calmly explained how there was no rational benefit to committing a massacre
that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, it makes it even worse that it did happen
So is there ever a rational benefit
The replies from other Japanese are so depressing. They really are cooked.
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And yet people, including here, fawn over the place. Disgusting.
i went there last year… it was an amazing place to see. I enjoyed it far more than I ever imagined I would and way more than any of the european countries we went to before that.
that doesn’t mean i think they’re angels or that they didn’t commit atrocities and that a fair number of the japanese people aren’t fucked in the head.
Genocide money builds great infrastructure, atrocity is an understatement when you learn what they used their bayonets for in Nanking
Soft power goes a long way. Same way most of the major NATO countries are still glamorized more than they should be.
The weebs here have been known to do awful apologetics to sanitize media exports that they like (or don’t even know but they’re just illiterate), but I don’t know of them doing apologetics for Japanese society itself.
Look in our training manuals it says this is bad. Therefore it couldn’t have happened!
Just like Americans are trained on the Geneva Conventions, but they seem to officially not give a flying fuck about formal rules and agreements.
Ah well if there was no rational benefit to committing that massacre then surely it didn’t happen! Irrationality has no place in war!
It’s not even accurate to say it’s irrational. [CW: SV, torture, racism] China Mieville explains in his essay “On Social Sadism” how extravagant cruelty serves to uphold hierarchical power structures:
Class rule necessitates violence and its contested, overlapping, jostling ideologies. It justifies, or more, Orgreave in 1984, the armed wing of the state laying down manners on insurgent workers. It insists that waterboarding is not torture and anyway it defends our freedoms. It explains the necessity of the spikes carefully fitted at the bases of new buildings to ensure the homeless can’t sleep there. Rising unevenly from a fundamental necessity to capital – oppression – are brutalities necessary to sustain class rule at home; to sustain imperialism abroad; everyday sadisms so metabolised their cruelties often hide in plain sight.
The drives to such phenomena are hazy-edged, non-identical but inextricable, imbricated, mutually constituting. They’re constant but not static. The parameters and place of violence, repression and sadism change with history. And with them, from the rush of jouissance they tap, inevitably flows their excess – a scandalous, invested sadism, enjoying its own cruelty. A surplus sadism.
tfw your parents blindly and desperately try to justify and explain away atrocities
This must be what is like to *live in the South in the US
Southern U.S: “slavery was bad but it’s over and everyone did it anyways stop complaining”
Northern U.S: “slavery was the worst atrocity to have occured in the history of mankind but also we have to fire you because of the anti-semitic comments you made about Israel, slava ukraini”
It’s getting even worse. Last I heard some of the curriculum is like -
Southern U.S: “Slavery was kiiiinda bad, but also the slaves loved it and were treated well, and it wasn’t that bad at all jk lol”
I attended a deep south high school circa 2015 and IME it was more like “Slavery was kinda bad, but they were no angels, and life was really hard back then, and they sold their own people so it was kind of justified, also the cotton industry was very prosperous and you can’t bake a cake without breaking a few eggs”
I think if you write something like that then I get to keep you as a slave. I’ll teach you how to code, so you’ll love it.
sounds quite a bit like the midwest too… i think its just rural idiots in general
I also attended a midwest middle school and got a fairer telling of the history of slavery, but got essentially the same story about native americans.
living in the stolen black hills, having native americans in my class, teacher telling us what a hero Custer was
My Ohio school had us sing John Brown’s Body as a choir song in music class
Southern US: “the Civil War was really about states rights and stuff, and really not that much about slavery”
Okay, I need to know, how is Ukraini pronounced? I’m stuck between yoo-cry-nee, yoo-crane-ee, and the oddball oo-crah-ee-nee. I have very little knowledge of Easter European languages.
oo-crah-ee-nee
English fucking suck at pronouncing Slavic vowels so i think this would be closest
Oo-cry-ee-nee
It’s like yoo-krey-nee
Not just the South
genuinely yes
I’m so sorry if that’s something you are or had to in the past experience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segregation_academy behold. some of these things still operate btw.
Daily reminder that Japan didn’t even have an analog to the
halfquartereighth-assed denazification that Germany did
i’d call that about a third assed
Neither did Italy, and of course none of the Allies.
It seemed to work pretty well for Germany until it didn’t: apparently 80 years of remembrance culture is all that was possible.
Yeah, but even in places like Italy the fascist governments didn’t remain fully intact. If you look at Japan’s prime ministers since ww2 almost all of them were either war criminals or the children of war criminals.
Fucking hell, at least the Krauts acknowledge their own crimes even if they mostly use them to whitewash Israel’s current crimes
Also
at this guy going PLEASE PRESENT ME THE EVIDENCE FOR MASS KILLINGS at Chinese people schooling his ass in the repliesYou also have some Japanese dude going “but muh cultural revolution” and “but muh tiny man square”
I think I’m just gonna close this tab
the Nanking massacre is a real tragedy covered up by Japanese propaganda and truthfully portrayed by the western education system while the Chinese apologetics about the Tianmen square massacre not being real are totally true and believable and the western education system is lying about it
Bruh how’s that cognitive dissonance hitting?
Here are two western journalists attesting to there being no deaths in the square. Here’s a third.
Here is an article from the Vancouver Sun attesting to CIA involvement in the protests.
Here is a collection of photos of Chinese soldiers who were burned, beaten, and lynched by the “peaceful” protestors, and of protestors stealing guns and other military equipment. (TW for burned and hanged bodies, people with injuries)
Here is one of the student leaders admitting that the incitement of violence was the goal.
Here is a video of the famous “tank guy” leaving unharmed, contrasted with what happens to real peaceful protestors in the United States.
Here is news coverage from the incident, showing a distinct lack of shooting or bodies.
Damn what a surprise, they didn’t reply.
I don’t have a counter propaganda stash lying around for every conspiracy myth I encounter in the wild. Sorry for not caring enough I guess.
Conspiracy myth is your dismissal despite several links you don’t bother to dispute. Real question, do you consider yourself by default correct?
No, just short on time.
I don’t get it then. Why not wait to respond till you actually have a rebuttal if you don’t think you’re by default correct?
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Congratulations, you found the propaganda. So the parents of the victims are “paid actors” or do you buy into some other Alex Jones type denial? And the party members calling it the “biggest mistake” the party ever made are doing that for funsies?
Also good job copy pasting, I didn’t say that the US doesn’t suppress protests, so no need to include a “rebuttal” to that. I’m on your side, that’s why I care when you fall for propaganda.
There are no good guy nation states.
If you actually read the articles you would know I’m not claiming there were no deaths on June 4th.
The parents of the victims by a vast majority echo the account of the Chinese government. No violence in the square, lots of violence outside it, most victims were unarmed PLA. So are we listening to the parents of victims or aren’t we?
Idk who you are talking about: http://tiananmenmother.org/
A link to a website. Very persuasive. Definitely moreso than the countless actual interviews.
This doesn’t work if you don’t have the interviews I’m afraid.
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so true bestie, all those photos of japanese soldiers
cw: war crimes
bayonetting babies for fun and burying people alive after forcing them to dig their own graves
were just AI, clearly.
One Chinese officer did a bad thing, that absolves the entire Japanese army of wrongdoing.
the new york times would never lie after all
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