Chappell, did you know that for two thousand years, Palestine was like an Uber driver with a three-star rating? Nobody wanted it!

Imagine my surprise when I learnt that Bill Maher majored in history, and specifically from Cornell University: a private Ivy League research university! I am truly baffled; his claim that ‘nobody’ wanted Palestine is ridiculously easy to falsify.

The following is a list of conquerors from the last two millennia who held Palestine. Note that the dates are approximate and do not account for brief interruptions. Voilà:

  1. Roman Empire (63 BCE – 330 CE)
  2. Byzantine Empire (330–634)
  3. Arab Caliphates (634–1099)
  4. Crusaders (1099–1187)
  5. Ayyubid Sultanate (1187–1250)
  6. Mamluk Sultanate (1250–1516)
  7. Ottoman Empire (1516–1917)
  8. British Empire (1917–1948)

Maher told a brave lie: anybody with even a basic familiarity of the Crusades (e.g. a fan of Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings) could have spotted his dishonesty, and his exaggeration is only more unjustified when you have these other conquests in mind.

And there was never any Arab country called Palestine.

So? Turtle Island was never really a country either. It’s a region. So was Palestine. Regions can still have their own native inhabitants, and Palestine is no exception.

  • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    And there was never any Arab country called Palestine.

    Because Israelis said so? How is it that everything Israelis say is just treated as fact. Old maps literally call the place ‘Palestine’.

    Besides which: there were people living there; they had to be murdered and expelled for Israel to exist; does this idiot think what happened to native Americans was justifiable?

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    There is currently an Arab majority country called Palestine that exists now in the present. It declared independence in 1988, was recognized by the UN in 2012, and is recognized as a sovereign entity by 157 nations. This is more recognition than Kosovo, and far more than Taiwan.

    Why would it matter if no Arab country called Palestine existed thousands of years ago? There was also never a Finnish majority country called Finland before 1917.

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    Dude can walk to his car without a guard because nobody actually cares about Maher enough to think he needs to be Kirk’d.

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    gonna take a stab in the most brightly lit room in the world and say he’s not ignorant of the history here; he just doesn’t view the people who live(d) there as human beings

    assholes like maher don’t need lengthy refutations of their positions. they need to be shot. run the sartre quote about antisemites

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    Roman Empire (63 BCE – 330 CE) Byzantine Empire (330–634)

    Those are the same thing. You could however point to the Palmyrene empire and later the Tanukhids who both claimed possession of Syria and Palestine during this period.

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    didn’t watch the video but i’m guessing it’s supposed to be a “big brain” retort to the equally dumb narrative that this is just another step in a series of wars over palestine that have been going on for thousands of years (and they usually point to the philistines from the story of david and goliath as proof)

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    you express your “want” for a land by seizing it from the heap of people who live there already, duh. colonial claims are the only claims the mayo acknowledges as valid