement about the way the ideal society would look. As long as the MLs here would be willing to support anarchists if they’re the ones leading a movement, and the anarchists would be willing to join a ML party, then I don’t see any reason we should be bickering.
For my part, as an anarchist, I’ve been in contact with the PSL reps closest to me. They just don’t have a branch in my specific area. If they did I’d be a member.
Something to keep in mind is that anarchism and marxism-leninism are fundamentally in opposition. I love my anarchist comrades and I am very open to finding solutions that do not involve bloodshed (obviously) but one of us seeks to wield the state and the other seeks to destroy it. Anarchism is a threat to the proletarian state and has proven itself to be so in the past.
I do honestly think though, as Amerikkka and the Western powers generally are likely going to be the last to overthrough their capitalists, it is very possible that peaceful solutions to this contradiction will be clearer.
I’ve always thought an autonomous anarchist territory within the geographic region of a socialist state would be cool
They do not have to be in direct opposition, as long as anarchist comrades recognize that the bourgeois state is a fundementally larger impediment to the disintegration of the state than the proletariatian state.
The issue fundementally arises from the fact that, much like most Western communist parties were built with only active academic and activist communist strains that opposed AES at the forefront, so too have the majority of Western anarchist groups been grown with a larger opposition to AES than the actual bourgeois state they existed in, because all strands of Western leftism is infected with either settler-colonial ideology or psy-ops bullshit.
We are, imo, just now starting to really come around, where real international communist and anarchist ideologies are coming to the forefront of the left in the West (albeit extremely slowly), due to the lack of resources being pushed explicitly into the left (or more likely because they are trying to get us to commit treason colluding with a foreign government, typical psy-op shit, but it’s just a gut feeling).
We have yet to even know if the black and red in the West have any real reason to oppose each other. It may be the case that the western state can only be smashed.
one of us seeks to wield the state and the other seeks to destroy it.
All communists seek to destroy the state. In ML terms the part where you’re talking about “wielding the state” is called socialism and it is only a stepping stone to the actual goal (communism) that is identical to the goal of anarchists.
Yeah for sure, it’s just that the socialist period tends to cause trouble between us. I’d really rather find some way to peacefully avoid that trouble which would be amiable to all of us. I think to leave that contradiction unrecognized is dangerous.
Political organs that involve both anarchist and communists are necessary for handling this contradiction. To be clear
finding solutions that do not involve bloodshed (obviously)
Like for real. Other than the involvement in USA color revolutions what have any of us actually done. Now we are talking about bloodshed. Hey you don’t gotta like everybody but… something must be done and the culture needs to shift and it needs to stick. A lot of people are over socialized. Even in their little groups were they bicker and fuck each other. Too much government. Too much drama. I like the government that fucks off. We got ass loads of government these daze. It is a matter of ratios and proportions. You gotta smash the state to build a better foundation. My delusions of grandeur got me good.
I’ve always thought an autonomous anarchist territory within the geographic region of a socialist state would be cool
You can go there and gamble hahaha… within reason of cource
Pushing back slightly, anarchist society and end-stage Marxist communist society are in some ways opposites. Anarchism points towards a decentralized link of communalist cells, whereas Marxist communism points towards full collectivization across the world economy, run along a scientific and collective plan. Is every man a master, or is humanity itself the master? This is the distinction the end-stage generally sees.
I do agree that MLs and anarchists can work together to achieve similar immediate goals.
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the ML wreckers used to say I was an Anarkiddie, and the anarchists said I was Red Fash.
And the brilliant minds at Hexbear synthesized a compromise slur: Bread Fash
I feel like this is the only time the centrist mantra “If you’re pissing off both sides, your doing something right!” Is ever actually correct
Only another such instance:
I could not disagree more. I think both anarchists and marxists have valid philosophical points but they are compatible only in practical cooperation and not in a philosophical way. Idealism and Materialism don’t mix. Having both mad at you is still bad.
I doubt most serious anarchists would label themselves idealists and non materialists
Regardless of what they would label themselves, anarchism is an idealist ideology
this is too broad of a claim. some anarchist tendencies have idealist elements, some are explicitly materialist. the most influential practical expressions of anarchism have been entirely grounded in material organizing. they had plenty of their own issues and shortcomings, but all revolutionary states are going to while under siege from capitalism. siege shapes the besieged.
ummmmmm I just can’t… reverse uno card on your ass
Site redirects and reloads itself every 3s, can’t read it
sorry. the capitalists at medium banned that user so it’s only the wayback that I can find. it requires disabling javascript using something like ublock origin during the reload
(I should probably transcribe it into a hexbear post)
right… tired of getting pushed around… woot woot
you are both fucking idealist… Now the world is as a whole a capitalist hell tipping into the abyss. It is the spirit of the law and the nature of the leadership that is most important. Imagine being a small piece of meat ripped apart by two angry dogs. I think you all are reactionaries. I also think libturds and conservahogs are too. Tell me how do you build a bridge. Then we can talk.
spirit of the law
nature of the leadership
you are idealist (not me)
Incoherent gibberish
Sometimes 😏
“The left’s solidarity” in this user’s mind means liberals, not actual leftists.
“Can you believe that they want to overthrow rich people? That isn’t left wing at all!” -That user, subconsciously.
Who are also trying to rebrand bluemaga as trump supporters instead of dems supporters acting like trump supporters
“breaking solidarity” means not voting for kamala
Leave it to liberals to accuse a website full of queer socialists of being fascist, just because they don’t agree with your state department approved talking points. 🤡
George Orwell did a doozy on the Western mind
I not gay. Do I not belong?
Full of not only nevermind
You’re actually the gayest user we have, you just don’t know it yet.
Me fr :3
(im the queer socialist)
Hey look, the bottom one is that asshole that came in here to argue for liberal politicians multiple times
you know how little it narrows it down
“Argue” is a strong word, they never listened to anyone and were only interested in finger wagging and solipsism.
Love your user name.
c/askacanadian
What are the first signs of a hostile fascist take over a fediverse instance?
Sunshine @piefed.ca
previous comment:
Latvians need to build more manufacturing in their country to stand up to China’s enabling of Russia!
If anyone is going to be able to recreate China’s manufacturing and supply chains it is Latvia!
Latvia ? That place Dr.Doom is from ?
well they’ve got all those robots and magic (???) to help out so it should be a slam dunk
Latvia had manufacturing, but it was destroyed post-1991, because it relied on cooperation with other Soviet republics. RAF is gone, RVR is gone, even fish canning industry that Latvia was famous for is now almost dead.
raising this issue always made it hard to trust this user
fascism is when you are mean to me
Fascism is when they call me a racist, sexist, homophobe or transphobe. Or tell me that voting for a war criminal means you’re supporting a war criminal.
Supporting a war criminal=not supporting a war criminal
Not supporting a war criminal=supporting a war criminal
Fascism is when you want to actually punch a fascist rather than
All this punching. Lets tie em up like a cowboy… or gurl… Take em out to the desert late at night with the coyotes howling and release them. If they don’t stop straight to the breaking wheel
“
” seems a bit inappropriate when there’s double digits of people in here talking about some random guy saying “I don’t like Hexbear” with less than two dozen upvotes on an instance i don’t even think we’re federated withSLOP actually stands for “Some Loser On Piefed”
Hahahah I laughed and had to explain to the guy sitting next to me what was so funny but he called me a tankie
This time, it’s personal. Pretty sure all three of these have been visitors here and made an ass of themselves at least once or twice.
We should limit c/slop to ‘known individuals’ only and not ‘low-hanging fruit’ of lemmyverse drama and shallow ‘dunks’. I’ll put this to the mods I’m sure it’ll go over well
I quite enjoy the lemmyverse drama, but it should be limited to top-level posts about us unless we contain it to a dedicated comm.
HAHAHA I DON’T CARE THAT THEY’RE MAKING FUN OF ME HAHAHA IT’S ACTUALLY SAD
? it isn’t me in the screenshot
(me agree with you)
If you don’t support western imperialist wars you are a fascist, actually.
You almost had me fooled Hexbear
Gotcha
Their idea of “the left’s solidarity” is feigning reluctance while just voting for genocidaires and doing nothing else. We get in the way of that slightly so we must be fascists.
When I first joined Lemmy I saw the warnings and I thought to myself, “man those guys must be jerks I better watch out for them!”
Turns out those guys were dumb and you guys are awesome!
They really are setting themselves up for failure long term because the more lurid and sensational their stories about us get, the more they fall apart when you observe one of us being boring and normal for 5 minutes
Hexbear to libs:
Hexbear to hexbear:
🤣
You’d think that, but unfortunately if making up absurdly ridiculous and insultingly stupid stories about the communists didn’t work, people wouldn’t fall for the nonsense about China or the DPRK, or the USSR or any socialist country. Anti-communism relies on people being trained to actively reject what their eyes and ears tell them and just believe made up stories instead, completely detached from reality, because that makes it much harder to reach them and educate them.
they were like that about the subreddit too, and now we all have nametags
Yeah sometimes I consider making an alt on another instance to try to be a bit more like Cowbee and take time to educate the libs but 1) that is exhausting and I prefer spending that energy face to face, and 2) I love that just our instance tag makes people lose their shit.
Same lmao
Whoa, user DjangoFett thinks we are fascists after a public crashout where they not only called us Nazis for generally supporting China (because they think they are totally immune to propaganda unlike us because we don’t just believe that China randomly persecutes religious minorities because the Western media tells us), but also were generally rude and completely full of themselves?
Color me shocked. They wouldn’t know a fascist if one pissed on their shoes, as long as the Western media told them is was a little old nationalist freedom fighter.
They wouldn’t know a fascist if one pissed on their shoes, as long as the Western media told them is was a little old nationalist freedom fighter.
If they did, they’d be thanking them for their service before then going “but all sides bad though, so I’m not biased.”
This is code for “they were mean to me personally”
