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ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.ml to traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns@hexbear.netEnglish · 26 days ago

never seen it said so succinctly

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never seen it said so succinctly

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ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.ml to traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns@hexbear.netEnglish · 26 days ago
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  • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    the chapo boys had a very similar take in their review of lady ballers, the chuds hate trans women the most but a good chunk of that hatred comes from how they already hate cis women and see them as inherently inferior because to them the very existence of trans women challenges that hierarchy

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      they already hate cis women and see them as inherently inferior

      ugh, i’m remembering back to that big joel video essay on lady ballers where they made that one little girl had to go off on this massive list of everything “boys are better at” and it makes me feel nauseous. A gaggle of grown ass men making a girl who’s about 8 go off on this misogynist tirade to boost their own egos visible-disgust

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      What the fuck, u were born to be a person but u choose to be an object instead? What sinister and perverted motives can u possibly have for that

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    The YouTuber Blake Jennings did a breakdown/takedown of Ben Shapiro’s “Lady Ballers” movie, and a recurring theme throughout it was that when it wasn’t making fun of trans women, it was making fun of cisgender women. Not just depicting them as weaker, but fundamentally incompetent. Like, showing cisgender female athletes in their chosen sport not even knowing how to properly use the equipment of said sport. So yeah, the transmisogyny is just cover for misogyny at large.

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    I agree but I can only feel so bad for cis women because:

    a) they chose to participate.

    b) Everyone told them this would happen and they didn’t listen.

    c) If the roles were reversed, people would absolutely demand that trans people take responsibility.

    d) There’s not a lot that we can do about this one.

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      If the roles were reversed, people would absolutely demand that trans people take responsibility.

      Ppl already act like trans women perpetrate misogyny and patriarchy by presenting feminine or using makeup or fucking, having an anime girl pfp (actual thing weve seen ppl say)

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        yeah the idea that trans women perpetrate misogyny (against cis women) has always been based on dumb bullshit

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    I don’t like one of the two big wedge issues they are using to drive us out of society being framed as being all about cis women.

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  • red_giant [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    If trans athletes truly had an unfair advantage then the women’s teams of popular sports would be just trans players by now.

    There’s enough money in enough women’s sports teams that by now someone would have used this “unfair advantage” to win, if it were truly a “loophole”.

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    That pfp screams brain worms

    After some research, that is an “Enbie” wojak? variant. I don’t trust it.

    • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      Looks like a picrew based on a wojak lmao

      • AntifaCatgirlSuperSoldier [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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        ableism anti semitism

        The images that use these are usually full of fetishization and the main template that uses them is a raceplay thing.

        I don’t know if oop knew about it, but it’s not a pretty character that you stumble upon randomly and pick, and it’s not mainstream.

        • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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          Aspie was the original and she was a girlfriend for apu, the Pepe derivative for frens. It’s sort of like how Kandy Kong was created to demonstrate that DK was straight and that he fucks.

          Get cursed with knowledge, nerd.

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            I don’t think I like this thread

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              Neither… Neither do I. Kinda would’ve preferred staying oblivious to this.

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            Understanding this comment requires so many layers of internet brainrot.

          • boboblaw [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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            What the fuuuuuck is everybody talking about?

            I will have to Google all these references and I’ve got a really bad feeling about this.

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            internet-delenda-est

        • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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          What a truly weird subculture thing. The internet is so strange.

          • FlakesBongler [they/them]@hexbear.net
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            This is why i mainly stick to hexbear and a few other non-social sites

            • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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              Same.

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          I’ve also seen them paired with a chud vairant.

          CW: wojaks

          • AntifaCatgirlSuperSoldier [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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            Yeah, this one is sometimes a raceplay thing, won’t post it though.

          • Krem [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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            did they have a medieval baby or is it a “chud BF” action figure

        • ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.mlOP
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          Wow wtf

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    College is so expensive cis people can imagine somebody transitioning just to get a sports scholarship.

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      • kristina [she/her]@hexbear.netM
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        same rate as ADHD.

        brow (I joke I joke)

        Tbh does seem like a lot of queers have it wonder if anyone did a statistical analysis here

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    • D61 [any]@hexbear.net
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      Should I spend 40k to transition to try to get a 40k scholarship for a degree that probably won’t matter in the job market? lea-think

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        Fuck it just play Warhammer

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    Being sexiest is pretty much a prerequisite for being transphobic, but this isn’t very convincing. The argument for men and women having equal value as human beings has never been predicated on physical parity.

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      i sort of agree, but i think it is still essential to push back against the arguments that men and women are drastically different physically (oppositional sexism). there is more physical parity than mainstream media/society admits. all segregation / oppression bases itself on assumptions of (bio essentialist) physical disparities.

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        all seems pretty strong there. sometimes it’s to avoid embarrassing the men, like target shooting. sometimes women punt or kick in college football but there’s a robust soccer system that siphons off the ones who might be interested and there are plenty of social reasons that you don’t want to be the only woman on a sports team. what’s your vision for desegregated basketball?

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          what’s your vision for desegregated basketball?

          holy shit i couldnt care less about your ball games

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            well other people do, and they want to strive in a fair competition

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              do you want to argue for the fairness of capitalist markets too

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                jesse-wtf

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                  same same

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      Being sexiest is pretty much a prerequisite for being transphobic

      I disagree, transphobes aren’t sexy at all

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    This is only an effective wedge issue because the masses are unwilling to denounce sports. Easy win/dodge. Nothing of value lost.

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      this is my natural stance on the issue. We’re talking about recreational games here how are we giving so much of a shit??

      Unfortunately this take does not fly with gen x/boomer sports heads. My family looked at me like I was an idiot when I tried to say nothing matters but the players having fun.

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      scorched earth isn’t a great strategy either. we could destroy gender but a lot of people have fought long and hard to be acknowledged and doing so would take that away.

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    I mean I get the point, there is merit to the argument that conservatives’ hatred towards trans people is driven by misogyny, but this particular train of thought seems to ignore that women having their on league in sports is like - probably not a bad idea.

    I mean there may be an argument to be had there and since I don’t frequent this community or this debate indeed, I don’t know what the general stance on that is, but it does seem to me that by this argument women and men shouldn’t be separated in sports since that itself is rooted in the arguement that “women are weaker” in a way.

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      women and men shouldn’t be separated in sports since that itself is rooted in the arguement that “women are weaker” in a way.

      yes

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        in chess women are separated because men can’t behave themselves, and that probably extrapolates to ball sports if we’re going to parkour our way into getting rid of title ix.

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          Imagine if we applied “men are shitty so the solution is to separate men and women, not to get men to be less shitty” to places outside sports and the military. Workplaces are segregated by gender again cuz men cant behave. All schools are single gender cuz boys cant behave. All hobbies are segregated. Do u see why thats a bad idea?

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            i think it’s an admission that the FIDE or whatever can’t police its competitors effectively yeah.

            should generations of women who would want to do something have to wait on society to be safe in hobby spaces? desegregating chess and whatnot should be the goal, but if you just delete the womens’ division because you have the power to do that but not the power to fix society then all you’d do is massively reduce participation.

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              how is this not an argument for segregating every single public space and profession. do you hear yourself?

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                because the stakes are different, there are other structures in place that ostensibly make going to school or work safe® in a way that a club might not be, and everyone is much more interested in demanding/protecting equal access to education and employment than they are to what is for most of us an elective hobby.

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                  so why not advocate for protection rather than segregation. segregation will never lead to increased protection

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          i would like someone to explain how not having gendered basketball would be more equal rather than less.

          the thing where olympic shooting sports don’t shoot the same course because women were beating men in the 90s is a bunch of garbage though. give me the hog tears when it turns out pavlichenko’s spirit lives on.

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    I really wanted to thank you for sharing this perspective. I had downloaded at the time to think about later, and then got distracted. But it is a hugely poignant strategy insight. You’re one of the GOAT posters for real.

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    Removed by mod

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      thank you for the reminder that even leftist men are sexist fucking trash 90% of the time

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        We need to bring back “kill all men” feminism, men have gotten too comfortable.

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          I’m doing my part

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          How about Death to Men?

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        What was sexist about the statement?

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          are you serious? can you reread what you said and argue its not the most basic form of sexism?

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          for one thing it’s over generalizing. the strongest women are out-lifting the vast majority of men, for one example of “strength”.

          if you want to talk about averages, bring data.

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          “what is sexist about declaring women categorically inferior to men?” nothing obviously you’re so right, i was clearly just being hysterical

          hope every woman you ever meet stabs you

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            In most organized sports, male competitors generally have a physical strength advantage over female competitors. That’s not a controversial statement, and says nothing about inferiority

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