No? We just gonna sit around and let Nazi Germany 2.0 happen? Maybe waggle your finger a bit at them? Cool. Yeah. Okay. I love our leaders, they’re so commited to the freedom and wellbeing of their people.
God I wish the Red Army was here to save our asses like last time.
Firstly, America is not nazi Germany 2.0, nazi Germany was America 2.0.
Secondly, Who will declare war on America?
China? They already are preparing for WW3 scenarios and Trump’s statements do nothing to change the timeline of preparations
Russia? They are already at (proxy) war with the US
Iran or North korea? They have enough defensive capabilities to have a good chance of defeating a US invasion (which appears to be a matter of when not if). But no real offensive capabilities against the US (discounting US satelites).
India or NATO minus the US? Their ideological conviction would lead them to siding with American fascism rather than against it. Like, why would they invade the heartland of world-historical fascism when they themselves are fascist?
We just gonna sit around and let Nazi Germany 2.0 happen?
Modern america doesn’t a tenth the (relative to the rest of the world) military or economic power that Nazi Germany did. And that’s becauseother countries haven’t been sitting on their asses all this time. They’ve been struggling for decades to create the multipolar world.Modern america doesn’t a tenth the (relative to the rest of the world) military or economic power that Nazi Germany did
That doesn’t seem to be true. What is your source?
“They have enough defensive capabilities to have a good chance of defeating a US invasion”
Lol, you really believe that? If the US wanted to, they could go into Iranian airspace and take out whatever they wanted to and leave without Iran even being able to detect them.
Yanqi devils have learned nothing from not winning a single boots on the ground war since 1945.
The US has threatened to invade and destroy Iran for at least the last 30 years. If they actually could invade Iran that easily, don’t you think they already would have?
Fucking armchair general
brainless comment.No, they wouldn’t. The US could wipe out countries all over the globe if they wanted to, but that doesn’t mean their going to do it. There’s a lot of factors that go into deciding something like that. The US has the weaponry to go into Iran undetected and take out their nuclear facilities and leave without ever being spotted. Matter of fact, right now the US has 6 B21 bombers loaded with bunker buster bombs sitting outside of Iran right now just in case the nuclear negotiations do not go as planned, although I suspect they will since Iran has lost so much power lately. One reason we don’t just go in and start bombing though is because we don’t have issue with the Iranian people. It’s just their leadership. Another reason, just like with Putin in Russia, if we were to take their leadership out, we don’t know who will replace them and we don’t want another situation like Syria or Libya.
The US also has bigger fish to fry. Iran is nowhere near the biggest threat to the US, so for now, the smarter move is to negotiate with them and keep the financial pressure on them which should be enough for now.
The US has lost every war it’s started since WW2
I find it really hard to argue that the US lost in Libya or Iraq.
Yeah it just depends on the goal stated, because war is politics. If the political goal in Iraq was overthrowing the government and getting oil, the US won. If it was ending resistance in the middle east, the US failed. If it was to create a chaotic region which can be used for profit and war for the coming centuries, the US won. Libya is almost exactly the same.
The US has several times achieved its material goal while failing its stated goal. They might do that in Iran, too, though I think it’ll be harder than Iraq was because Iran learned from the past decades and I’m unconvinced that the US did
Aren’t stated goals kind of irrelevant? The stated goal of invading Iraq was to rid them of imaginary WMDs. The US invaded to loot, destroy and destabilize. All those goals were achieved.
For sure but that’s my point. To throw it in conservatives faces to make yourself feel better, use the stated goals. But, to really understand the problem of the US in the world, the stated goals isn’t relevant and leads one astray in the analysis.
It’s honestly so disheartening watching people here throw out the Millennium challenge as some kind of end-all gotcha to own the libs.
The Millennium challenge result was only achieved by Red side forces assuming motorcycles could travel cross country at the speed of light unbothered by enemy actions (they can’t), tiny speedboats could carry 4 giant ridiculously heavy anti ship missiles (they can’t), the entire Blue fleet would place themselves on the shoreline (they wouldn’t), and that it is possible to use a world ending amount of chemical and biological weapons to render your entire country’s landmass uninhabitable and therefore impervious to ground invasion.
Like, yes we get it. The US “sucks” at war. However people here are acting like the US military industrial complex is some kind of paper mache figure to blow over when in reality, it produces weapons of unimaginable destructive capability en masse. The same weapons that are killing Palestinians today, right now.
This is the opposite of material analysis and is, frankly, reactionary - a mindset I’ve seen a disturbing number of times here lately.
I wouldn’t call it “winning” when your invasion leads to nothing but state collapse, formation of ISIS and US troops getting merced by IEDs. Regional instability may be an outcome the US can live with, but it wasn’t the military goal of the invasion, they wanted to turn Iraq into a regional ally like postwar Germany and they didn’t come anywhere close to that.
What’s the evidence for that being the goal of the invasion? The US invaded Iraq to loot the country and destabilize the region. What’s my evidence for this? It happened. It’s what they did.
I wouldn’t call it “winning” when your invasion leads to nothing but state collapse, formation of ISIS and US troops getting merced by IEDs.
I don’t see how any of these things are bad for the American ruling class.
The US couldn’t defeat Afghanistan.
Defeating them wasn’t the problem. The US toppled the Taliban all the way back in 2001. What the US failed at was the rebuilding of the country and turning it over to Afghan government and military.
The US could beat Iran now but couldn’t beat the Taliban lol? Sure buddy
Well conquering a land and destroying a nation are two different things. Afghanistan isn’t some beacon of progress since being utterly decimated by the west. I don’t think the US could literally invade Iran but they could certainly slaughter people and destroy the economy without putting people on the ground. Iran’s only available retaliation would be to strike US allies in the area
The comment said invasion so destroying a nation isn’t actually winning an invasion. I wouldn’t imagine that Hexbear would have a lot of people saying that the US won in Afghanistan but they failed to ever actually achieve their goals and beat the Taliban. I think it’s obvious that if they couldn’t do that then they couldn’t beat Iran
The Taliban was their proxy though? Their actual goals were never to beat the Taliban, it was to extract resources, sell weapons, and destabilize the region which they succeeded in. I agree they couldn’t successfully invade and occupy Iran but they could definitely kill a lot of Iranians and destroy key infrastructure with little to no direct retaliation from Iran. Best Iran can do is destroy oil production in nearby US allies
The Taliban was no longer focusing as US proxy by the 2000s. The US’s goal was to extract resources and control Afghanistan and they failed to do that with a much more hostile group being successful.
Wym, they extracted resources for two decades under the guise of fighting the Taliban. Even if they weren’t directly a proxy anymore, their existence was all the US needed to be there and do that for longer than some users on hexbear has been alive.
In the world’s defense, there’s a good chance the USA absolutely collapses into a vastly regressed and impoverished state without any capabilities all on its own. Reviving an empire by military means is very expensive, and exceptionally less easy than it was 50 years ago.
War would be sort of redundant and unnecessarily punitive on people in that instance. So it seems wise to wait and see first.
There is no country capable of launching and sustaining an across ocean invasion and occupation of the united states. The us navy is everywhere and controls most shipping lanes.
To be fair, the Red Army hesitated too. War just fuckin sucks and America is batshit and has nukes.
Very likely the United States destroys itself before it can do further harm to the world; assuming some rogue warlord doesn’t shoot off nukes during the civil war
Pre-war third reich wasn’t sitting on enough nukes to end 100 worlds
Shh
Never interfere with an enemy while they’re in the process of destroying themselves.
Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake. Anyone who could do such a thing will rather watch the US eat itself and only use whatever resources they have to prepare for a post US world and defend their people during this global transition.
yeah I feel like the #1 obvious strategy for any country seeking the weakening or destruction of the US right now is just
. They’re shooting themselves in the foot again and again, why interrupt that when they’re going to be far worse off in 20 years?You just keep believing that…Trump is doing what the other politicians didn’t have the courage to do because they knew the US would take hit in the short-term, but in the end, the US will be in a much better position. The way they’ve been doing things over the past 30 years just isn’t sustainable. Something had to be done about it so I’m willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt
Trump is not reviving economic planning or industrial policy with his tariffs. Just because the US needed to re-industrialise, and just because protectionism would have been part of any re-industrialisation policy does not mean that Trump’s policy is not phenomenally short sighted.
The simple fact is that without imposition of
- Maximum import quotas (differentiated by good)
- Capital export controls
- A strong welfare program
- An expansionary fiscal budget
- Nationalisation of key industries
It is practically impossible for the US to re-industrialise. And each of these policies is critical because
- Import quotas can directly limit the quantity of goods coming in unlike tariffs which have huge distortions effects and have a difficult to predict outcome
- Preventing the outflow of dollars prevents people from cheating Import quotas or tariffs. Preventing the outflow of machinery allows that to be invested in your country.
- This is needed to create a workforce that is actually healthy and smart enough to fix the economy.
- This is needed to run your economy to its physical limits rather than artificially created financial ones.
- This is needed because re-industrialisation requires the bourgeois class yo give up on a lot of profits, so you need to take control of industries away from them.
Holy shit an actual unironic Maga hog. You can be today’s pain piggy until I feel like reenacting old yeller
Trump is doing what the other politicians didn’t have the courage to do
Do what, exactly?
the way they’ve been doing things the past 30 years is unsustainable
I mean yeah capitalism is unsustainable
Oh and also
“He didn’t shit in my mouth for no reason, there has to be a reason for this poop to be in my mouth so I’m going to eat it without question. I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt”
That’s wild work to just walk in here. You may want to consider Weenie Hut Jr.
Here’s how you can tell America is winning:
the US will be in a much better position
the position? on its hands and knees
This is the kind of person who thinks it’s us who “DoEsN’t uNdErStAnD bAsIc EcOnOmIcS!”
You’re right that what’s been going on the last 30 years is unsustainable. But what you’ve gotten the last years has been full-on, uncut pure capitalism and Trump is just trying to solve that with even MORE capitalism. Yeah sure that should work…
yes, pushing as much of the workforce into unemployment as possible and slapping huge taxes on everything people need to survive is totally the recipe for building bright future. don’t forget to fire all the scientists, because their research doesn’t jive with your ossified religious structures. feudal economics ass brain.
fuckin’ maga losers can’t even keep their story straight.
Oh also
I will agree that I don’t think most American politicians have what it takes to press the Destroy Empire Button
HOG IS BACK IN SEASON FOLKS!
Ah yes, a collapsed economy and destruction of the work force and access to trade definitely is going to help the US. Definitely, I believe this because I’m delusional
Destruction of the workforce? You mean the illegals that invaded our country and took our jobs? The ones driving down wages for everybody else?
Go back to Europe if you feel so upset about it
I’m absolutely talking out of my butt now, but the US still has nukes and is OK with using them offensively. The best bet is to let a defensive war happen.
Nukes, the US surrounded by two oceans and a frigid wasteland making a full-scale invasion almost impossible, nukes, the USD being the world’s reserve currency, nukes, the US’s propaganda game being strong enough that there will be plenty of vassals willing to take the hit, nukes, the willingness to use nukes, nukes.
I think the rest of the world correctly decided it’s probablly safer to let the naked guy screaming slurs and waving a knife around just tire himself out.
Okay but what if I were to purchase fast food and disguise it as my own cooking?
… You sneaking mice in there?
NO DONT CHECK
If there was a collapsing unstable nuclear armed Nazi state, I would simply get as far away as possible and not engage
War sucks, so everyone’s gonna try to kick the can down the road as much as they can.
Honestly nevermind the nukes, the US is the current hegemonic power, the dollar the current hegemonic currency. Some countries might be starting to break away from the dollar, but basically all the countries powerful enough to act against America still have their economies intertwined with America’s, so they would be tanking their own economies by doing so. Even China would suffer massive economic damage from destroying America currently. Even without the threat of nukes it would be difficult to convince people to make the necessary sacrifices to their quality of life.
