Even if I had low self-esteem and still wanted to try to have class solidarity with the working class, you can’t have solidarity if they largely don’t respect you

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    What is your goal in posting this? To simply paint working class people as largely anti-trans and then say you don’t support their rights because of that? If they don’t support your rights and you don’t support their rights I hate to break it to you, but you are no better than they are. Both you, and them, are operating from a position of individualistic ignorance and selfishness. Only caring about issues that directly effect you without realizing EVERYTHING effects you because we all have to live on the same planet. Working class people being undereducated and overworked and struggling to survive is exactly why so many of them fall for anti-trans propaganda. The very propaganda that is made by the RICH by the way. The sort of mindset your showing now is playing exactly into the hands of the rich who made that propaganda too. They want us divided. Fighting amongst ourselves. They don’t want intersectional solidarity. But you do you I guess.

  • From no solidarity with immigrants, to no solidarity with minorities, to no solidarity with the working class. How surprising.

    Is solidarity with people who don’t have solidarity with you difficult? Yes. Are you actually putting in any effort towards showing people you ever even tried to have solidarity with them, though? It sounds far more like you’ve written off the possibility long ago, and I don’t see how that would ever help shift someone else’s view to understand that trans people aren’t their enemies.

    I don’t think everyone can put in that work themselves, but if you aren’t able to, you can at least not be a roadblock. Seems like you wrote off the possibility of having solidarity, though.

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    Many trans issues are labour and working class issues. Either you’re rich or you’re shooting yourself in the foot.

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    The working class becomes more enlightened socially when it has less of its own survival to worry about, it becomes more ignorant socially when it is struggling to survive. This occurs for a few reasons, firstly they feel like their need to put food on the table and pay rent is a higher need than someone’s sexuality or gender issues and secondly because they feel their issues are competing for air in the room vs other issues.

    If total solidarity is too much for you then just look at it in a purely selfish way, improving the working class’ lives is a necessary action towards improving lgbt lives by removing these barriers.

  • Transitioning hasn’t really changed my political beliefs, but it has made me more scared of people, so I certainly reach out to people less than I otherwise would be because of it, which means my real-world actions unfortunately don’t really align with those beliefs. I see that as my shortcoming though: it’s an area I need to improve on. It’s fine to be resentful, but radicalism should include a desire to uplift the lives of even shitty people imo.

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      Transitioning hasn’t really changed my political beliefs, but it has made me more scared of people, so I certainly reach out to people less than I otherwise would

      Yeah, I’m fairly similar. Politically, being trans has only radicalized me more. Socially, being trans has made me less trustful of certain people. Cis women in particular have been especially shitty to me for some reason, and that’s hard to deal with.

      Thankfully, that stuff doesn’t usually come up in my organizing work though.

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        for some reason

        They’re scared of you. They don’t want you in their washrooms. They don’t see you as a woman. Cis women are not really allies on average

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          Yes, but I guess what frustrates me is that this isn’t just from random cis women.

          These are women I know, are ostensibly friends with, and who offered to help me transition. I’ve had people help me with something once or twice, and then get increasingly hostile over time.

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            Probably either jealously you’ve become more feminine/attractive than they thought you ever would or they were just being nice at first and got tired of the act

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              Nah, definitely not jealously. I’ve kinda stagnated in my transition, for lack of help. Transitioning is hard enough as it is, and I’m colorblind on top of that. So things like clothes or makeup are really difficult for me.

              Being nice is probably it, tbh. I’ve had women offer to help me, and later turn around and act bewildered that I actually asked for help. Like the request is unreasonable, even though they offered.

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    I’m not mad at rabid dogs for being violent, I don’t need to like or respect anyone to still desire the liberation of all people from the dehumanizing capitalist world we’re in.

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    This is not it comrade. You don’t try to change society because everyone is nice, you try because everyone deserves not to be brutalised and yolked to the whims of the bourgeois.

    You don’t need to like someone to work on behalf of them, you just have to recognise that they’re just as human as you.

    As a side effect, in a world where people are not struggling to survive and having their brains rotted by propaganda trying to make them ok with their degraded and alienated circumstances they tend to be nicer. There will always be rude, cruel, ignorant, or all three at once people in the world; we are not angels we are apes.

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    The oppressed classes always harbor reactionary ideas, as the prevailing political opinions are heavily influenced by the ruling class that benefits from marginalization. It’s entirely possible that you still harbor unexamined reactionary opinions, it happens to the best of us and we are all in a process of improvement.

    To be honest, political work and analysis isn’t really about liking the masses personally, it’s about appreciating their oppression, what causes them to be that way, seeing what potential they had and lost due to false consciousness, and seeing what potential they have to become a force to overturn the current order. Our work is not done in behalf of others, but for the larger cause, and identifying and using uniting factors (mainly but not only class).

    You could also think of the role of a vanguard party vs. those in a particular economic relation. Prior to several socialist revolutions, agrarian laborers in non-capitalist relations were essential to the revolution itself, even though they harbored reactionary opinions and sought interests directly opposed to those of workers. They were termed petty bourgeois in this regard by communists. And yet societal transformation leveraged them as an integral part of revolution, and after the hot revolution began the “peacetime” revolution of building society more equitably and in line with industrialization, intentionally undermining those petty bourgeois economic relations. So in this example we can see how large groups of people individually useful in these projects were far out of alignment with communists but joined the cause anyways, that they were made useful, that they were them transformed through economic and other social relations afterwards (and the worst of them were, you know, shot during civil war).

    So basically it’s understandable to be like, “I am fighting for the material security of this transphobic piece of shit?” but also don’t forget that overall class struggle is still where we must begin our focus.

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      Hey, I just want to thank you for your recent comments, every one that I’ve read in the past two days has been phenomenal! Mostly I’ve been reading that thread with that infuriating lib who for some reason is responding in depth to each comment in the order they’re received, you’ve been on fire in that thread, but this comment here is actually the one that made me say something. Because you’ve spoken to a struggle I’ve definitely had, and made me feel a little better about the bouts of misanthropy I get from time to time.

      Thanks, truly! stalin-heart

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    I’ve been bitten by stray animals while trying to help them, I don’t let that stop me from helping them. Your feelings are understandable but they do not justify accepting the status quo.

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    Could it possibly be that your self-esteem only exists because you do not presently need low self-esteem as a survival mechanism, and that what you attribute to working class people being transphobic, is really because your own most immediate needs have already been met, and you don’t feel like struggling more? Material stability tends to deradicalize a lot more effectively than having “strange bedfellows”! You have a really terrible attitude in any case.

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      My material conditions were much better half a decade ago (I lost most of my money in a gambling addiction), especially when you consider all the inflation since then and that was the beginning of my radicalization journey where I felt most strongly about it and was constantly obsessing about class conflict every day

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        So you were radicalized half a decade ago before your gambling addiction, and your life has been downhill since then? That makes it sound like you’re more tired than anything and are complaining about it in a hyperbolic way. It still very much seems like there is something going on behind the scenes, or words being interpreted in ways you didn’t intend, that would better explain why you were “deradicalized by transitioning” whereas countless other trans women have had the exact opposite experience.

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    When in doubt I fight for my child self. The person who needed help but didn’t get it from anywhere they should have. Who is only here now because they clung to a hope that it would get better eventually.

    If I went through what I did, others will. I fight because I had no one to fight for me.