Its also not hard to appear sensible when your subject is frothing at the mouth while committing genocide.
You said that, what about your/our supposed political champion president biden? How is he on the genocide?
Or any of the fucking rest of them but the very few exceptions even guys I thought I liked like what’s his name from Oregon Ron Wyden turns out he’s a piece of shit too.
Biden was forced down our throats, after stealing the nom from Bernie for the 2nd election in a row.
A Bernie presidency would have had nothing to do with genocide. He would have guaranteed Trump got routed from politics before he had a chance to fill the swamp, had Bernie not been screwed by Hillary in 2016.
Our champion was never allowed to lift off, because the Dems wouldn’t let him. Many of those Dems are proud AIPAC shills, so let that sink in.
Nobody “championed” Biden. Nice strawman.
Oh Come now, this is not my first day on the internet. Half of everybody pretends like the Democrats are doing a good job cuz they think that’s the way to win.
Even when Biden was in power, no one liked Biden. He was the compromise Blue Dogs forced on us because the idea of someone who might actually try to do something productive for a change instead of talking in circles chilled them to the very bone.
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Half of everybody? Which half? Is it a top half vs bottom half thing, or a left half vs right half thing? Ooo, or front half vs back half! Actually I think you’re right, my ass is a shitlib! Thank god my face is a commie so it balances out.
My stank bone betrayed us all
It certainly seems like it’s your first day on the internet, or more like you’re really fucking dumb and very much nitpick your views of what is said online to fit your agenda. I have never seen a generally agreed “the dems are doing good” view online, it’s all about them just being the lesser evil. Biden was only voted on to not have the absolute shit stain that trump is as president.
Do the two of you have some sort of longstanding beef, or are you just making a wild assumption about this commenter…?
It looks like they’re just angry and not too bright.
OP never said a word about Biden. Stop it with the whataboutism.
By the time the primaries came to my state there wasn’t anyone else to vote for.
MTG is absolutely an antisemite and not someone we need to give more airtime too. Don’t care if she’s railing against people I don’t like.
PERFECT use of that meme format! 😘👌🏼
There are a bunch of rich pedophiles with guns pointed at you just out of frame. Play nice for a with the with the crazy antisemite, use her, do not sit there prognosticating on how your farts smell and how much MTG and JK Rowling suck.
No, do not
Because Greene and other right-wing anti-Semites are using you much more than you’re using them.
They want views, they want attention, they want a left-wing audience, because that gives them more people to recruit and more opportunities to spread their racist, bigoted, generally shitty views.
And everybody’s attention span is finite. The more space the left gives to Greene, and Carlson, and other right-wing propagandists, the less space is available for actual Palestinians and their advocates to speak. We need to hear from the people most impacted by Israel’s actions, not from racists jumping on the anti-Israel bandwagon because they hate Jews.
You are not immune to propaganda. Nobody is. So don’t platform right-wing propagandists. KTHX.
You die with your ideals intact. I shall… Forget you entirely in a day
That sounds very sexual and disgusting because it’s about Marjorie Taylor Greene, no thank you. I gagged irl.
Can’t even do something so basic as flipping a useful idiot. The DNC is truely hopeless. Spineless, idealistic children pretending this is a fairytale that will work out if you stick to your ideals, work hard and believe in the power of friendship
She already flipped. That doesn’t mean we have to talk to her or be around her, because it’s super fresh. We should only do that after she has repaired most of the damage she has done, but the toll is massive, and she still holds and announces a lot of stupid ideals that cause damage to innocent people right now. Remember she did this just 5 years ago and her attitude about any of that hasn’t really changed. (It’s that video of her harassing a school shooting survivor). She still does and says shit like that, it’s so fresh.
The fact you want to “include her in the table” just because she changed her opinion in one single thing for a few weeks is insane. It comes across as you trying to sabotage the people, as if you want them to let their guard down, become easy to manipulate and so on. Introduce more Fettermans, trojan horses. Not saying that’s what you are doing, I do understand your position, you are not bad, you are forgiving quickly, that takes a lot of strength after seeing what these MAGAs have said and done every holy day since 2016, including the thousands of hundreds of deaths their greed and policies have caused. I’m just gonna say: be attentive. These people are psychopaths and decent enough at acting.
And if you use whataboutism with Graham Platner, it won’t hit the same. Platner has shown growth for over a decade. What he did in the past is heavy, it’s difficult to forgive, but we still need to learn how to measure redemption properly; we can’t hold grudges forever. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep an eye on Platner if he wins. The moment he begins to show us that he lied, the people should bring justice and stop him asap. We just have to normalize that healthy and obligatory level of aggression we need as a society to be able to put corruption in jail as soon as it shows its face, before it corrupts its surroundings.
Let her do her thing; if you agree with what she is saying, do not interfere. If she says something insane, criticize it. We shouldn’t let her influence us, though. I’d highlight the word “influence,” it’s different from listening, which we can and should do, as long as it is productive and not her usual bullshit, which again, hasn’t changed much yet. That’s all.
The only sensible thing in your comment is the first sentence.
If you can’t get along with or make use of an enemy long enough to deal with an existential threat to all life on earth we’re doomed
What part of “the California wildfires were started by space lasers controlled by the Jews” was antiemetic? /s (because we’re are living in that kind of timeline)
How many antisemmies does one earn if they subscribe to the conspiracy theory that the laser wasn’t controlled by space Jews, just built by space Jews?
Lets be honest they havent paid her and she’s salty thats all this is
I agree, but she’s still useful. We shouldn’t just give up that utility because she’s a horrible person. The other side is doing whatever they can to hold on to power, and we need to use whatever we can to stop them. Being too pure is how we let them take power in the first place.
she’s still useful. We shouldn’t just give up that utility because she’s a horrible person.
Idk, that strategy can definitely backfire. I’m sure significant chunks of the GOP regretted backing the ‘useful idiot’ Trump once he grew too powerful to control. Maybe what we should do with their conspiracy theorists, grifters and propagandists, is starve them of attention?
Being too pure is how we let them take power in the first place.
Was it though? Was Biden too pure? Or are you saying that this all comes down to “PC culture”?
I really fear this angle. “we can use her” will effectively sane-wash this person and make her seem more reasonable to the less informed voters. I don’t want a MTG presidency.
Never mind the GOP. Hillary fucking Clinton spent millions of dollars promoting Trump in the run up to the 2016 election, because she wanted to make the Republicans look more radical and dangerous, and Trump was the most radical, dangerous candidate in the race.
Thanks, Hillary. Good call.
I guess you’re referring to this?
Hillary Clinton 2016 presidential campaign (Wikipedia):
In a review of Clinton’s 32 general election TV ads, the Associated Press found that 24 of those ads show or mention Trump. The majority of those 24 ads feature raw footage of him rather than others opining on his words and actions.
Interestingly, the title of the mentioned AP article is “Clinton’s ‘nasty’ Trump ads are mostly his own words” - it doesn’t criticize the campaign’s choice at all.
Maybe what we should do with their conspiracy theorists, grifters and propagandists, is starve them of attention?
That is not something we can control. That’s in them, not us.
Was it though? Was Biden too pure? Or are you saying that this all comes down to “PC culture”?
He was too “safe” for sure. The left rarely is willing to get it’s hands dirty. The right always is. They will use anything when it’s useful to them, no matter how dirty it may be. If there’s a tool that’s useful to us, we need to be willing to pick it up.
Now, this all should be couched in language like “if the crazy space lazer lady understood this, you should be able to.” It should always be reminding them she’s insane, just that they must be too if she’s this far ahead of them.
Useful how? Harris was wrong to spend so many resources trying to attract Republicans that she thought could be swayed away from Trump. She converted very few voters, and lost a lot of voters on the left. Why should we repeat that same mistake?
Using MTG aligns you with an antisemite, and if it attracts anyone to your cause, it will be more antisemites.
Not trying to attract them. To spread apathy. We need to point out that even his craziest supporters can see through him. The only ones not speaking out are the ones benefiting from it.
If they don’t want to support a candidate on the left, that’s fine. We need to just make them not vote. The right has trolls constantly saying people shouldn’t vote for any Democrat candidate, no matter how closely they align with their views. Even AOC isn’t enough seemingly. We need to be willing to spread the same apathy to them.
She absolutely is, but in this instance she is taking about Israel and she is right.
There’s that insistence of Israel to equate Israel as the same thing as Jews and then when someone criticizes policies of the country call it anti semitism.
The very word anti-semite kind of makes you suspect, Semitic peoples include the Arabs that is truth. So you are like tooled?
That’s not what antisemite means, as you should well know:
Antisemitism or Jew-hatred is hostility to, prejudice towards, or discrimination against Jews. A person who harbours it is called an antisemite.
Languge doesn’t always make perfect logical sense.
First of all, @SalmiakDragon@feddit.nu is right. That’s not what antisemitism means.
Second, what could possibly give you the idea that MTG isn’t also bigoted towards Arabic people as well as Jewish people?
She hates Jewish people. I hate the Israeli government and the horrid Nazi things they’re doing. We are not the same, Marjorie.
I also don’t look like a horse that got kicked in the face by another horse.
See also: Tucker Carlson. Who has been aggressively attacking the Israeli government on Gaza, not because he gives a shit about Muslim lives, but because he’s an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist. He thinks Jews want to murder all Gentiles, his beliefs come straight from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and every heinous act the government of Israel commits reinforces his belief that all Jews are evil.
And he, and Greene, and the rest of the right wing fever swamp conspiracy theorists, are fucking delighted that the American left is turning against Israel, because it gives them a new audience to try and recruit into genuine hardcore anti-Semitism.
The enemy of my enemy, in this case, is not my friend. You want to platform voices speaking against the Israeli government? Platform Palestinian voices. Don’t give racist trash like Greene a single additional view.
You’re not agreeing with her, she’s agreeing with you.
MTG wants every brown muslim put in a concentration camp for extermination. She only cares that christians have been killed by Israel and that they’re ‘tricking’ trump into fucking his 2nd term up.
Any leftist who falls for her bullshit is a brainless proto-chud
proto-chud
Short for “protocols of the elders of Zion-chud”
PEZ-chud for short
The fact that you’re pointing out, Marjorie, is not an anti-Semitic conspiracy.
That doesn’t mean all your other anti-semitic conspiracies are true though.
Yo, fuck Israel for making me agree with MTG.
You’re not agreeing with her, she’s agreeing with you.
I appreciate you but it doesn’t make it feel less dirty.
Did MTG and Fetterman have some kind of Freaky Friday body swap?
Marjorie is very much still on message. Shes 100% an anti-semite. She’s just trying to obfuscate her antisemitism through the current discourse over AIPAC.
And the people who elected her to office are set to hire someone just as bad to take her place.
Being against Israel committing genocide and wrecking a people through forced colonization (AKA Zionism) doesn’t make you an anti-semite but thinking that Jews are behind all the bad things in the world does count as antisemitism. And her record is painted RED with with such antisemitic rhetoric.
Fetterman had a stroke and its really a well known phenomenon that a stroke (or any heavy brain trauma) can completely change a person’s personality.
Taking issue with your legislature being manipulated by a foreign power is not anti.Semitic just because that foreign power is Jewish. If it were Saudi Arabia it wouldn’t be Islamophobic either.
Right. That still doesn’t change her record of actual antisemitism, which is the point they’re making.
Fetterman’s views didn’t swap until about 1.5-2 years after his stroke. Its an easy explanation, but it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.
I think the AIPAC just got to him. They are very good at what they do.
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but MTG could’ve prevented half of that by not resigning.
Also, one wonders if she’s going to put her money where her mouth is and campaign for Shawn Harris (the Democrat running against Fuller).
No, shes trying to make statements like this so she can run for Senate. ‘See im not a maga lunatic anymore!’
Marjorie Taylor Greenwood would be a huge improvement over a lot of senators we could have from Georgia.
I mean I prefer Warnock and I don’t remember the other one but it could be a lot worse.
Georgia is fixing their elections though in case you didn’t realize that.
Uhm, did you see her in the house? The woman is batshit insane.
From what I’ve heard her district is so deep red campaigning for the Democrat means nothing. Which is why she resigned when she started getting death threats, this is deep red deep deep red country. No fucking chance of a Democrat getting elected, not these fucking Democrats.
To be fair, the district is right next to a bunch of blue districts in GA.
Georgia is an interesting place, one County can be nice and you go to the next County over and they’re Nazis. Did you know that prohibition never ended in some places in the south and that includes a lot of places in Georgia probably Marjorie Taylor Green’s District I bet they don’t sell liquor in the county. Fucking cunts.
Radical Jewish extremism is destroying America, never thought I’d see the day.
Zionism is just another White Supremacist belief (just look up how Israel treats Black Jews from Ethiopia if you have any doubt that their beliefs of ethnic superiority are only for Whites).
It makes total sense that the power elites of the country which was created by White European “colonists” genociding Indian Tribes and using Blacks as slaves, love all forms of White Supremacism.
America, like Germany, shows that the ways of thinking about other human beings which were the foundation that supported the ideologies that did their most henious acts, never changed in the minds of the power elites, even when whatever ideology sitting on top of those foundations was blamed for those acts and swept away.
Anyone who has witnessed and experienced Israeli tourists knows how racist they are. Especially when they are in a non-western country.
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All religions have their extremists, no one hesitates to point out the Christian and Muslim ones. We should be honest when those in other religions fall into this camp, especially when they’re committing genocide.
Yeah fair enough, you were actually pretty careful with your words and on second reading I can’t find fault with them.
actually pretty careful with your words
well if you really wanted to nitpick, you could ask if there is moderate extremism 😂
“bought two congressional seats” is where I have the problem. Doesn’t matter who they bought them for.
Well that’s the crux of the issue. Massie wanted them to have to register as foreign lobbyists like every single other country on earth.
MTG’s track record on Israel is getting more and more reliably correct.
But that track record starts and stops at Israel.
She is still a cunt on almost every other issue.
MTG’s track record on Israel is getting more and more reliably correct.
I don’t believe her for a second. She started off with space lasers and now that there’s something real and obvious she can blame on (((THEM))) she’s taking the opportunity. But even if AIPAC exploded tomorrow she’d go back to pushing racist conspiracy theories because she’s a massive racist piece of shit.
Unless I missed it she said she got fooled by Dump (never mind that it took her a decade to realize that raping kids was bad, good job Marge, here’s your fucking cookie), not that she was wrong about her past racism.
MTG’s track record on Israel is getting more and more reliably correct.
MTG is a brazen opportunistm who never believed half the populist shit she said. She will say whatever benefits her in the moment. If AIPAC knocked on her door tomorrow with enough funding, she would turn on a dime.
The antisemites are adopting the language and style of the anti-Zionist left to sane-wash their delusional beliefs. Don’t fall for it.
If the Rightwing was in any way form or shape genuine, they would’ve long been calling Traitor any elected representative in their nation which openly represented a different nation.
In countries like the US and the UK the Traitor ball is right there, in the open, ready to score for any Nationalist or even Patriot politician and has been there for more than a decade.
It shows just how many of the flag-shaggers are in fact frauds (doubtlessly many being Traitors themselves) rather than Nationalists or Patriots, that they refuse to score such an obvious open.
I have to wonder if she would say the same thing about any other organizations donating large sums of money to candidates. The issue is more broad than just pro-Israel groups.
Equivocating
Are those groups also bribing politicians to put a foreign nation’s interests before America’s to then vote on giving that foreign nation free money and planes and arms and weapons of mass destruction when they know they are going to use them to deliberately target little babies and children
Fucking hell
GIVE YOUR FUCKING HEAD A FUCKING WOBBLE
Israel needs to be put right back in it’s fucking box
If a few American Zionists are upset by that fuck em, FUCK THEM
Equivocating
Are those groups also bribing politicians to put a foreign nation’s interests before America’s to then vote on giving that foreign nation free money and planes and arms and weapons of mass destruction when they know they are going to use them to deliberately target little babies and children
Fucking hell
GIVE YOUR FUCKING HEAD A FUCKING WOBBLE
Israel needs to be put right back in it’s fucking box
If a few American Zionists are upset by that fuck em, FUCK THEM
Ok
To equivocate means to deliberately use vague, ambiguous, or misleading language to conceal the truth or avoid committing to a definitive stance.
Not sure where I did that.
I simply pondered if MTG would denounce all forms of large organizations “donating” money to advance their own personal interests over the interests of others. Is she against Facebook lobbying congress with large sums of money to help influence law makers into making decisions that benefit Facebook? Or does she not really care about the issue and only cares about Israel doing it? She has shown her feelings about Israel in the past and they aren’t good.
Please note that I have not said one word regarding my views on Israel whatsoever. And I have not said one word about my views on Israel’s actions. Hell my post has nothing to do with Israel, besides it being mentioned in MTG’s post. My post is about MTG and speculating about her intentions behind the post.
Now in case you still feel I am “equivocating” here, I’ll help clear this up. I am against what Israel has done since Hamas attacked them. Israel (the country) has gone too far in its response and performed crimes against humanity. Those in power who made the decisions that have been made need to arrested, charged, and prosecuted for their crimes. I am against the US providing Israel with weapons that are used to kill and maim innocent people. I find the actions Israel has taken to be disgusting, inhumane, and reprehensible. I know a nation has a right to defend itself, but what Israel has done is well beyond defending itself.
That doesn’t change my thoughts on MTG and this post of her’s though. She’s an opportunistic politician who will use whatever issue is at hand to push her own opinions on others. If it fits her narrative she will jump on it, but if something similar occurs and she is not against it she will keep her mouth shut about it. I am not saying she is wrong in this post, I am just reminding everyone of who she is and to take anything she says or does within that context.
