• Fedizen@lemmy.world
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    12 hours ago

    in 20 years nobody will be buying a tesla because theyll have killed off their repeat buyers

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      When Elon’s DOGE kills the economy, I don’t know who he thinks will be able to buy his shit. Maybe he can sell in Europe.

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        Nope, here a lot of people are wising up too. And he is constantly fighting with unions. His company will be oblitherated by the Chinese EV companies.

        And Cybertrucks won’t pass certification here.

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        He won’t care, it’s all a game to him. He has already moved on from Tesla. I’d be surprised if a new model came out at this point.

        Perhaps people who truly believe they are in a simulation shouldn’t be allowed to play the game.

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    Before someone talks about the windows to justify the electronic door release, cars have had frameless doors for decades at this point, Tesla didn’t invent anything, it’s possible to have the window go down a bit with a mechanical handle and a switch that gets activated by it.

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      Or just use a gasket like subaru’s did/do. I had frameless doors in ~2000 with no electronics required.

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        7 hours ago

        Yeah they have water leak issues though (which auto lowering windows don’t as their sealed like in framed doors) but they’ve had that setup for ages.

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          Do they? I’ve been driving Subarus for over 25 years. Up until my newest one (a 2020 model) they all had the gasketed frameless windows, and I never had problems with water leakage. I suppose if the gaskets are old enough or exposed to UV enough they could wear out and need to be replaced. But that seems like a wear and tear issue and very minor in comparison to a potential deathtrap design.

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            It’s been in a known issue with Subarus forever, that and wind noise, there’s even DIY guides where it’s just people pushing the top of the window to bend the frame a bit to make it seal better!

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          I never experienced that with a Subaru I had ~15 years ago. Not even in a car wash. There may be a reason, but I dont see how this could be it. Maybe wind noise?

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            With the window not being sandwiched in a gasket with time the seal between the window and the gasket isn’t as waterproof.

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      Like… What tesla has? There are mechanical door releases, it’s the big lever on the handle.

      Yeah, it’s lacking on older models in the rear. But this car in question had those? I don’t understand how the front people didn’t get out. The rear ones, yeah, it’s quite fucked.

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        The ones they have are emergency releases and don’t activate the windows, in some models the emergency release is under the door pocket mat, under a cover that needs to be pried open, in others they’re behind the speaker grills.

        What I’m saying is that they 100% could have mechanical handles that activate the windows as the regular mean to open the doors, it’s a deliberate choice not to have them and that choice can kill people.

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    As a European i wonder how lack of mechanical opening could pass safety norms.

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    … with the Model Y in particular, not all vehicles come with manual releases for the rear doors, as Tesla warns in the car’s manual. It’s unclear if the Model Y involved in the crash was equipped with the emergency feature.

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      not all vehicles come with manual releases for the rear doors

      That sounds… Well, fucking stupid.

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      In the 80s we had this little crank. Car didn’t need to be on. Crank wasn’t electric. Crank was kid-powered. Your dad just yelled at you. “HEY!!! ROLL THE WINDOW DOWN BACK THERE!!! YA LITTLE SHIT!!!”

      And you knew it was serious, because cars back then didn’t have A.C unless you were rich. So it was 90 degrees and the inside of the car was 110. Because YOU said we should put the reflective cover in the winshield, so it wouldn’t get so hot in the car, but nooooooooo, dad said you’d only be a minute in the store. Then you come back out 45 minutes later. Which as you know, in kid time is several weeks. So now it’s hot in the car. And the seat vynal is burning your legs, because you wore shorts.

      And so you ask if you can just open the car doors for a while before you get in, but noooooooo we got places to be.

      And so now you’re getting yelled at, to crank both windows down because SOMEONE is being an asshole.

      But at least you’re not burning in a vehicle with no way out!

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          Sure, if you think of the car as the earth, the windshield as greenhouse gases, and our political leaders/you as the dad having no idea what the hell they’re talking about.

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          I think it was more of a long way to say “manual windows and door handles have worked since cars were invented, why are we reinventing the wheel and introducing new fail points on something like a door handle by making it electric?”

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            We should be asking this with everything, honestly. We don’t need an electronic juice bag presser that “needs” to be connected to your wifi in order to work, or a fridge with a giant screen and camera on the inside so you can look at what’s in the fridge without gasp opening the door!

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              I agree wholeheartedly, believe me.

              I have a lot of socially unpopular opinions regarding how technology has and is progressing, and how dependent we’re becoming on all of it.

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              The second scenario could be a little more muddy. You may be saving electricity by keeping the fridge closed and preventing the condenser from having to run as often. Mileage may vary by fridge snack checks and insulation, but it at least could be a potential power saver in theory.

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            manual windows and door handles have worked since cars were invented

            Technically untrue: the first cars didn’t have doors at all.

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      I’m not afraid. In order to be locked in a burning tesla,I’d first have to be inside a tesla.

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        Out of curiosity, if you need to ride share on Uber or Lyft and the driver has a Tesla would you continually cancel until it was a different vehicle? Im not trying to be snarky.

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          I don’t rideshare, but yes, there is zero chance I willingly get into a tesla.

          It’s basically a symbol of hate at this point. And thats on top of the wildly unsafe design.

          Plus it just LOOKS stupid.

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      13 hours ago

      You can’t unlock the new fear. You have to read the instructions for the new fear to know how to operate the new fear’s manual release.