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here are two of the proposed community icons

https://bonfirenetworks.org/

http://campground.bonfire.cafe/

I said what I meant: voting is not harm reduction, and voting for Harris didn’t reduce any harm

How does anti-electoralism prevent alternatives from gaining traction?

I didn’t say it does. you are arguing with a strawman

I think you should just read what you wrote. you seem to be able to put the words in the right order, without understanding what they mean.

voting Harris didn’t reduce any harm, but it did prevent real alternatives from gaining traction.

bacteria, fungus, plants, protozoa, and (arguably) viruses are all alive, too. bed bugs. rattlesnakes. being alive isn’t actually that special, nor a reason, in itself, to refrain from eating or killing that thing.

i know but there is definitely a double entendre in there.

harm reduction has a specific meaning, and voting is not harm reduction

guilt-framed

you shouldn’t treat animals like smartphones, either. you treat different things differently.

there must be some difference, since they didn’t get the same result

every other society that has kept trump-like figures from seizing power…

tehy also weren’t stuck with trump-vs-trumplight for 60+ years as their only options. voting for trumplight and getting trump seems like it should be a probable outcome, and having better options to begin with seems like a better strategy than hoping full-fat trump isn’t selected. of course there’s also the problem that the democrats have been complicit in concentrating power in the executive for that entire time, so when someone gets in and uses the power in a way they don’t like (or pretend not to like), tehy really only have themselves to blame.

it’s still the most effective strategy so far

other societies have prevented trump-like figures from seizing power. we could look to them for the kinds of things we could try. or you could keep feeding the same machine that made trump in the first place.

it was the least effective strategy, since he seized power twice. it totally failed twice.

but it failed twice. it has a 33% success rate, and even when it supposedly succeeded he continued to weild power.

from my perspective, it is the same strategy that created a political climate in which trump could be effective, and has failed twice now to stop him from seizing the presidency.