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  • BECAUSE, not just die in a car that caught fire, but actually BECAUSE of the fire. That's what we have seen documented many times with regard to BEV. Always explained as being because the battery fires are explosive, so you only have seconds to get out.

    An ICE car does not catch fire in that way, and even if they are much more common, the vast majority are relatively harmless.Seems to me the people responding to me negatively are the ones that are not in good faith, pointing to statistics that don't show what they claim.

    That 1 in 80 fires are BEV doesn't say much if BEV is only 1% of cars, and it doesn't say much if the lethality in a BEV is 10 times as high. The stats need to show a usable picture, not just snippets that separated from context are useless.

    To die in a fire, does not necessarily mean to die because of the fire, the death can easily have happened in an accident that caused both death and the fire.

  • Those statistics are not specific on the things we are debating.I'm not claiming people aren't dying in car fires in ICE cars, what I'm claiming is that it is more common to die BECAUSE of a car fire in an EV. (when weighing that EV cars are still a minority).And we don't have that stat.And trucks are NOT cars. Trucks are different because they have potential flammable cargo.

  • But second, keep in mind that for a lot of people, most companies are still responsible members of society; “pillars of the community,” and generally worthy of trust. It’s not because they’re dumb, it’s because they’ve been propagandized into believing it.

    Oh boy that is so true, I was laughing my ass off during the financial crisis about how people were shocked that banks are businesses trying to maximize profits like any other business.

    They genuinely thought that banks were some sort of community institution that existed to help people with their finances, and not businesses that are selling products to make money.

    Still even if people are so ignorant that they are unaware of privacy issues, they have chosen to be willfully ignorant, because this issue has been talked about non stop for decades. For nothing to sieve in at some point, you have to be a special kind of willfully ignorant.Even people that are very low information on technology, know that the Internet is a source of potential surveillance, and having your info on the internet in any form is a potential for being surveilled. Everybody knows that all the big IT companies are trying to gather as much information as they can. And Amazon is right at the top among them.So to claim they were ignorant of Amazon possibly collecting and sharing their data is a bit far fetched IMO.

  • Question is why they bought a Ring camera in the first place?There is no way they can have been unaware that these gadgets can be accessed from outside.But it was only when the evidence was put right in their face they finally connected the dots?

    So my answer is quite simple: Because they are stupid, and bought a sleazy product from a known sleazy company, and when they found out it was in fact as sleazy as could be expected, they figured that maybe they didn't want to to be voluntarily surveilled anyway.

  • much lower fire hazard than ICEs.

    Oh for fucks sake, an ice car burning a couple of cables because of overheating in the engine compartment is not comparative to an EV battery catching fire.You are comparing apples and oranges.

  • A car fire doesn't have to mean more than a couple of wires catching fire due to an overheated engine.It's not like the infamous beancounter case where GM failed to recall cars where the gas tank had a high risk of catching fire.Because it was cheaper to pay damages than to repair the car. Car fires are common, but deadly car fires are not.Just because people die in a car that caught fire, doesn't mean they died BECAUSE the car caught fire.That's the kind of fire we are talking about when an EV catches fire.

  • That people were covered in gasoline? I don't think the stat says that.

  • But he is ENTITLED to his wealth, he is obviously entitled to exploit others and to be extremely privileged.You know that because he is rich, he is a higher class of being, a class that needs to be protected because it's only fair that some people have all the privileges.

    /s (just in case)

  • Yes I bet they have massive problems with Vikings roaming the streets and pillaging everything, as has always been their habit.

  • I strongly doubt that this is true.

    Maybe there aren't, but relative to we heard about this already early on with Tesla, when there were way way less than 1% of cars on the road that were electric, and ALL electric cars were new, I think there actually was a higher frequency of this problem with EV vars. BUT and that's a huge but, batteries have improved a lot since Tesla model S was introduced. So it may not be true anymore.

    without the numbers to back it up

    This has almost seemed like a cover up to me, we've heard about a multitude of problems with especially Tesla, but it has been very difficult to find for instance accident statistics.A couple of years back however some were released that showed that Tesla indeed is the most accident prone brand on the road in USA.Here in Denmark we have seen completely unheard of failure rates at mandatory safety checks for Tesla model 3 last year with 35% failure rate! That in itself is insane, but this year the 2021 model Y had a failure rate of 45% 😱 The average i 8% and that includes cars of all ages, where the 2021 model Y had this failure rate at their first check that is when the car is 4 years old.

    It's insanely annoying IMO that these kinds of data aren't always publicly available.PS I bough a VW ID.4 and for that model the failure rate at the first mandatory safety check is less than 2%!!Not buying a Tesla is a no brainer IMO, even the cheapest Chinese cars have way better record at these safety checks. And it's a similar picture for Germany, Netherlands and Sweden, so it's not just Denmark.

    Incidentally a Tesla model Y cost about twice as much as mine in insurance! Which is also somewhat telling, although the companies again don't reveal the stats behind that difference in price.

  • People refuse to believe me when I say it’s both sides.

    I agree, but it is not both sides equally, it is actually better when Democrats take control. For one they are better at balancing the budgets, where Republican gives tax cuts to the rich.Problem in USA politically is that USA has a system that naturally divides into 2 ruling parties. And those 2 parties are both right wing. There is no room for nuance, and the binary system has resulted in the extreme becoming the norm.

  • Yes where indeed.SS (Schutzstaffel) and Gestapo are the closest that come to mind.

  • The point was that there are relatively more deaths due to battery fires than gas fires, despite battery fires are rare, and part of the reason is that we have heard about them have been these stupid door handles. And because you need to get out quicker.

    Previous to electric cars, I had never heard about anyone being caught in a car and die because it caught on fire.

  • For fucks sake, I took the 3 first that Google showed me, I'm sure there are loads more.As it is, there is zero reason to think the story is false.They may be shit papers, but there are still rules about what is allowed for a paper to print in UK.I puke that you are upvoted for just saying bwuah bwuah your sources are shit, while you admit to not even knowing one of them, and you show NOTHING yourself. 🤮 🤮 🤮You are a worthless debater contributing nothing.Just whining over the quality of 4 independent sources!

  • Yes, that is true, that is the worst thing about it. Because even if Democrats win the next election, it's only a matter of time for the pendulum to swing towards crazy again, because it's part of how the American society thinks.

  • Unfortunately normal is a minority in USA.

  • I’ve been saying this since the late 90s.

    Funny, that's the same time I figured out that USA as a society is mentally ill. And is a society that normalize abuse, oppression and violence.This became clear to me a bit after the 3 strikes laws were introduced in California in 1994, California doing this and being considered among the more moderate states, was a HUGE warning sign. Also paramilitary police, stand your ground. The rhetoric describing everything as a war, the use of food-stamps instead of financial aid and on and on.

    the evidence of it is in the hundreds of general examples of how USA is a sociopathic society, and now we have Trump to make so blatantly absolutely clear, that even Americans that used to be Desensitized because of the constant exposure are beginning to see it.This is far from an anecdotal problem, that can be solved by the next election, it permeates society, and has roots in the idolization of freedom (without specifying what it actually means) and greed and money. All personified perfectly in Trump.

    Trump is a malignant narcissist, (worse than a psychopath or sociopath), but the extreme idolizing of freedom and money has turned the evils of Trump into virtues.Many Americans admire Trump for having absolutely no conscience as they see it as an expression of the ultimate freedom, and they admire his corruption and criminal behavior, because he makes money on it.

    On top of that we have the religious insanity, which Trump is also a part of, for instance believing prosperity gospel, which is an absolute bullshit con. But Trump has those crazies too.

    Trump is a picture of the state of American society, and normal people must be living in political hell in USA right now.

  • The 2008 is a pumped up 208, and is absolutely a small car, bumped up a bit from a sub compact.The CUV is not for compact, it signifies crossover which means it has driving capability like a sedan.The CUV is a pumped up sedan, the 2008 is a pumped up sub micro.

    The ID.4 I own is a medium sized car. And the explorer is actually a bit smaller.https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/ford-explorer-ev-2024-suv-vs-volkswagen-id4-2020-suv/

    Peugot 2008 / Ford Explorer comparison (Explorer is of courser the BEV version as BEV is 70% of the market here)https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/peugeot-2008-2023-suv-vs-ford-explorer-ev-2024-suv/

    The comparison between 2008 and ID.4 is not nearly as extreme here as the picture you show?https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/peugeot-2008-2023-suv-vs-volkswagen-id4-2020-suv/

    IDK if one is an American explorer and the other European?Looks like the picture you show is from the same site?

    Edit:Made the same link twice by accident. So I corrected links and added a bit of explanation.

  • AFAIK KIA and Xpeng, but you'll just have to look it up, I don't remember the brands.I Just know that although Tesla is the worst for hiding the manual, they are not entirely alone in this.In fact the car I bought is a VW ID.4, and one of the reasons is that the handle although electric can work as manual if the power is out.This was specifically demonstrated in several car reviews of the car.

  • Electric Vehicles @slrpnk.net

    Tesla’s Sales Collapsed By Nearly 90% In The Land Of EVs

    www.carscoops.com /2026/02/tesla-sales-collapse-evs-january/
  • Ukraine @sopuli.xyz

    The Collapse of Putin's Russia is beginning.

  • Electric Vehicles @slrpnk.net

    Electric car sales beat multiple records in Denmark

    fdm.dk /nyheder/nyt-om-biler/2025-10-elbiler-slaar-flere-rekorder-danmark
  • Ukraine @sopuli.xyz

    Ukraine Destroys Critical Oil Pipeline to Moscow (Jake Broe)

  • Enough Musk Spam @lemmy.world

    Tesla tumbling below top 10 on the list of preferred cars for Danes.

    www.dr.dk /nyheder/penge/tesla-er-igen-trillet-ud-af-liste-over-danskeres-foretrukne
  • Electric Vehicles @slrpnk.net

    Correct to dump Tesla at safety check.

    nyheder.tv2.dk /business/2025-07-10-korrekt-at-dumpe-teslaer-ved-syn
  • Electric Vehicles @slrpnk.net

    Warning: Tesla owners should have their cars checked for safety.

  • Nyheder @feddit.dk

    Tre ud af fire dræbte i trafikken er mænd

  • Europe @feddit.org

    The total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02.22 to 05.06.25

  • Europe @feddit.org

    Ukraine (European country) hits bridge linking Crimea (European peninsula) to (European part of) Russia with underwater explosives

    www.theguardian.com /world/2025/jun/03/ukraine-hits-bridge-linking-crimea-to-russia-with-underwater-explosives
  • Nyheder @feddit.dk

    Danmark dømt i sag om dødsfald efter benlås

    www.dr.dk /nyheder/indland/danmark-doemt-i-sag-om-doedsfald-efter-benlaas
  • Ukraine @sopuli.xyz

    Western allies lift Ukraine's restrictions on long-range weapons, says Merz

    www.euronews.com /2025/05/26/western-allies-lift-ukraines-restrictions-on-long-range-weapons-says-merz
  • Nyheder @feddit.dk

    Kartoffelmand om fængselsstraf: 'Det er en politisk motiveret dom'

    www.dr.dk /nyheder/regionale/fyn/kartoffelmand-om-faengselstraf-det-er-en-politisk-motiveret-dom
  • Ukraine @sopuli.xyz

    Russia suffers 160,000 casualties in 2025 so far, heading for war’s deadliest year – UK intel

    euromaidanpress.com /2025/05/03/russia-suffers-160000-casualties-in-2025-so-far-heading-for-wars-deadliest-year-uk-intel/
  • Electric Vehicles @slrpnk.net

    New BYD megawatt hyperchargers can top up your EV's battery as fast as filling up with petrol

    www.carmagazine.co.uk /car-news/tech/byd-charging/
  • Nyheder @feddit.dk

    Faldende salg giver Ecco underskud

    www.dr.dk /nyheder/seneste/faldende-salg-giver-ecco-underskud
  • Technology @lemmy.world

    Popular Tesla model had 'raging high dump percentage' for mandatory safety checks in 2024

    www.dr.dk /nyheder/seneste/populaer-tesla-model-havde-rasende-hoej-dumpeprocent-til-syn-i-2024
  • Linux Gaming @lemmy.world

    Borderlands 2 on Steam tips and issues

  • World News @lemmy.world

    Russian double-tap attack on Sumy hospital kills 10, injures 22, officials say

    kyivindependent.com /russian-double-tap-attack-on-sumy-hospital-kills-6-injures-1-interior-minister-says/
  • World News @lemmy.world

    Russia has destroyed all thermal power plants, nearly all hydroelectric capacity in Ukraine ahead of winter, Zelensky says

    kyivindependent.com /russia-destroys-all-thermal-power-plants-nearly-all-hydroelectric-capacity-in-ukraine-ahead-of-winter-zelensky-says/