I saw a video of the guy crying in his car after confronting the people who kidnapped his dog and sold it.
Heartbreaking. He might just go John wick on their ass.
They stole his beloved pet and sold it to be slaughtered.
Most people see their pets as family. How would you feel if someone did that to your pet or family member you loved?
It’s enough to make someone go on a vengeance spree. It really is.
Billions of animals murdered for food every year: 😊
Celebrity doggo eaten: 🤬😤😡“We eat large mammalian quadrupeds, so we’re civilised. They eat large mammalian quadrupeds, so they’re barbaric”
Being mad they eat bugs is basically chauvanism too, but at least it’s taxonomically coherent.
Honestly dog meat is on it’s way out just from Western influence anyway.
What the actual …… 😕
Well, there’s quite the headline.
Maybe china should focus its governmental might on stopping illegal meat butchers instead of stopping gay people from using public spaces.
A) It’s not illegal. It’s a dog, it’s a valid meat source in most regions of the world.
B) You’re severely misunderstanding (or were made to misunderstand) China’s LGBT stance. You can be gay in public (hell Chongqing would be under martial law if that were illegal), you cannot make pornography. That’s the only rule, and that also applies to straight content. The only LGBT crackdowns that have happened have been porn crack downs that happened to include, not specifically target just include, LGBT content creators.
There’s more openly gay people in China than there are gay people in the entire Western world bro.
China treats LGBT folks equally to cishets.
Looks inside
No gay marriage
So the definition of systemic homophobia. Not even the bare minimum.
No, they can just legally join in partnership and have all of the same government incentives as married people… They just don’t call it marriage since marriage is for incentivizing procreation.
People would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
https://legalclarity.org/is-gay-marriage-legal-in-china-rights-and-options/
And let’s live in the alternate reality you’re talking about for a minute. Can two straight people get married in China with no intention of procreation? Can two gay people get married if they’re planning to adopt? Can they even adopt? Come on man, I get being wrong, but don’t double down on it.
And let’s live in the alternate reality you’re talking about for a minute
We’ve been in reality for quite a bit.
Can two straight people get married in China with no intention of procreation?
It’d be really, really weird culturally and a huge risk most aren’t willing to take. Also if you’re a straight foreigner marrying a chinese national your application will almost certainly be denied if you state you’re not willing to have kids, since that’ll be seen as a fake marriage trying to gain Chinese spousal residency.
Can two gay people get married if they’re planning to adopt?
Since they can enter into a mutual guardianship and adopt yes? You people get tripped up on the word ‘Marriage’ way too much. A rephrasing would be can two gay people cohabitate, share full financial resources, get tax breaks, and adopt? Sure. Can they get ‘married’? No. The difference is entirely without substance at this point, but because Stalin was so incredibly anti-gay, we’re still suffering through the lasting ‘but that’s not the right way’ nonsense cultural war he started so you can’t call it marriage.
Can they even adopt?
Yes.
Come on man, I get being wrong, but don’t double down on it.
I live here half the year, dumbass. You are objectively the incorrect one, in anything you say about China.
Would two gay men in guardianship refer to each other as their ‘husband’ (i.e. the word that a heterosexual couple would use), or is there a different word for it? Not trying to be argumentative just curious how closely guardianship is culturally associated with marriage.
It entirely depends on the couple and region, 老公 (basically husband, most commonly heard between long time girlfriends to their boyfriends) is common enough to count, but 情人 can and is also used, which is closer to ‘lover’ but is used for any type of close intimate relationship including cishet married couples.
I had thougt that was limited to certain cities?
Nope Guardianship is available country-wide (I can’t find an english language document that goes into more recent updates which allow property and tax breaks.) Beijing, Hong Kong, and the entire province of Taiwan all recognize marriages from outside of china though, which is where that gets confused.
Unfortunately the overall chinese public isn’t really up to voting for more explicitly stated parity of rights due to a lack of educational push in that direction, which is compounded by the general public’s lack of interest, and so on.
the entire province of Taiwan all recognize marriages from outside of china though
Chinese propaganda detected
Ah yes, the chinese propaganda of 209 countries and the UN all being in agreement.
you cannot make pornography. That’s the only rule
Nope, that’s categorically false in every possible way, even if we’re being pedantic. For the sake of informing those who might have been misled by this (since I have little doubt you’re being intentionally disingenuous
as campists often are) Here’s a couple relevant excerpts from the Wikipedia article on LGBTQ rights in China:[LGBTQ] people in the People’s Republic of China (PRC) face legal and social challenges that are not experienced by non-LGBTQ residents. While both male and female same-sex sexual activity are legal, same-sex couples are currently unable to marry or adopt, and households headed by such couples are ineligible for the same legal protections available to heterosexual couples. No explicit anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people are present in its legal system, nor do hate crime laws cover sexual orientation or gender identity.
Under Chinese Communist Party (CCP) general secretary Xi Jinping, LGBTQ venues and events have been forced to shut and LGBTQ rights activists have become subject to greater scrutiny by the country’s system of mass surveillance. The CCP increasingly considers LGBTQ advocacy the work of "foreign forces”. LGBTQ content is censored. Authors of boys’ love works are routinely arrested and criminally prosecuted.
Yup this underlines what i meant very well, especially the excerpt from wikipedia.
I already addressed this but good try little buddy. I hope they’re giving you overtime pay.
You didn’t, silly. You said being gay isn’t illegal, which sure, is conditionally true, but neither was being a free black person in post-slavery America, and yet we hopefully both know how that demographic was treated then, if not even now.
Besides, my goal isn’t to address something you did before me, but to point out how, intentionally or not, you’re leaving out very important info that lays out the mis-or-disinformative nature of your point. You can’t talk about the quality of a book if you’ve only read a single chapter.
Anyway, feel free to continue implying something along the lines of me being on the payroll of the all-powerful capitalist oligarchs of the world or something. It’ll really help your point.
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Facts. Hmm… no getting around them sometimes?
Feel free to engage with the conversation if you believe that any of my counter claims are wrong. Breaking community and lemmy.world global rules isn’t a smart way to do that.
Claims made:
Dog meat isn’t illegal, except in some provinces.
Being LGBT publicly isn’t illegal.
Which also includes linked to the claims about Chongqing, since it’s incredibly well known (along with Chengdu, of course.)
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you didn’t say “except in some provinces”, therefore your first little white lie
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North Korea allows voting, and in the USA it’s legal to criticize Trump in front of ICE. Most people will get the point I’m making with that, but I’m sure it’ll go over your head.
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“except in some regions of the world” covers that in my opinion, and honestly I forgot that foreigners pressured the local governments in a couple of places to ban dog meat after covid. This covers less than 10% of the Chinese population, and isn’t relevant to the story, but at least this is an actual criticism this time. Congrats.
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Except unlike your Trump example, I’ve actually provided evidence the propaganda your masters told you to believe is wrong. The ban is on pornography. Yes China had an anti-lgbt period that it’s still getting over in the public consciousness, which is a serious topic that needs actual nuance and good faith attempts at understanding to discuss, and I’m happy to go into that to educate you if you would like as it’s actually super interesting. What does not happen is the boogeyman tracking down gay people in their own homes doing gay things.
The official stance held by the central government and all city and province governments is “gay people are people, why discriminate like the west does”
Lol I like how you completely ignored I mentioned North Korea too. Guess it’s because it’s also Tankie land
Because it’s not relevant to this or any other discussion and we’ll never agree on anything related to North Korea if you cannot even accept easily verifiable facts that go against your owners’ narrative on China.
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Yet another Chinese certified L
I bet it made a heckin wholesome chungger of a steak
Am I missing something?
Nothing in the article itself suggests that we know what happened to the dog after it was stolen other than the headline.
The article just ends after this part:
Guo cut short his trip and rushed back to China to search for him.
Checking the archive didn’t turn up any more of the article.
Same for me with noscript
I think the rest of the article is locked behind javascript, there was a fade and a button to load the rest of the article.
How strange, since I don’t see any button at all. It’s just the end of the page and the footer for me.
Yes to this, foreign dogs are worth more money as pets. Local common breeds are the only ones that get used for meat.
Wtf
I’m sorry but this line is so absurd i can’t stop laughing
Anyway, this is a matter on the levels of disable someone
Maybe just stop eating dogs eh?
Just as valid as eating a pig.
(However valid you think that is)
People typically don’t eat their pets. Regardless if dog or pig.
Depends on how you view the food chain. If you’re against eating mean for environmental reasons, carnivores are much more unethical then eating herbivores.
I’ve never understood the idea of farming carnivores for meat because of how much more costly the process must be.
Dogs and pigs are both omnivores
Dogs can live fine on a vegetarian diet, and pigs will happily eat meat or predate. They’re both highly social omnivores. Most likely, they get the same kind of food when farmed, too.
The comparison gets more difficult to prove with cows, and a lot more difficult for chickens. But, a pig is almost the same animal ecologically, and people have pet pigs that live in their house just like a dog.
expand that to all animals and you’re really on to something
You say that like plants don’t die when we eat them too
genius.
There’s a massive difference of plants growing in fields and being cut down to animals being kept in their own shit where they can’t even turn around for years.
Oh and you know what kills more plants? It being grown for animal feed.
- yeah, plants can’t run or cry.
- i’m not tryna save anything. Fuck this planet. Stop trying to moralize killing to eat, it’s a fraught endeavour. Precisely the sort of first error that lets you generalize to inter human exploitation.
i’m not tryna save anything. Fuck this planet.
Then fuck right off these discussions. That’s right, you heard me. If you hate this planet so much then seek help or at least don’t get in the way of people who care.
Don’t waste your time and I’m sure we’ll have nothing to speak about.
So if they’re kept in an open field with plenty of space to roam about it’s fine right?
get real
Not to mention how much agriculture itself kills wildlife
What’s the majority of agricultural land used for again? Oh right, cattle feed and grazing.
Actually yea, I forgot that
While not getting into whether we should eat meat at all, if we are eating meat, I don’t see how eating dog meat is any more or less immoral than eating most other meats. Eating someone’s pet, whether it be a dog or a pot belly pig is a shit move, but I doubt the restaurant was told they were buying someone’s pet.
I can’t think of any animal that has such an innate empathetic connection to humans as dogs. Dogs can read us, and we can read them.
I find it strange how you’re getting downvoted, since there’s so much evidence to back up your point. There’s literally a whole page on Wikipedia that goes over the human-canine bond and how it’s unique.
Some points it brings up:
studies have demonstrated that both dogs and humans release oxytocin while spending quality time together.
Canines are capable of distinguishing between positive and negative human facial expressions and will react accordingly.
Psychologists believe that the relationship between human and canine is a bidirectional attachment bond, which resembles that of the typical human caretaker/infant relationship, and shows all of the usual hallmarks of a typical bond.
Canines are capable of assessing humans’ emotional states, as well as discriminating humans by levels of familiarity.
Studies have demonstrated that shelter dogs benefit from interacting with complete strangers…These results demonstrate the canines’ innate desire to form an attachment with a human
I started on 8 upvotes it’s been a tremendous journey
A study can find practically find any correlation it wants based on its premises. Studies have also found that sugar based diets are better than fat based ones. But neither are very convincing on telling about how to proceed on a specific issue.
Can you read a cat, does a cat read you?
You should not justify animals rights not to be slaughtered by their connection to humans.
Pigs are deeply empathic, horses read humans very well, and whales have complex family systems. The division “cute animals” and “edible ones” is just a cultural construct to avoid the moral atrocity.
EDIT: typos
this is absolutely it, people feel they have deep connections to their pets and that the experience of other animals must be shallow and meaningless by comparison, its a sample issue and a cultural bias.
You’ve never had a friend chicken. God damn are chickens cute, friendly animals if you keep one as a pet. Almost makes me feel bad eating them, all animals are empathetic if you spend some time with them.
Wild dogs don’t, and some people don’t have any interest in an empath9c connection with dogs. After that, most animals are deeply interested in their own survival.
Wild dogs are very scary
Some “domestics” are scary too
No, you anthromorphize and project on them, but you don’t read them. They are an animal and we have no way of knowing what they think. What we have is a cultivated relationship through years of selective breeding, same as could be done with plenty of animals given the reason and time.
I’m glad you love your pet, but you don’t know if they love you. You assume based on human projection, forgetting they are not human.
Now add human into that sentence
it’s a safety concern. Cannibalism spreads diseases easier.
Human meat, much like rabbit meat, can cause “rabbit starvation” so I suppose that’s another reason. Plus people get their panties in a wad if you start talking about eating other people for some reason. I personally think there’s plenty of fat billionaires I would not mind eating.
Nah cannibalism is cringe
Kill the billionaires and turn them into corpse fertilizer instead!
So does the gigantic animal industry we have today.
Which one? They wrote two sentences.
technically everything has a consciousness including plants, beans etc so you lose high ground if youre going to play a moral card in any of this. plants just can run away or scream.
it can still be tragic to eat an animal companion.
let’s just not pretend someone holds sll the moral cards for not eating consciousness to stay alive. nobody in these fleshbags holds any of the high ground there.
If you believe plants experience suffering, and would like to reduce suffering, you should go vegan. The reason is that by eating meat, you kill or harm way more plants — the plants that have been eaten by the animals you eat.
I think the point is that we all eat food, and at some point in it’s production, some suffering happened. and that’s alright
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this has nothing to do with privilege. it’s talking about the democracy of food.
this is the peak of privilege
why won’t you leave me alone
I tend to respond to bad takes.
To be clear: I am not disagreeing about introducing more plants to replace meats and other unhealthy stuff on a health and economic perspective. That path of awareness is not what im having a problem with.
What i am disagreeing with is that you or anyone who is eating plant based is using the reasoning that you’ve absolved suffering overall somehow by going vegan. this path of thinking creates a problem for everyone you cannot possibly solve. including yourself.
This is suggesting we must only ever hold an awareness that to live is to suffer and continue imposing suffering on others. And it doesnt matter what you subsitute. It is all suffering from the consciousness perspective if everything is made of consciousness in order to exist(create and distribute). everything you ever consume will have held conscious and will have affected consciousnrss in order to exist and be available to you.
you will never find a solution to that while you exist as a human that requires to consume consiousness to continue to exist. at least in this form as a human. there is no altruistic answer in this kind of an argument.
plants cant scream. they cannot run. they might not have a fluffy tail and do not lick your face but they are still conscious. And that does not make you any less of a monster in this vilifying moralistic scenario you’ve manifested to shove towards all of humanity.
Can you cite the scientific study that or the philosopher who says with so much confidence that plants (or even animals, for that matter) have consciousness? Don’t get me wrong, my personal belief is closer to your statement, but I have always held that as belief, not fact.
Sure, but not all dogs are pets.Edit: Yep, wrong comment.
i not sure nor can i imagine what that answers in anything ive said here. so im just going to assume you’ve misread and misposted and are lost or just a shitposter.
This hits close to home since my dog actually escaped the Chinese meat market. As far as I’m aware it’s actually a big problem over there. They were owned by an (assuming) wealthy family then stolen and sold. They were part of the batch that were seized / stolen back (tbh I’m fuzzy on the details). We’ve since given her a happy life and a family, but I feel a little morbid that fate could’ve swayed the other way and they would’ve been someone’s dinner.
do you eat any other animals?
That’s just Doomslayer.
Should have sold the dog as a pet. Previous owner paid $300USD for him.
Welcome to China’s huge gap between cities and some rural areas. Where the parents (from where the dog was stolen) live, there may not have been a market for a pet.
But restaurants have needs all the time.
