Not to say that everyone that votes for Trump is a Nazi, but we do know who the Nazis are voting for.

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    Not to say that everyone that votes for Trump is a Nazi, …

    I’ll say it. It’s fascism. It’s been fascism for a long time. People who vote for fascism are fascists.

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      I did some door knocking with Pence’s former national security advisor last night and got to shoot the shit with her. Never thought I would be doing that.

      Suffice to say, she is firmly in the camp of “he’s a fascist,” and according to her, what he says behind close doors is even scarier.

      Also, she claims (like other Trump officials) that he doesn’t give 2 shits about his voters behind closed doors. He views them as plebs to con that so he can accumulate more wealth and more power.

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      Yeah. Everyone who votes for Trump absolutely is a Nazi. They’re supporting Orange Hitler.

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      100% true, although either way we’re voting in someone who says they will assist in further war crimes. But I guess at least we arent All fascists. So we’ve got that going for us.

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        The only war crimes you care about are the ones you can use to get fascism elected.

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          OK? and you evidently dont care about war crimes at all. This isnt about you and me though is it.

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    I’m a broken record today, but please grab a few hours to phone bank or door knock with us today. Phone banking can be done on your couch, and you won’t feel like a POS if the fascists win and you could’ve spent 2 hours after dinner on a Sunday to secure a few more votes.

    https://events.democrats.org/

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      For the first time in my life I phone banked for Harris/Walz starting last month. I was expecting to be yelled at by Trumpers but that wasn’t the case. In case anyone is nervous about making the calls, you dont call Trump supporters, you call Dems and Independents to remind them it’s time to vote and how they can get information on voting. I haven’t had any nasty calls yet.

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        Correct. The calls are very targeted toward helping people correct a ballot that isn’t being counted, or helping / nudging sympathetic voters to get out.

        A random volunteer ain’t going to be able to deprogram years of maga propaganda in a 2 minute phone call. Those calls are a waste of time. Turnout calls are more effective.

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        But how do you get their numbers? Just dial randomly and hang up if the person sounds Republican?

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          When you volunteer with a campaign, you don’t get the phone numbers and don’t use your actually cell phone. You use a dialer program where the campaign dials and connects you via your computer. So you click a button that says you are ready to do a call, the program then uses their phone system to dial someone in their system and it connects the call to you via your computer. The phone numbers come from wherever campaigns get their lists from.

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                  I’ve never done the calling or anything like that, but from what I understand they usually put the effort in calling people in battleground states, etc. Could be you live in a state where the effort isn’t worth the reward compared to another state. Or maybe your phone blocks it and considers it all spam. My phone flags all the vote texts as spam, wouldn’t surprise me if it does it for calls too.

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              The dialer software connects to a database with a huge set of phone numbers organized in various ways. The calls are often narrowly targeted - sometimes you are calling to confirm attendance at an event, sometimes you are leaving a scripted message for numbers that are known to always go to voice mail. You don’t do any literal dialing, you press a “next call” button and wait for someone to answer.

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      Plus also make sure to encourage and remind any dem leaning people you know to get out and vote. Friends, family, neighbors, etc it makes more of a difference than you might think

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        And bring a friend of your phone banking. Grab a beer, have fun with it. It’s not hard and you’re going to be targeting sympathetic voters, not the maga brainwashed.

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      Hey, I was working solo through a 42-door canvass list when I saw your post, it was encouraging!

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          Dunno, I’m not a natural at this, so I’m still “decompressing”. I kept thinking of that picture with the kid holding a sign saying “It’s so bad, even the introverts are here!”

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            lol. I feel ya. I feel like knocking for ballot curing was easier than get out the vote knocking.

            People who needed to cure a ballot had already voted, and they just needed to be told to correct something.

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        The door knocking is definitely more of a positive thing, but I got about 2-3 effective calls in a 2 hour window.

        And if you get 50 people in a phone bank, that can translate to 100 ballots cured and or people at the polls.

        And when you’re talking about elections that are won by hundreds of votes, that phone time matters.

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      I would volunteer for a campaign (or even just donate) in a heartbeat… but it’s unethical… I’m one of our nation’s poor, underpaid and overworked local news media staffers. To be clear, I’m not a journalist, but the rules preventing any appearance of impropriety apply to me as well. I can’t give up my job to work pro bono on campaigns (and it’s dubious for me to donate). I can’t have the journalists I work with appear to have any kind of hand on this (or any) election.

      I beg you, please vote for Harris/Walz… that’s my personal opinion which does not reflect the stance or opinions of my employer or any of our clients/sponsors… which include the Donald Trump for President 2024 campaign and it’s affiliated PAC’s (honestly it’s wild having the fucking Trump campaign being both the reason I cannot but barely afford my bills and the thing getting me close to paying them). Seriously, the years 2016 to 2020 were a living hell for us working in local news. Fear of constant threats if we depicted “dear leader” in any light other than brilliant magnificence. How dare we report on the things Trump said and did if it looked bad in any way. Seriously… it was the most stressed I’ve been in my entire life and I’m a queer atheist living in the deep south. Also, no, I’m not moving… all my stuff and most of my friends are here.

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    Why is everyone waiting for the perfect choice that will never come?

    I’m thinking through the last half dozen presidents and I don’t see how Kamala is far worse than any of them, that people are making comments like this

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      Lots of reasons, really. Some of them are disenfranchised with the system, some of them are probably part of a Russian campaign, and some of them are just idiots.

      December edit for clarification: while I would have preferred the country didn’t shift towards accelerated corruption under Trump, the people who are disenfranchised with the options available in the two-party system had an entirely valid reason to be.

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    And probably you should look at your ballot and vote for democratic people like Democratic representatives or local government on the democratic party. When you do that, next election will be easier to win by the Democrats. That way we can take a breather and finally abolish the stupid electoral college. It’s 2024, we can easily vote by phone 🤳. Give people a nice moth to vote on…like July maybe? So they can take a free day to vote when there are no hurricanes or snow pack or whatever bullshit happens in October. And then change over to a new government the next month.

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      Great in theory, but there are too many people who fellate the god of tradition while stroking the hard-on of American exceptionalism and are unwilling to look at any other example of functioning government.

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        Great in theory, but there are too many people

        This is defeatism and giving up before you even try.

        My state recently started allowing early voting, I voted Saturday. This year a minimum wage raise and an attempted pre-emptive ban of RCV proposition were both on the ballot. That old trope about “if you don’t vote you can’t complain” is true and we all have to participate and try to make the changes we want.

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          It’s not a defeatist attitude because I still make sure to vote in every election and do what I can to move the needle to the left.

          A pessimistic attitude, for certain. But I’m still participating to keep the candle of hope burning. I’m not defeated yet.

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    I am voting but I could throw my president vote right in the trash and it’d have the same effect thanks to the electoral college. The local shit I’m voting on will potentially have a bigger impact.

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    American authocracy at its finest… I agree one should vote, and not for Trump. But this poster is disheartening…

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      Kamela votes nullify Trump votes, Stein votes are basically the same as not voting at all.

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      Yep. Affect is verb; effect is noun. That’s how I remember. Editing text is a major part of my job, and I still sometimes have to step back and use the rule.

      And just to head them off, there’s exceptions to rules and I just don’t care about them.

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    Best and also only choice to beat a Nazi

    If Kamela wins, she MUST reorganize the US political system. She’ll be the no limits president, Supreme Court said so, she can do whatever she wants.

    Cut the shit with the electoral college. Just direct voting

    No more winner takes all. The US needs 30 political parties, not two

    Get rid of unlimited terms for any government office, especially for the supreme Court

    Just three basic things, but the real list is much, much longer.

    If Trump wins then it doesn’t matter, you’ll be living in a dictatorship for the rest of your miserable lives…

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    I hate living in a swing state. The campaign ads I’ve gotten this year are fucking insane. I keep telling myself “it’ll be over soon.” Also and yes, yes, yes, I voted for harm reduction/prevention… can I get an early break from all the mailers, texts, emails, and ads?

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    Yep. While only a small portion of republicans are nazis, all nazis sure vote for republican in these elections.

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    For fucks sake. Everyone, just vote for a candidate that best represents you, not to cancel another vote. Good luck out there.

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    No reason to vote for militarized borders, death to the planet, increased police violence and on and on which is what both the democrats and republicans will produce. Organize outside of electoralism.

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        Genocide isn’t a good. Further militarizing the border and expanding the violence against immigrants isn’t a good. Continuing police violence isn’t a good. I can keep going.

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          So vote for the known nazi instead?

          Whether you like it or not, one of the two are going to win and run the country. I’d rather try to keep it from being the nazis.

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          I see, these are the only issues to be concerned about. Yup, that’s it. There is nothing else at all. Well I guess we should just sit on our hands as others bleed. /s

          Maybe vote for someone who is more likely to negotiate over these issues. I wonder who is more likely to listen.

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            There is no indication that either candidate would listen or would have any motivation to listen. Genocide support should be a non starter but you just don’t care I guess.

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              “And I feel like there’s a lack of listening, and I just feel like I need to bring that up because it affects my life and people I really care about’s life …,” the student added.

              “And again, this is about the fact that your voice, your perspective, your experience, your truth cannot be suppressed, and it must be heard. … Our goal should be unity, but not uniformity,” Harris said. “And the point that you’re making about policies that relates to Middle East policy, foreign policy. We still have healthy debates in our country, about what is the right path. And nobody’s voice should be suppressed on that.”

              https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/30/politics/adl-kamala-harris-israel-funding/index.html

              Trump just looks out for himself.

              https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/13/politics/donald-trump-israel-netanyahu-diplomacy/index.html


              Reversing the tide takes time. Do you want to start now or later?

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                Reversing the tide takes time

                We’ll need 60% more food produced iby 2050, and we’ll be dealing with climate change and increasing water scarcity.
                Also large numbers of innocent people are being murdered daily using weapons we provide, with no progress in halting that at all-- in fact the corruption of our government looks to be permanent.

                We dont have time for slow and steady, and trusting existing systems to change when they are completely captured by foriegn interests is lunacy.

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                arms embargo day one is a basic thing anyone going for president who cares about people at all should do at the minimum. Harris is against an arms embargo ergo she doesn’t care about thousands of dead babies thus she should have zero power over anyone.

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                  arms embargo day one is a basic thing anyone going for president who cares about people at all should do at the minimum.

                  Good luck getting anyone into presidency who would do this. This genocide isn’t a sudden affair, it’s a continued issue that spans decades.

                  You think we’re gonna solve it in a day?

                  How long was the Vietnam War? Afghan war? Nearly 20 years, and those were wars where the US was directly involved.

                  How long has the Israel-Hamas war being going for? Just over a year (if we say it started on 7th Oct 2023).

                  You want progress? You want the genocide to stop? Then you vote for someone that will lean towards progress. Not voting is the worst thing you can do.

                  Always vote. https://youtu.be/_gbDAvK42yA?t=197