I love when people describe a system better than capitalism when trying to make communism look bad.

When you absolutely, positively know nothing about Marx, his ideas, or what he actually said. I will never understand why Marx’s critics refuse to engage with his ideas. 90% of criticisms against Marx can be shown to be directly addressed in the opening paragraphs of his most famous works, proving comments like these to be just repeated dogma by people so confident that others haven’t read him that they feel like they can get away with repeating said dogma, and the “right people” like capitalist toadies such as bosses and conservative academics will nod their approval.

Don’t pretend you’ve done any “intellectual exercise” wrt Marx. Those of us who have read him and bothered to try to understand him can see through your sad “call and respond” approach to political education. Instead of making noises you think will win you fake internet points, educate yourself.

I’ll bite, that sounds rad

Ohio is my dealer

Well Marx already has the formulation of “capitalism creates its own gravediggers” which is his idea that the material conditions created by capitalism create individuals who are committed to overthrow it, and so the challenge historically is how to get these people all pulling the same correct direction, and once you do, how do you keep it from breaking apart or giving into reformism or whatever.

But there’s something about the way it is framed? Those of us who want to see capitalism overthrown are able to read something more abstract into it, but the metaphor persists more or less intact. The brutality of it never gives way to the truth that we read into it. So in that way when we accept the truth there is violence that hitches a ride in our reasoning. How far are we then from Bordiga’s formulation of “Socialism and Barbarism”? Idk. Everyone knows that quote, but people don’t know about Matewan, or the American Strike waves of 1932, or Burkina Faso, or Pancho Villa.

In short, is what we are learning and repeating educational in a revolutionary way? After all, as Paulo Friere said, “When education isn’t liberating it is the dream of the oppressed to become the oppressor.”

That’s my favorite part of the movie, Krishna is in the office about to gun down Jesus, when Buddha kicks down the door and is like “Life is suffering, prepare to live!” And then shoots all the mobsters with a drum loaded Thompson machine gun, before killing Krishna and saving Jesus. And then the sex scene is so passionate

I don’t know there are these ideas get stuck in our head and we just assume they are true for some reason. This “the capitalist will sell us the rope we will use to hang him” is prolific, its everywhere and one has to wonder why. There’s no truth in it. People would attribute it to Marx too but Marx would never say that. I think its a cultural relic that serves to make communism sound badass and scary. But hanging capitalists will not put the world on the path to socialism, if anything the opposite must be true.

Lenin never said it either

Kruschev didn’t say that

Just have to shift from disposable mace, a spray can full of pepper spray; to a reusable mace, a long ass handle with a big fuck off spikey ball at the end

What does this mean though?

Hmmmmmm

First of all, I am not uncritical of any “side”. And there’s a lot of different propaganda coming from a lot of different sources. To be honest I at least partially agree with your reasoning, and I think that reason is sufficient enough to form opinions. However, I object to the characterization that someone is a bot because they disagree with a particular narrative, for example the mainstream narrative of the democratic party who is responsible for pushing this bot paranoia, and making up a lot of the hysteria leading up to it.

Like just because something exists, doesn’t mean that someone who disagrees is a bot. Wasn’t long ago Democrats were saying that calling for a cease fire in Gaza was a Russian narrative. even if it was, that doesn’t make it wrong to speak out about.

You’re pretty sure, you just don’t have evidence of it now that a traunch of evidence is has been uncovered. Its not even confirmation bias because there’s nothing to confirm these claims

YouTube can make sure not to target certain people with certain content but also they have no control over it sending me tons of far right wing stochastic terror influencers like Ben Shapiro and matt walsh

So true

Interesting how all these paid actors are right wingers, to believe Lemmy Russian bot hawks, the bot accounts are all fake leftists and tankies

Being an asshole doesn’t put you at a disadvantage though. You can not be an ass and also not deadname people. Theres not a contradiction here.

Are you arguing that assholes dead name? If so then we are in total agreement.

Aw crap they tricked us with money again

It is frustrating in almost every way! I can summon a lot of optimism for the project of socialism and the historic role of the working class; but when it comes to the day to day its too easy to get disillusioned. Its supposed to be disillusioning! The tragic reality in the west is that in our alienation, our exploitation appears to us as comfort. Hang in there and take care of yourself!