So when, and i do mean when, this results in a crash, who will be held responsible?
Biden
Hillary with her butterymales?
Well we have already had deaths due to the current crunch (and not paying them) of us air traffic controllers.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/laguardia-collision-air-traffic-control-ntsb-9.7140479
And who was blamed for those? Oh yeah the traffic controllers! So when grok starts seeing how many 737s can fit in the same physical space, it will be the controllers fault. As you can imagine this will make those controllers want to quit, meaning more pressure to use shit like AI tools.
Liberals.
Fortunately the world is going to run out of aviation fluid next week so we won’t have to find out.
If it’s the ATC then it’s their fault, if it’s AI then it’s no one’s.
Obviously it’s the DEI
The remaining humans in ATC for “not having supervised the AI agents appropriately”, of course!
We don’t have enough air traffic controllers.
We use AI to reduce their workload. <---- We are here
We don’t need as many air traffic controllers.
We sack more air traffic controllers.
We don’t have enough air traffic controllers.
when you have the pilot and microslop copilot:
for entertainment purposes only
Prompt unclear, plane stuck in skyscraper.
“you’re absolutely right! I have revised my response, here are some better instructions…”
Revisions unclear… A second plane has struck a skyscaper.
Next revision lead to invading Antarctica to hold them responsible for the attack on US.
Oh wait, this already basically happened with tariffs:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-trumps-tariffs-still-100000498.html
Maybe this will finally bring back a solid rail and bus transit infrastructure again.
Where are the Maglev Bullet Trains we were promised?
China and Japan
China is a perfect model. They built their bullet train system FAST, like in a decade. America needs to do that, but also keep the ticket prices down.
So AI can kill people there as well?
So even flying over America without landing there is going to become dangerous.
Best choose flights with Polar routes, going the other way around or which fly over South America instead.
If they just limited our freedom to travel, people would get suspicious.
I tried to use AI to install a reverse osmosis water system yesterday, I asked it to look at manual for hose colors to match them, I figured it would save me a few mins.
After an hour of it not working and trying all sorts of nonsense I looked in manual to have it show me it had given me all the wrong information to a simple task.
I can’t wait to have people’s lives reliant on this technology.
AI is a pretty big catch-all term. If they mean specially designed and trained deep learning neural nets, maaaaybe it’ll be okay. If they mean typical LLMs we’re straight up fucked.
Exactly. With a broad enough term those computerized screens showing the position of all the planes is “AI”.
I watch an art restorer out of Chicago on youtube, and he’s developing his own AI to help restorers. He says it’s a closed system. Is that something that could work? I’ve been wondering about that since he announced. (Baumgartner, if you’re interested).
I just saw an ad for using ChatGPT to “come up with new recipes and baking ideas”
Yeah I’m sure having a bunch of people decide to eat whatever a hallucinating AI comes up with isn’t going to be dangerous at all…
I’ll look it up and try to find it. But I’m pretty sure there’s a YouTube video where they actually did ask Chat GPT to come up with new recipes and baking ideas and then they tried to make them to the results you would expect.
Edit: ok, so it looks like there are a whole lot of YouTubers making AI recipes to the expected results. So Google away.
Powered by Grok?
Fuck AI for this, but there’s a lot of room in ATC for further automation. To be perfectly honest, if the planes can more or less land themselves, and they’re all fly-by-wire, I could see nearly automating the whole thing. Phase it in over a 10-year plan… computers HAVE to be able to be better at this than one unpaid, overworked, under-rested controller.
I’m all for automation if it works and if it improves safety but as far as I know they haven’t proven that yet. I’d like to see an AI air traffic controller running in a simulation for many many years of simulation time first before we would even begin to talk about implementing it in real hardware.
That’s the problem. No one wants to test Ai like that. Just dive right in and use it, I’m sure it’s great!
Could test it out at small low-volume/non commercial airports first & go from there
I’d start with computer Sims before putting people’s lives on the line, but then from your suggestion
And when someone dies, and they will, we decide to roll it out everywhere? As long as there’s profit in it!
The question is whether the AI or the human is more prone to mistakes. It’s hard to do that without real world tests, unfortunately.
Like self driving cars. Of course they’re going to be involved in crashes where people die, but humans are such terrible drivers that the computers are better (except for Tesla which just has mislabeled lane assist)
Counterpoint: just look at the Air Canada crash that recently happened where a controller let a fire truck cross in the path of a landing aircraft.
Planes may have all this technology but that only involves what’s happening in the air, not on the ground.
Now maybe all ground crew could have vehicles equipped with transponders and tracked as well, but there are also incidents of people randomly ending up on the runways / taxiways, or animals, or non airport vehicles.
With the amount of AI powered cameras being put up around cities around the world… Yea they could use tech like that to monitor runways too
AI is fine for this… assuming we’re talking about a specifically trained machine learning model that is actually made to handle ATC and not just shoehorning an LLM into a job it was never intended to do.
Honestly, I’d put it at too high a risk for weighted models. We have ton’s of pathfinding navigation code out there that could solve this outright on a raspberry pi :) not that i’d reccomend the pi…
Yet another reason not to go to the USA.
We just need one rich asshole in a private jet to crash due to ATC failure for them to care.
LOL. Fuck that. I’m not flying.
Forget flying, you’ll be getting Donnie Darkoed in your bedroom.
Well, once the mistakes start to pile up I will probably get a lot less judgement from others about my apprehension of flying.
In the future when anyone suggests some cockamamie idea, they are going to say “That was another Trump era failure. We already tried it, and it didn’t work.”
Then some dummy will say “Yeah, but that was Trump. He was an idiot. We’ll do it right!” And then we’ll waste another few billion.
Exactly.
Bold of you to assume there is a future
Bold of MAGA to think the future is theirs. It’s not. We will have the future we want.
MAGA can’t survive, they are too virtuosically incompetent, and far too stupid to recognize it, so they will eventually collapse under the weight of their own breathtaking ignorance.
It’s up to MAGA to decide how far they want to go before they lose, and they’ll probably want to go scorched earth, because they’re psychotic like that. But we won’t let them, and scorched earth will apply to MAGA and their Socioathic Oligarchs.
It’s going to take strong Democratic leadership, so that means the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries need to be ejected (and investigated, I’m not positive these losers aren’t Manchurian MAGAs), and replaced by people who are aggressive about playing Hard Ball.
Preach
People need to stop saying that they expect that there will be no punishments for the breath-taking corruption we’ve been subjected to for years. Politicians are inherently lazy and greedy, and if we send the message that we expect them to betray us, and we will accept it, that’s exactly what they’ll do, and go back to their favorite pastime, insider trading.
They need to hear the message loud and clear, that we expect retribution for the CRIMES of MAGA, and we won’t accept ANY excuses. If we weaponize out votes to take back this country AGAIN, and they squander it AGAIN, there won’t be a third time.
It will just be the French Revolution, starring The Guillotines, and the Dems will be in line, just as much as the MAGAs.
So Trump will be the Simpsons for fucking stupidity.
Well, the Simpsons already are that for stupidity, so yeah, he’ll beat the Simpsons, if for no other reason that his goofs have real-life consequences.
Oh helllll to the nawh nawh nawh
