After a five-day manhunt, Mangione was arrested at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania. He faces state charges in Pennsylvania for allegedly carrying an unlicensed firearm, forgery, and providing false identification.
And if they located him via illegal means, none of that is admissable…
That’s the chink they need to hammer on.
The woman who “called it in” did so because some random man walked up to the counter, identified Luigi to the worker, told her there was a large reward and she should call.
The chances of that truly being a random person who recognized him, and wanted him turned in, but didn’t want to make the call themselves is astronomical.
And that’s not getting into how unbelievable fast the response was.
Whatever means they actually used to locate him, they can’t say. So you hammer their unbelievable explanation and ask the jury if they believe it, or if it sounds like a cover story.
It blows a giant hole in the prosecution’s case, and raises doubts about the entire investigation
McDonalds will probably reward that worker with a free drink and a McDouble. No raise. Extra hours.
A cynic would say they intentionally choose a minimum wage worker to fracture the working class.
Especially with trump in office and the pressure he’ll put on the DOJ, this trial could be a breaking point.
If it comes up the cops (more likely feds) set that up, it’s not only going to get Luigi free, it might actually lead to the 99% fighting back in the class war that’s been going on here longer than America has been a sovereign country.
trump won’t be able to handle Luigi walking free, and he’s gonna over reach
It’s lose lose for the prosecution at this point. Either Luigi walks free and potentially becomes a flashpoint to rally behind, or he becomes a martyr. The second will be worse for any authoritarian regime.
a free drink and a McDouble
Pfff, they’re not gonna give em both
They gets a get the free drink!*
*~ with the purchase of a McDouble ~
And if they located him via illegal means, none of that is admissable…
Devil’s advocate and IANAL, but illegally obtained evidence can still be admitted so long as at some point there was a legal means to obtain it. I’m sure there’s a ton of nuance that goes into the specifics and especially regarding this case, but it’s not like that stuff is completely tossed out of it was found illegally.
Also not a lawyer.
This legal doctrine is called Fruit of the Poisonous Tree and there are specific exceptions that can be made for it. According to its wikipedia page:
The doctrine is subject to four main exceptions.[citation needed] The tainted evidence is admissible if:
it was discovered in part as a result of an independent, untainted source; or
it would inevitably have been discovered despite the tainted source; or
the chain of causation between the illegal action and the tainted evidence is too attenuated; or
the search warrant was not found to be valid based on probable cause, but was executed by government agents in good faith (called the good-faith exception).
That said though, half this page is appended with [Citation Needed] so I maybe wouldn’t take that as gospel.
Can you explain why it was through illegal means? I don’t get that part.
If they found him via legal means, then that’s the way they would have said they found him
A mystery man telling a woman at the counter to call before leaving minutes before swat moved in would just be a huge coincidence.
They knew he was on the bus and where it was stopping and they prepared for him.
But hey, maybe I missed something. But as far as I can remember law enforcement lost the benefit of the doubt a long time ago. I just don’t trust the police in general at this point.
There are a bunch of laws outlining how governments can collect evidence. Yhere are some methods that are illegal. If they used a method prohibited by law, the evidence is unusable. If the violation to obtain the evidence is severe enough the cop gets charged.
Because it is nonsense.
The crux of their argument is that it is too implausible that someone would decide Luigi was probably the shooter, be aware of the reward, and still ask a random employee to call it in. ANYONE who has worked a public facing job in food services or even a frigging grocery store has had plenty of “concerned citizens” tell them to be a cop.
But, because that is implausible, it must mean that this was some huge conspiracy theory where a paid actor faked a call because the government used some super illegal search method instead (as opposed to just palantir or whatever).
It is complete nonsense and is just a few notches below “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams”.
a paid actor faked a call
I don’t think that’s the scenario people suspect.
The anonymous person could have been police or some sort of agent, who ask the employee to make the call, to cover up they already knew where he was, because they knew by illegal means.IDK if that is true or not, but it is possible, so I wouldn’t call it nonsense.
Why didn’t the anonymous person want the reward himself? Why did Luigi walk around with the murder weapon for 5 days?Those are plausible questions we may get answers to during the case, but it does seem a bit weird.
Ah, apologies. Not a paid actor but instead an undercover cop posing as a mcdonald’s employee. That totally explains why absolutely nobody else at that mcdonald’s would have said “Yeah, I have no idea who that person was but they don’t work here” and so forth.
Moving on:
Why didn’t the anonymous person want the reward himself?
Because anyone who has been around the block a few times knows that these rewards rarely ever pay out. Also, good odds the “good samaritan” would have been smart enough to realize they don’t want to be the face that brought America’s Favorite Alleged Murderer “to justice”.
Why did Luigi walk around with the murder weapon for 5 days?
He also, allegedly, had his manifesto on him. And he was more than rich enough to have booked a same day flight to a non extradition treaty country the afternoon of the shooting.
Those are plausible questions we may get answers to during the case, but it does seem a bit weird.
A lot of things are “weird”. Believe it or not but perfectly sane and rational people tend to not allegedly 3d print a firearm to allegedly stake out someone for days to allegedly plug them in the head for being evil sons of bitches.
But “True Crime” podcasts and TV have rotted people’s brains into thinking a single anomaly instantly is the smoking gun. When the reality is… people are weird and so is life. One of my favorite “deprogramming” tools is to just point out the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand that kicked off WW1. If that were a movie it would be a comedy that even Adam Sandler would say was “a bit much”. But that was life.
Ah, apologies. Not a paid actor but instead an undercover cop posing as a mcdonald’s employee.
What? Are you high?
It is pretty clear to most people that they are not saying someone posed as a McDonalds employee. I’m not sure if you’re being deliberately obtuse, but in case you or anyone else is misunderstanding, they are suggesting the following: A cop/fed illegally obtained his whereabouts. They follow him into a McD. The cop/fed goes up to McD employee and says “you should call in a tip there’s a big reward”. They don’t mention they are a cop/fed to the McD employee. Now that there is a record of “an anonymous tip” they have an on the books explanation of how they located him without having to disclose how they actually were able to track him.
I’m not saying that’s what happened, but you seem to have repeatedly misunderstood so I’m just making it clear.
… That is somehow even stupider
ALL they needed was to say “yo dog, that dude looks like the dude in the security camera footage”. Simple as that. Also, why even include a mcdonald’s employee at that point rather than just leaving an “anonymous tip” on a hotline?
Again, jet fuel, steel beams, what the fuck?
the assassination itself is a comedy of errors. they actually managed to escape only to happen to turn down an alley with an assassin.
How many concerned citizens have you dealt with that threw away a 60 000$ reward?
Addressed it below but:
Anyone who has been around the block a few times knows that those rewards are almost never paid out. Government/cops decide that a hint “wasn’t enough” or find a way to give it to the “police department” instead
And folk may or may not remember all the “I am not saying the UHC CEO was a good person but he was a father with a family and this was a tragic murder and is really bad” crowd. Large swathes of those fuckos would be smart enough to realize “face of the raid that caught America’s Rizziest Alleged Murderer” might not end well. Hell, they may even have grown up in a town/city where someone DID get a payout and subsequently had to move because local “gangs” (so the populace) would regularly vandalize their car or throw bricks through their windows.
But doesn’t that just affect his state charges? Aren’t his federal charges the one that are the real issue?
Tainted evidence is tainted evidence…
Like, if the state illegally finds proof you committed a crime, so they can’t use it, that doesn’t mean the feds get to. So let’s say the stuff in his backpack was already in there, and there is some plausible explanation for all the “smoking gun” evidence to not have been noticed till like 11 hours later…
No one can use what was in the backpack if they were led to it via illegal methods.
It’s just inadmissible and the prosecutors have to deal with losing it if they can’t show a parallel investigation had a reasonable chance of discovering it.
“Fruit of the poisonous tree” is how I’ve always heard this one; don’t know if that’s the actual legal term or not.
The gun, forgery, and ID; maybe. How he was “found”, no
Sad that this innocent man needs to defend himself. I wish they would look for the real killer.
the real killer? isn’t brian thompson already dead?
Did they investigate the potential that this was a suicide?
Didn’t say they were alive or even above ground.
nope, Andrew witty and MR hemseley of UHG. funny thing these ceo are all originally from the UK.
Wait until the facts come out and everyone realizes The Adjustor is still out there somewhere.
You know, the guy in the video that shot the CEO and had thin brown eyebrows that were far apart. The guy who disappeared without a trace leaving his backpack full of Monopoly money. The idea that someone that careful would buy a similar jacket and backpack and put a confession and the disposable murder weapon inside was always incredibly stupid. Luigi didn’t do it for real.
and MCD lady was looking for a free payday so she named the next random person that “looked liked the killer”
Has he considered running for office?
He needs to.
Yup, that’s how you get out of jail.
Won’t matter.
He’s up against the state who have shown that I f they have to break their own laws they will
<3 Luigi
The revolution has started lol, billionaires are scared shitless
I love your attitude, but… it’s far from started. One person died, and Luigi could be innocent. Which means it was probably a hit and not a political thing.
Pfft, really now?
No they aren’t scared shitless. They’re cautious and aware. They just want to make an example of him.
It is like when people thought that guy who tried assassinating Trump was for the better of the country. Nah, he was just some psycho in the same political party as Trump was, just had dumb reasons to do it.
Armchair revolutionists wouldn’t know a revolution even if it happened near them.
Let me know when at least 10 more CEOs get killed then we’ll see.
you can tell when MUSK is using his toddler as human shield, i think he abandoned him already though.
He turned 27 today, if anybody is looking for a new reason to donate.
You misspelled deductible
