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      Its fucken crazy how much the Trump admin has me agreeing with a fucking theocracy. I hate bizarro world

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            Since the beginning of the conflict I have a growing suspicion that Iran is more modern and bottom-up that the west wants to admit. I share the sentiment about a holy book being the main framework for politics but the clergy in power in Iran today is more capable of materialist analysis than liberal politicians

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            And imperialism promotes theocratic attitudes in places that are subjugated. A society can’t progress when, well, it’s progress is stopped by imperialism. This is a truism but people still ignore it and smear developing countries while ignoring the circumstances

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          What’s confusing? Yeah, they’re protag coded right now. But they’re still a theocracy. Governments are not good, but governments ruled by religions are even worse. I get not everyone is an anarchist here. But this is not a war between good guys and bad guys just because the US are comically evil all the time.

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            You’ve got to zoom out and look at things more holistically. This focus on individual states and the exact structure of them instead of the bigger picture is the individualist mindset expanded to geopolitical analysis.

            The contradiction in the world today is between imperialism and anti-imperialism. Many of the countries on the side that we call anti-imperialism are imperfect or even reactionary. But siding against them means siding with imperialism.

            Take Russia for example. Analyse it at the individual level the state is bad and we are absolutely not fans of it. But analyse it in a more holistic picture of the world and you realise that it is the supplier of weapons, defence, resources (oil/gas) and intelligence for every actually-good country on the side of anti-imperialism, such as Cuba, Venezuela, Burkina Faso, etc etc etc. Literally every single country on the side of anti-imperialism has Russia as a crucial ally, supplier and supporter.

            Analysing these states as they are individually is not enough to draw a picture of correct strategy. They have to be placed into the context of the whole picture. Iran is the Russia of the Middle East. You don’t have to be its fan, but you do have to realise how completely fucking essential it is to resistance to imperialism.

            Any complaint about what countries individually are can wait until the primary contradiction has been resolved. Every attempt to reduce people’s views down to the individual analysis of each state is just an attempt to break apart support for essential countries on the anti-imperialist side.

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              No I do get that, but we’ve been having zoomed out discussions. Sometimes we do need to remember what these entities are in the daily lives of their people. Especially the USA, our government is salivating at christian theocracy. I do get that as you zoom out it state relations begin to just resemble people, and most are just acting in their best interest.

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                In the daily lives of the Iranian people this “entity” is the thing standing between them, a mass murder campaign, and imperial rule by a puppet regime installed by nato to dominate the region and exploit its resources for the imperial core. The Iranian government is what the people overwhelmingly support. And I support it too.

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                  Yeah because of the US. Without this war I’m sure its less fun to live under a theocracy. Which support for it shot up the minute that became true. I think thats rather obvious on a survival basis why that is. But, come on, theocracy, we can admit thats not the best. And I can certainly say that under non war circumstances I wouldn’t find myself usually agreeing with a theocratic government. Like I dont think thats outlandish or weird or imperialist to say.

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            Less smarmy response because I have a bad habit of doing them:

            To label Iran as a theocracy in this way feels very tone deaf to me. In addition to what Awoo said, the clerical elite/revolutionary leaders of Iran have sacrificed so much of themselves to defend the Iranian nation and its people. Not to mention how there is a whole electoral power system alongside the clerical class. This callous off-hand reference to reducing the material conditions of Iran to “just a theocracy” is the sort of ideological alienation Marxists should seek to avoid.

            The US has repeatedly invoked religious rhetoric in the Ramadan War, explaining to its own military that this war is about securing Christianity (or something else I can’t remember). The Iranian side has not done the same, every diplomatic movement from Iran is made using calculated, materialist decision making that is aligned with “International Law” to a frustrating degree and repeatedly punished for it.

            Also Persepolis (2003) and its consequences were a disaster for the western perception of Iran not rooted in veiled women and repressive “totalitarianism”

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            Are you including the Republic of Malta and the Kingdom of Denmark under theocracies or is that only reserved for scary brown Muslim countries like the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia?

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            Governments are not good,

            That’s bad child anarchist reading of things, government is good because it’s literally just a formalized structure for a community to work together and resolve disputes

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              When an anarchist says “government is bad” they’re talking about institutionalized government. When its the community governing itself that is not what we are speaking of. Come on, dont claim child when you’re eating it at face value too.

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                I think you’re conflating/mixing the state and the government. The government serves a necessary function of organisation and administration. The state is the organised institutions of class rule.

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                  I think what I mean to say at heart is most governments suck and we can do better as people. Because as other commentors and yourself in a way said, a government can be your community in a building together counting raised hands.

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                  In communist terms, yeah. The distinction doesnt really matter to anarchists as long as its not the people just governing themselves we dont really like it.

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            That’s for the Iranians to sort out without our interference. In fact its the only way it will be sorted out. When there are constant outside threats there isnt much room for instability.

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              Yeah it is, and we should remember to have the nuance to back them and not stan for the government even after looking awesome as fucc standing up to the USA, as long as its their decision and not another color revolution.

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                That’s kinda taken for granted here unless otherwise indicated. I dont think there’s much uncritical support for Iran here, we like to goof and gag, so our current cheering on cause they spat in America’s eye and america blinked can sometimes seem like whole hearted support of everything Iran’s current government stands for. That isnt the case, it’s just a tight enough knit community that we get when someone is being hyperbolic for humor at least most of the time

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                  I really would not assume that to faceless usernames over the internet no matter how close the community seems in a social media setting.