CW: Pederasty
How many of them do you think would start talking about how much they love boys the moment a greek brings it up?
Descartes for 25$??? The guy got demomished during his own time - even according to himself!
jfc why do people not do the least bit of research before they start blasting their doodoo opinions everywhere. This mf read “i think therefore i am” and went “damn most smartest man ever no need to look into his work or contemporaries or anything”Debatebros and anticommunists aren’t just a scourge on the earth and intellectual disciplines due to all of the dumbass shit they do, but also because they’re dumbasses who think they’re smart. Death.
This seems like the thread to ask it: what do you people think Marx would make of the fact revolution failed in the industrial imperial core, while it succeeded in the rural perifery? And how do you think climate change would have affected his analysis (analysises? Plural how? ??)?
Marx would probably attentively read all of Lenin first before even responding and he’d probably agree about capitalism having advanced to an internationally connected system. Would he accept or modify or add to Lenin’s explanation about the weaker links of capitalism imperialism being in the periphery? Someone who knows more about Lenin and Marx than me should answer that. It might again depend on the time and place (historical Russia vs today).
I think climate change wouldn’t affect Marx economic theory much, it seems to fit within the classical framework (price vs value, ground rent, totality, “free gifts of nature”, dialectical relationship between nature and culture etc.) Eco socialism is not that controversial, is it? The added sense of urgency is real though.
The idea that Marx is somehow less of a debate lord and less influential on the modern era than St. Thomas Aquinas is extremely funny to me. What is he gonna do, go over the eschatology of angelic beings?
Aquinas is truly a fucking travesty. I’d take Martin Luther for that price, but my god, what a pathetic list.
I said it elsewhere here, but Augustine mogs Aquinas in every way that matters, incredible the original creator didn’t recognize this.
The best part about charts like this is discovering the ideology of its creator
Illiterate marble statue pfp who receives philosophy through phonk edits of peaky blinders quips
Not best part as in “super interesting” but as in a fun little game I like to play
idk, they just seem like a boring Christofascist loser who fetishizes Catholicism but is also cool with Protestants.
Not best part as in “super interesting” but as in a fun little game I like to play
Luther is better but I think top row would be overrating him.
Dude was the first poster
i remember seeing a Thomas Aquinas philosophy book in a book store once and feeling curious enough to get it. I bought it, went across the street to read it, and returned it in like 15 minutes. I apologized perfusly, and explained that the book was incomprehensible drivel. They laughed. They were cool.
I was once told that I needed to read the Summa Theologica in order to restore my belief in Catholicism because, and I quote, “It is the most logical document on Religion that has ever been created.”
I think I got three chapters in before I kinda just petered out because not only is it not really logical, but I realized that it was essentially one gigantic fanfiction on how all of his favorite ancient authors are actually all talking about the same thing, which just happens to be how Catholicism is the one true religion. How convenient.
It was probably extremely impressive for him to draw so many correlations between disparate authors and concepts in a time period where the average literacy rate was essentially non-existent for the vernacular, and extremely limited to the upper class for Latin. That said, his philosophy is pretty fucking dog shit.
This is pretty unfair. Not that his work is “true”. I mean it’s metaphysics…
But he didn’t say all ancient thinkers were actually Catholics (in the way the church was Catholic at Aquino’s time). It’s more that “god” was more like what ancient philosopher’s believed the universe or the origin of reality to be, than what the church said god and jesus were.
That god was an ineffable totality.
Dude was basically a panpsychist. We take it for granted now cause that’s a pretty common take for modern christians. But at the time it was pretty heretical.
Like if you compile his beliefs on god and the universe, dude does NOT sound like a catholic at all. Except if you count the super heterodox times of the first few centuries CE, where there wasn’t really a dogma stablished yet.
He sounds like Einstein or something tbh. Who wasn’t a christian.
Dude literally has entire arguments with the lists for the hierarchies of angelic and demonic beings, forgive me if I am not exactly going to equate him to one of the best physical minds of the twentieth century. By saying that ‘He sounds like Einstein.’, is quite literally doing the same thing that he does to Aristotle to him. I do not think they actually thought the same way, though there are some threads of throughline just simply due to the fact that they both exist within the Western tradition of thought.
I am not saying he thought that Aristotle was a Catholic, I am saying that he absolutely discards and disregards areas of those philosophies that directly contradict Catholic doctrine. I am of the opinion that he is fundamentally incorrect about their compatibility, with both the Augustinians and Averrioists being far more on the money about what the implications of the philosophy lies. You can learn far more by reading about St. Thomas than reading St. Thomas imo.
His real contribution is that reason is at least equal in its revelatory power to faith. However, much of his reasoning is usually incredibly strained and the substantial metaphysical application is fairly well annihilated by both David Hume and Kant’s Critique on Pure Reason. He isn’t as logical as he thinks he is, which to be fair to him, he seems to have recognized later in his life as he never actually completed the Summa Theologica, saying “All I have written seems like straw to me.”
That said, Catholicism has always been extremely heterodox in terms of it’s belief systems, as long as you did not threaten the political and social authority of Church, which St. Thomas always went out of his way to affirm. He does not appear that heretical within the larger tradition.
Hey come on he basically perfected syncretism
I had a theology teacher in high school who kept hyping up the Quinque Viae as some undeniable proof that god exists.
Tbf the scholastics did turn debates (disputationes) into a highly formalized game. Aquinas wrote his major work in that debate format and had almost as much of an impact on Catholic theology as his primary influence, Ibn Sina.
I was aware, however, the kind of shit posting that Marx was up to is far more akin to modern discourse as opposed to any kind of formalized disputation game. So many as a philosophy debate team Aquinas might be more valuable lol.
19 Marxes and one Rand. The Rand will buff the stats of the Marxes
I was thinking something similar with 15 Marxes and a Hegel.
Not taking Augustine for 25 is a sin, figuratively and literally.
Mogs the top tier entirely, Aquinas can’t even hold a flame to Augustine’s ability to be a hater.
I don’t know much about Augustine besides that he used to party hard before he found god. Would he synergize with the Marxes as well as Rand or Hegel?
He’s basically got the erudition of platonic philosophy without the pedo shit. He also had a poster’s heart, going hard against manichean and pelagian thinking.
Was thinking exactly this as well, but set it up like a game of Secret Objectivist. Will the Marx-hive figure out there’s a traitor amongst them?
Actually, this could be a fun party game. Everyone is randomly assigned a philosopher and must argue their point of view, try to guess who they are.
This basically makes any principaled socialist F tier lmao.
True… unless you have enough socialists in the mix that it’s impossible to guess which one based solely on the socialism!
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What do you mean? It’s important as a Marxist to understand how other people can think what they do, so arguing from the standpoint of some liberal or a sicko like Nietzsche shouldn’t be too hard.
19 Marx and 1 Foucault so the Marxes are at maximum anger 24/7
You know it is a bad post when there are the statues
I would simply go off-list and pick up 100 copies of Diogenes for a buck a piece.
Add in one Kierkegaard because I want to see them eat him
That’s like recruiting a heard of cats.
Perhaps a pack of feral dogs
And they all have to stand on the same street corner
We talking young Marx or old Marx?
Young Marx would all hate each other. Old Marx would form a polycule
Engels: You know, I’m something of a philosopher myself!
Feels like the setup for an existential comics piece. I should catch up on that
Those are good. Incredible characterization of Marx every time he shows up… yeah, he throws the table and yells “revolution”, but… have you read him? He might well do that in at least some of those scenarios! Guy founded the damn International!
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The fact that Luther isn’t here is disgraceful. Truly a dogshit chart.
Take Augustine twice and Marx 10x. Absolutely body everyone who shows up.
marcus aurelius is so fucking mid too
He was boomer tier philosopher even in his times lol
The first two are Plato and Aristotle, and I think the first guy in the second row is Augustine. I don’t know who else could be mistaken for Aurelius.
Derailing this to add that Thomas Aquinus was also fucking mid. “God exists because God exists, obviously. Don’t believe me? Ask God.”
I think that’s more Anselm of Canterbury (who is a true $5 theologian), but I agree Aquinas is being wildly overrated here.
crap you’re right
You are correct on Augustine, who is a goat.
$50 for Montesquieu? The “climate is why Europeans are civilized” guy?
Hey now he also came up with “uhhhh maybe all power shouldnt be concentrated in one office or something” which nobody had ever thought of before
Are you calling Kant or Hume Montesquieu?
The Marx Fission Chat would be legendary
Give me a plato so that he can flex during a debate and the rest Marxes
By all accounts Socrates was also quite the athlete and was hoplite line soldier. Ignoring… the other stuff…
The problem with Socrates is that he was more debate bro than he was the type of guy to flex to overrule someone’s argument. W aura on Plato so on and so forth
Fuck are those Plato and Aristotle? I just assumed one of them was Socrates because greek philosopher statue and all that… I mean Socrates is almost a Plato insert so I am not too far off I guess.
Plato and Aristotle in that order (just googled it).
