On one hand, entirely valid to call Hegseth a ghoul for that.
On the other hand, how deep in
are these people that thought “liberation” was ever in the cards? They didn’t observe anything the US has gotten up to in the Middle East for the last thirty years?I swear, there is a suspiciously high number of republicans voters who want left-wing policies done by politicians who claim to be right wing.
Like they’re leftists who just like the vibe of the right.
The right is basically entirely vibes driven. And in a way… I guess it’s not hard to understand why given democrats are made of jello against anyone but the left.
Like they’re leftists who just like the vibe of the right.
Depending on where you are and who you listen to, their impression of the vibe of “the left” beyond the Democrats (whether through grifters/news, propaganda, online experience with dirtbag left, radlibs or even just university campuses) is often characterized as explicitly-political (rather than framing as common-sense), sensitive, language policing, idpol, critical and negative, and not really achieving much. Unless people have direct links to good people on “the Left”, the externally-visible impression of it is a pretty bad vibe. And the disappointing thing is, once you make connections or make an effort to look into it, we’re actually doing so much, and in many cases directly improving peoples’ lives - we need to be loud and proud with that vibe, and let regular people hear it!
explicitly-political (rather than framing as common-sense)
Could you elaborate? I feel like this is just a matter of perspective
I feel like this is just a matter of perspective
Yes, the whole post is based around perspective.
That part about explicity-political was referring to a phenomenon Harper O’Connor explains a minute into this video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5-AP4YjAUgc&t=63
Effectively, their claim is that much of the success of right-wing influence has been through gaining strong voices in “apolitical spaces” - fitness and health, gaming and entertainment, etc… They can often frame things as “the Left is forcing politics into our hobbies”, which we can obviously recognize is a political framing in itself, but from a more mainstream perspective, this can seem valid and politically neutral. It’s not rare to hear a socialist say things like “Everything is political”, or prompt people to be more aware of how “normal” behaviors are racist, sexist or otherwise bigoted. To someone who just wants to grill, we can appear aggressive and negative just by offering them a red pill.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Like they’re leftists who just like the vibe of the right.
I guess we’re going to dance around the racism part and just call it ‘vibes’
They want left wing outcomes but don’t like the implications of the left wing analysis. Do we get these fantasies that capitalism can somehow be made to go against itself without tearing itself apart.
Well most of them are working class so I don’t fine it surprising that they would have a left wooing tendency completely polluted by right-liberal brainworms
Internal monologue rn:
“Come on Zinn, don’t suggest GOP entryism…not even as a joke.”
Leftists who don’t want the other conservatives to call them gay
They are dogs. The whole lot of them. Thinking themselves better and safe from Americas violence cause they are not like other 3rd world people and countries. They are somehow the exception that will be spared by the yankees wrath.
Yea that’s pretty much it. Unfortunately
On the other hand, how deep in [award nominations] are these people that thought “liberation” was ever in cards?
Funny you should say that, I heard this one in person today. “Trump is meant to be liberating them, and then he says they’ll be bombed back to the Stone Age?” Non-America, the couple saying it seemed status-quo/conservative, anti-Trump. A lot of conservatives here seem to just criticize Trump for being unprofessional and tactless, rather than any deeper thought.
"we’re going in to liberate the Iranian people"
The well-deserved wages of traitors and mercenaries
First off, that sounds cool as hell. That is a smoking a cigar while walking past a firing squad line.
Second while I agree that it is always good to keep a bad reputation on treachery, being a traitor CAN be one of the most honorable things you can be, depending on who you betray. Everyone here should get really good a treachery and deceit cause if your goals and ethics are already in the right place, it leaves a lot of places, mostly work, where it’s maybe the best weapon you have. Lie to your boss to cover your co-workers ass and tell them you did it. You just gained someone’s trust by lying. Lying and betrayal are both amazing tools if applied correctly. These people are not the cool kind of traitors. But my work mantra is ‘falsify my loyalty and commit a quiet mutiny’
Genuinely I need some help: I struggle to find the words to accurately describe people like this without resorting to some type of ableism and I’m trying to be better. Can anyone help me? I want to be able to insult their clear lack of intelligence or humanity but I just don’t know how.
dog of us empire
le classique and accurate, likely will be ignored by trained liberal ear
weathervane
tfw
usaidfdd check gets bouncedlikely also accurate
traitors, collaborators etc
samey
Tell people what the dog is doing. 'Imperialist running-dog" is a classic for a reason. Verbs or adverbs are generally thr best insults cause they pertain to an action taken
Depraved idealist ghouls of capital? Being surprised the leopard that has been eating faces nonstop for decades, and you’ve been asking to come eat your face, actually eats your face, and then being all “not like that”.
Just tell them they have the historical literacy of literal children
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In this particular case, suckers, rubes, opportunists, losers works just fine and it passes a fact check, wannabe compradors, traitors, cowards, lapdogs, bootlickers, CIA Assets
Ignorant.
It’s not ignorance.
I debate with these gusanos, they are my community here, they know about Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc.
They say this time is different because of <insert nonsense here>
Willful ignorance then.
Overwhelmingly I think they are zealots who are motivated to believe the kayfabe, which is why this relative breach of the kayfabe broke their brains.
“lol” said the scorpion “lmao”
Save these to post at gusanos. Every time they talk about “their” “authoritarian” nations, just post these and ask if they are naive children or warmongering liars
I wish every one of these American chauvinists a very “Lifetime living in extreme poverty conditions caused by the US destroying other nations.”
If you are over the age of say, 21, it is absolutely ridiculous to have ever thought that this would somehow end with the Iranian people better off. Like, stop having opinions for the next 10 years while you learn to observe the world around you.
Every single Iranian I know was happy and optimistic when they bombed the ayatollah. Gotta ask them what they think now.
I guess hope is simply a strong force. I think judging them for it is pretty mean.
I guess I’m mean then. I understand hating someone and being glad they’re dead, but I can’t understand how anyone could think the US is going bomb a better world into existence (or even wants to).
I don’t get it either, but “stop having opinions” is a fucked-up thing to say about people daring to have a little hope.
In the field of fucked-up things here, a Lemmy comment that people with bad opinions have bad opinions, ranks pretty low. Way more fucked up, IMO, to be cheering for US bombs dropping on your country.
I would no longer ask as I now know for certain, these people were born yesterday
Too bad for them that stupidity doesn’t excuse their evil and everyone should rightly see then as pro mass murder
I know some legit fucking chowderheads who know how not to be evil, you dont have to be smart to not be evil. You don’t have to be smart to be evil either. Just call people bad instead of ignorant or whatever. The problem lies in their hearts
Yeah I agree and in my opinion them being shocked is worth less than nothing. They are evil pro mass murder pieces of shit and most likely very stupid as well.
I always wonder how snake oil salesmen made the money that they did
Then I am exposed to shit like this, and I wonder how they didn’t make even more
Snake oil supply collapses due to the war.
Snake of Hormuz
I guess if you bought the propaganda that the US is winning and that they are the good guys, this must be a massive punch in the gut.
I forgot that this war was opened up by Trump saying he was opening a path for Iranians to overthrow their government. So much has happened since then that the transition to “raze everything to the ground” has been almost imperceptible.
Obviously to Geopolitics Understanders like us, it was always going to go this way. But this should be radicalizing for the people who took Trump’s word at the start.
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