• VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world
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        Absolutely. It’s a two way street here.

        People need to stop turning on each other though. What’s done is done. The left has always been divided but right now we really need to start pulling ourselves together.

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        The lesser evil is literally the better candidate.

        The trump voters and the people who sat out the vote have that on their consciences.

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          They are still evil though, why it always a choice of “evil vs evil”? We don’t have to have this electoral system, we don’t have to have these candidates, humanity can do so much better. The only way anyone against genocide or the corporatist status quo could show disagreement is by not voting. If democrats always have the lefts vote no matter what, then they wouldn’t even have to be lesser evil.

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            This thinking got you a Donald Trump presidency again.

            I’ve been a proud American my whole life and now I’m in the middle of a move to another country to protect my family so I’m pretty bitter about this topic right now.

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              This thinking is a small minority of thought among voters. Thank you for believing us leftists are such a powerful bloc though. I can’t move to protect myself and many others can’t, I’m glad you are privileged enough to escape. If the democrat establishment actually believed Trump was such a major threat to democracy and life why wouldn’t they do more to stop it? They can use the national security state to kill whoever worldwide, couldn’t they have said Trump was a threat to national security?

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                I’ve lost faith in this American experiment.

                Too many people voted for Trump and too many people sat out a vote to keep him out of power again.

                If you think the answer is to have the government kill him then I’ve lost faith in you too.

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                  I don’t think they should do that but if they really believed he was Hitler 2.0 why wouldn’t they? They have no problem killing people everyday.

                  I don’t think we should lose faith in people, that’s what all those in power want. The American people are constantly propagandized, most people can’t trust what information is true or false especially when it comes to politics. I just think all the blaming of average progressive voters I’ve seen is misplaced.

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            Not voting does nothing. Now you have trump. And who ever else is next. If the left don’t vote nobody well care about them and they can sit in their house winning about nobody represents me.

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    Are we, the Democratic party out of touch?

    No, it’s the electorate’s fault!

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      Nobody is arguing the DNC isn’t out of touch.

      however the electorate isn’t much better. Cutting off their nose to spite their face.

      Nice try on the strawman though, better than some.

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        I am not here to argue. I will not engage beyond this post no matter what is said in response because I don’t want to fight.

        What matters is policy. Real hard on the ground policy that real normal people can feel and see where they live.

        When some wonk gets on MSNBC with a spreadsheet hooting about how much better things are with grocery prices or housing costs, that doesn’t mean anything to someone who’s begging for extra shifts at work so they can make rent. Those are aggregates and averages. If the 200k-500k bracket is doing better while the 13k-45k bracket isnt, the numbers still went up. That looks better in the data. But the people at the bottom are still suffering just as much as ever. They don’t feel or see any improvement because there wasn’t any. Not for them.

        The health and performance of the stock market only matters to those on the bottom when it crashes and suddenly they’re paying more for everything. At no other point does it impact them in the slightest. Those record profits aren’t reinvested, they’re not used to reduce the strain on consumers. Its gobbled up by a few dozen shareholders. It benefits nobody else. And if an executive or CEO has the slightest semblance of a soul and wants to help consumers they’re voted out because the only responsibility is to those few dozen shareholders.

        Healthcare. The ACA was a grand achievement. They took Romneycare national. Round of applause for all involved. But its still cheaper to do some form of Universal Healthcare. That would be the easiest win in history. And everyone would feel it immediately. It would help 100,000,000 people immediately. People who have been putting off medical treatment for half their lives because of the extortionist expense would immediately seek treatment. They would seek preventative treatment and raise the overall health across the country. Obesity rates drop, drug use plummets, etc.

        Marijuana. Literally every person I know and interact with in my daily life uses it. Do you know the number one reason I’ve heard from all of them? Pain management. Again, another easy win that is supported by everyone except the ghouls who were alive when it was called “The Devil’s Lettuce” and propagandized into believing its this terrible thing.

        Hard Policy that people can feel and see in their daily lives. You can still court the comfortable liberals who care about the stock market and all that. They’ll be fine no matter who is in office. If they need an abortion it’s a weekend vacay to Zurich or somewhere. But you’re never going to hold any meaningful power again without hard policy. Because for decades now the republicans have cornered the market on grievance politics and reaction. To break through that you need something real. No more vibes based nonsense. It will not work.

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          I am not here to argue. I will not engage beyond this post no matter what is said in response because I don’t want to fight.

          Screenshot_20241108-153203_Firefox

          tldr

          edit: for the downvoters, how can I take anyone seriously if they’re not going to sit and defend their opinion.

          Why would I even waste my time reading their wall of text? They migh