He was a radical dissident that was killed by the government for criticizing them and for agitating the masses with his speeches.
Totally not political.
Even worse… He was a radical dissident that was killed by reactionaries in his own community. Even the Romans were like… You guys sure about this?
The whole pilate not wanting to execute jesus and the crowd shouting for clemency for barabas instead was probably added later to make christianity more palatable to the romans who didn’t want to see themselves as the villains
I mean… Who hasn’t wanted to edit their works of fiction at some point or another?
Jesus, the real guy as depicted in the bible, would have taken a whip to your average chud to drive them out of the temple. But today modern anglo heretics use Jesus as a blank slate to project their fucked up shit onto.
Bible Jesus wouldnt approve of like…aby of this but he also thought the world was gonna end innlike 30 years max. Apocalypticism was huge amongst jews at the time, like Beatlemania. Dude eas badically preaching to that Christmas is coming up soon and Santa is warching bt that parents do but with God ans the end times. If he thought shit was gonna keep going another couple thousand years he probably would have acted very different.
he was definitely executed by the Roman state, that the Jews did it has no historical support
I was working within the framework of the Bible, the vast majority of which has very little to no historical support.
fair enough, I was thinking of the historical dude
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No serious historian thinks that. Jesus was definitely a real dude who was really a religious leader and really got crucified.
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The bible is also Roman propaganda
Majority is a pretty bold statement. There are aspects without historical support, jews were most likely never Egyptian slaves and were probably a sect within the Canaanites that grew to dominance. I woild say that literal divine intervention is ahistorical, but while for sure skewed to the side of the writers, there is a solid amoimt of historical support behind the broad strokes of events in the Bible. The specifics and the god stuff isnprivsvlt made up but to say the vast majority has no historical support is absurd.
The majority of the new testament is personal testimony that was handed down by word of mouth for generations before actually being written down…
that the Jews did it has no historical support
??? why does so much indicating that pontius pilate was being pressured by Jewish leaders come up when i google it
Because it really seems like the state executed him… at the behest of local reactionaries
The local compradors didn’t have control over the Roman state apparatus by virtue of being colonized subjects. Pilate indeed had Jesus’s blood on his hands and no amount of making a public spectacle by washing his hands changes this. The only person who outranked Pilate was the Roman emperor himself, which meant everything fell on his shoulders. He could’ve just freed Jesus and there was no one there to stop him because Pilate had a Roman legion under his command while the Judean compradors didn’t.
He could’ve just freed Jesus and there was no one there to stop him because Pilate had a Roman legion under his command while the Judean compradors didn’t
According to this shit he had 6k soldiers in a city of 2.5 million so uhhhh i don’t think things work the way youse guys do
Simply put, the article you link is wrong. 2.5 million number should have been a big red flag, actual estimates for the population of Jerusalem in those times are 20 to 30 thousand, swelling to 100,000 or more during the passover festival but still an order of magnitude lower than that article is claiming.
I picked one link that wasn’t a reddit thread because I assumed the BBC is an actual source, i don’t care enough to go through all this shit but my point was “there was no one there to stop him” is false whether it’s 2.5 million or 100k. I also see tons of nerds arguing over the estimate of the actual strength of his army, I see one nerd claim he’d only have an auxiliary cohort of 600 “but could call on herod’s army of around 3000 if necessary but that would have been politically awkward”
There is no set of numbers im seeing here where “the romans can just do whatever the fuck they want and pontius pilate should have absolutely 0 concern over unrest” is guaranteed
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Most people supported or were apathetic towards Jesus because Jesus was just some random dude up until that point, or a charismatic dude who performed miracles if we take the gospel as gospel (lol). Going by history, Jesus was just some dude who most people wouldn’t care about one way or another and going by the gospels, Jesus was a charismatic miracle worker who most people liked because of his miracles.
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The amount of people who genuinely wanted Jesus dead probably numbered in what, several hundreds at best. An entire Roman legion is shaking in their sandals over several hundred unarmed Judeans who really wanted some dude dead but lacked the initiative to just form a lynch mob and string him up a tree.
The amount of people who genuinely wanted Jesus dead probably numbered in what, several hundreds at best
Yea but which several hundreds, and how influential were they
An entire Roman legion
I found a shitty source with bad numbers and then another shitty source that questions him even having a legion so could you give me at least an equivalently shitty source that he even did?
several hundred unarmed Judeans who really wanted some dude dead but lacked the initiative to just form a lynch mob
What if several hundred influential judeans who wanted him dead were pissed off at that not happening and then used any number of reasons to rile up many thousands of others in revolt, or what if pontius pilate was made to credibly fear that result even if it weren’t likely
Why was he arrested btw because idk it seems like there’d a reason for that since nameless nobodies don’t just stumble onto a crucifix
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What are you seeing that’s indicating that? What’s understood about the hospital Jesus is very slim. He was a Galilean Jewish apocalyptic preacher. He was baptized by John the Baptist. He was crucified by the Roman state. Beyond that, nothing is certain. He probably has disciples. He was probably a miracle worker as was typical of his time. He probably caused some kind of stir at the Temple. That’s about it.
Shit like this stating as fact that pontius pilate was worried about unrest and rioting if he didn’t crucify him
of all the legit things to be critical of the pope/papacy about, the fact that he’s generally anti-war is so instructive.
they can excuse the hierarchy, the wealth, the secrecy, the persecution of women, LGBTQ+, the protecting of child abusers, the gatekeeping, the rich history of violence, murder, and betrayal against those that most need protection, the fascist collaboration, etc, etc.
but being against war and bombing of cities… well, hold the phone.
i try to avoid believing in actual, literal evil but so many of these people seem to worship it.
I mean geez, why couldn’t we get one of those Crusader popes? Those guys were all about war. /s
Jesus was white and was crucified in a spontaneous act of a anti white hate crime
It’s hilarious that modern day Christian nationalists don’t realize that they are exactly the people who crucified Jesus the first time or that they would immediatly do it again if he showed up today.
Makes me almost wish I was a Christian cause it would give me hope that these awful fuckers would face the ultimate embarrassment in the afterlife.
i don’t think they would ever internalize it
he was the first victim of the white genocide in south africa
Dont make Hegseth tap the sign
Thou shalt not kill
WHY’D YOU MAKE IT FUCKIN’ POLITICALIn all likelyhood he was a random doomsday preacher who was made a legend by the unknown gospel authors and Paul.
For the century after the Maccabees there were probably so many doomsday preachers named Joshua that everyone might have been talking about different guys and not realized it
They were talking about the same guy but it could have just as easily been a different similar guy.
at some point that’s like saying Paul Bunyan was based on a tall guy with the foot thing and it just got out of hand in retellings.
Jesus was a 5’4", brown-skin socialist
Nothin’ like the white man on that crucifix
The truth is there, you just won’t notice it.
Grandson - Little White Lies
Jesus was a 5’4
What if god was one of us
Mighty big talk from someone claiming to be God’s mouthpiece
It takes a certain kind of testicular fortitude to name yourself after the Jewish angel who writes down the words of the lord to simultaneously whine about wokeness in video games and how others are doing Christianity wrong. I’m not saying it’s hubris, but it’s not not hubris.
It’s true Jesus was maga he even had the hat, it was recently found in a dig site.
oh fuck, not this guy
go back to crying about politics in vidya or better yet larping as a roman soldier and talking about ancient historyAm I ever so glad that I stopped using Youtube before all the history and medieval creators went mask off in their fascism. It still hurts my soul that I at some point actually watched videos by people like him or Shad Brooks before I got politically literate.
oh yea, this guy, Sad Brook and Lindybeige were all my main medieval history stuff folks when I was a dumb lib, now thankfully I’ve improved to the Polysword Arts and the pole dancing elf to get my sword lesbian kicks
Just as I am continuously baffled that people keep being surprised and disappointed that the pope is catholic, the fact that the internet keeps being surprised that protestants don’t put stock in the word of the pope is genuinely shocking.
The pope’s word doesn’t and shouldn’t carry any weight to protestants, that’s their whole thing.
Raise the shieldwall noble ones!
as a former catholic i hate how this new discourse has me defending Catholicism now
but these chuds are just making it so easy. making me have thoughts on how i’d love to lead a new inquisition until they are quickly dismissed
I know, I’m weekly fighting off intrusive thoughts to do entryism into the fucking catholic church
there is a collectivist streak and a “praise god by doing service to others” in some churches. at least there used to be.
my grandfather admired the Jesuits and liberation theology and was otherwise a bog standard lib catholic. but i think there’s a brick wall at “moderate social democratic ideals”
but yeah i’m not suggesting such a thing i don’t even know how it would be possible; be better to go after the “social catholics”
Jonathan Davis became a trad-Cath?
Funny how every single one of these right wing history youtubers proves to be completely ignorant of history.
