The party of conspiracy theories is finally catching on to this one. 😮💨
Well, the previous theory they held was that God redirected this bullet away from the great and holy warrior Trump and into an evil and unrepentant volunteer firefighter at his rally.
But even they are finding that harder to believe every day.
More like Devil saved Trump
The devil may be evil but professionals have standards. Perhaps Trump is protected by a god who is also a rapist like Zeus.
The Greek gods did quite enjoy playing with the mortals for their own, often sadistic, entertainment. Trump is probably their favorite comedic character in the currently ongoing production.
I’m pretty sure the only chill gods in Greek mythology are Hephaestus, Hades and Persephone, and weirdly enough Dionysus since he is just the god of sex, drugs, and rock and roll also crippling madness.
sex, drugs, and rock and roll also crippling madness
I mean have you heard stories from the 60s-70s? I’m thoroughly convinced the only reason this isn’t part of the slogan is it wouldn’t fit on a shirt.
Honestly yeah. Fun fact I’ve on more than one occasion have considered making lore for a Slaaneshi Ultramarine warband based on the Dionysian Mysteries with some 1970s aesthetics mixed in. Haven’t quite gotten how I’d want them to look down though.
Ares, while of course being the god of War, was never accused of being a rapist, but he did murder someone trying to rape his daughter.
Based and dad pilled Ares. Fun fact he was also married to Warlike Aphrodite over in Sparta, which explains why perpetual cheat is part of both of their characters given how Athenians were the ones writing things down.
They watch out after their own kind.
Why wouldn’t the devil save his own son?
I don’t think Satan would appreciate orange caligula for a son…
He’s a model antichrist.
So was Caligula didn’t save him.
Let’s not assume the devil would stoop so low
Yeah bro has standards.
One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”
The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
Trump is the beast and AI is the Anti-Christ.
Peter Thiel is the devil.
I don’t actually believe this, but it does work shockingly well.
Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
Only one problem, more and more people think Trump is an idiot every day.
Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
A second angel followed and said, “‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great,’ which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries.”
A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
If that happens I’ll buy you a beer, my friend.
Is this why they are quoting Ezekiel 25:17?
God redirected this bullet away from the great and holy warrior Trump
And yet God didn’t spare JFK, MLK Jr, Charlie Kirk, or Ashli Babbitt. It’s almost like God has absolutely no involvement in these things. 🤔
They think he staged his own fake assassination, while also blaming Jews and remaining staunch Trump supporters. So just the usual incoherent cultish mumblings, not any actual insight or any movement away from him.
Blaming TEH JOOOZ is never too far off when discussing conspiracy theories.
What I hate about some of these people waking the fuck up about Israel with the bullshit America-Israel attack on Iran, is that for some of them, it only validates their feelings on Jews because they are too stupid to separate some Jewish cabal notion from matters of foreign policy for nations like the United States and Israel…sigh.
Unfortunately you seem to use something called ‘your brain’ to conjure your own reasoning of the world around you. The average conspiracy theorist does not do this. The average conspiracy theorist believes that they’re the main character and everyone else is just drifting through life waiting to bear witness to their glory.
I actually don’t really care if the assassination attempt was staged or not…
(For the record, I don’t believe it was, because I don’t believe this group of chucklefucks could successfully execute such an event without totally cocking it up somehow or accidentally texting their plans to the New York Times.)
…because I know for a fact that Trump has done so many horrifying things right out in public where we can see them that if there was any functional justice in the world he’d already be locked up for the rest of his miserable fucking life. Faking an assassination attempt wouldn’t even be in the top hundred worst things that he’s done.
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I thought it was obvious from the video that he nicked his ear on the secret service person’s belt buckle on the way down when they were piling onto him? It explains the paltry amount of blood that appears only after he’s down, not to mention the optimal healing time. No bullet did that.
I don’t believe it was staged. Everything that came after, yes, lies upon lies, exploiting the situation to its maximum potential, absolutely. But a real rifle was fired, a real bystander was killed, and Trump’s secret service really was incompetent enough to let it happen. No need to invent anything when the obvious truth is damning enough.
Given how pivotal it was to his campaign, I think it’s worth considering how such a thing could be pulled off if it was planned:
People that want to tell stories to drive history need the right characters. Modern information technology makes that easier than ever.
Find a kid with firearm access who’s into something embarrassing online. Preferably someone who wouldn’t shoot the president, so a supporter. Tell him you know what he does in secret and you’ll tell everyone, including police, if they don’t co-operate.
Tell them to go to the chosen firing position and to shoot into the crowd behind the candidate. Tell them you’ll provide protection and a getaway. Tell them there will be a magazine loaded with blanks for them to use at the firing position (they’re live rounds).
When the shots are fired, secret service ties off the loose end without any interaction from the planners, and the kid never even has a name for who put him up to it.
Or tell a crazy person you think there’ll be someone who is going to try to assinate the president and no one believes you on a forum. Drip feed it so you get him to go exactly where you want. .
For your consideration: It’s somewhat well known the reason Trump eats so much fast food hamburger is because he has a fear of being assassinated by poison (due to a lifetime of screwing people over and socializing with the wrong sort). Do you really think that kind of paranoia would agree to allow a mentally unstable kid with a rifle anywhere near him? That doesn’t make sense to me.
It makes sense to me if he trusts the people planning. It’s possible the bullet that killed the person in the crowd didn’t come from the kid, that the kid did actually fire blanks for the narrative while the shooter was someone more skilled and trusted by the campaign. Just spit balling.
Keep in mind, it was either winning or jail for Trump, and this really did turn things around for his run, so there were likely risks he was willing to take, especially if the people planning assured him there’d be no real risk to him.
“if he trusts the people planning” LOL nah.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/25/trump-staff-incompetent-sycophants
You are ascribing a level of logistical forethought to his team that just, isn’t possible. What is consistent with his every action, is that a media obsessed opportunist looked at the “man, woman, and camera” and decided to strike a pose from Breakfast Club or whatever thing he last remembered. Biff Tannen, Home Alone, The Apprentice, yadda yadda.
You think he won through incompetence? Interesting take.
The machine that got him elected was not incompetent. Roger Stone, for example, is a helluva schemer and has been in the game a loooooong time.
I’m not much for introspection, but when you put it like that … yes actually.
I will tell you that I grew up a bit conservative and one of the things that “The American media apparatus and conservative think tanks and their unholy amounts of billionaire funding Koch et al.” did was build up the idea of politics as a sleazeball game to disenfranchise people. I still believe it a bit. Biff had by and large built up a cult following based in no small part that he was at one point an outsider and “tells it like it is”, unapologetically petty, stupid, but also affable and a joker, racist and greedy.
He (was?), genuinely bonafide stupid and watches TV all day and enough people thought that that was their best reflection. “Authentic” but also… really bleak.
Cambridge Analytica etc was incredibly sophisticated and right-wing think tanks have done far more to shape people’s habits and opinions than you seem to realize.
reminds me of that one Black Mirror episode
I wish it was s01e01.
Definitely came to mind while thinking about this. Seems entirely plausible to me. Trump’s campaign had the resources, considering his connections to people like Erik Prince and the devil knows who else. An extremely simple and hard to trace operation once they’ve honey-potted the “right person”.
We should learn more about him for those exact reasons.
Agreed. Kid “tries to assassinate” the now president and we still know so little about him.
The reason is because he was rightwing, same as the kid who took out Charlie Kirk. It destroys the narrative that liberals are violent when everyone who takes shots at your leadership are from the home team. If it was true, we’d know everything about these people. But it’s not, so the info gets suppressed instead.
Sigh. Exhale. Look down. “Yeah, true Dat.”
That’s certainly a plausible reason, and at least part of the story.
Is there any evidence to indicate the shooter was blackmailed?
Of course not. Why would there be? If there was that would be the story instead of a hypothesis.
Then why do you believe that’s what happened?
I believe it’s a plausible alternative explanation.
So purely baseless speculation with no ulterior motive, sure. You’re trying to insinuate conspiracy while maintaining plausible deniability.
Your “plausible alternative explanation” isn’t much different then saying the assassination attempt was conducted by space aliens. We can say all kinds of things if we disregard the need for evidence.
You go ahead and believe the “official” story that a Trump supporter sacrificed his life for the helluvit and it just happened to turn Trump’s floundering campaign around.
What do you mean no ulterior motive? I proposed one very clearly: desperate self-preservation for the shooter, and political points for the planner.
Why would I care about plausible deniability on an internet forum? Am I on trial? lol
Agree with this scenario, with the exception that there’s no need to give him live rounds, you can have someone else do that when there’s a “response”.
Indeed patsies real and fake certainly aren’t a new concept. JFK and the Unspeakable, and sepately Point of Impact were well written and entirely plausible.
Occams Razor may have nicked his ear also? Wait a second, same thing. But yeah 100% this comment above.
The regime took a situation, spun the bejesus out of it. And umm, that is what was offered up. Poor kid could have received some therapy. Turning him into target practice was way way more cost effective and therefore practical. 🤮
The bullet could have hit the podium, which caused a bunch of bits to blow off, one of which cut his ear.
Edit: I read this theory in the reporting when it happened, and it was never really addressed or officially denied or dismissed later on.
There’s an awful lot around the event that was never really addressed or officially denied or later dismissed on.
Oh they’re finally catching up? Wait until they hear about the Epstein files
Two things stand out that scream staged.
The photographer were ushered into position just under the president right as the US flag was lowered into position in order to get the iconic photo of him with arm raises surrounded by secret service and the flag.
Also somehow the official whiteboard photographer caught a pic of the bullet in mid flight just a foot behind his head
I know journalists like to go to war zones and such but running towards the target of a shooting with no protective gear is not gonna happen. They also just kind of shimmied into position… There wasn’t any real panic
Also the pic of the bullet is just too much… There’s no way
There’s a photo that has the bullet in mid flight? Is that even optically possible? That should be case closed right off the bat.
Edit: OK I take it back, the photo has it all stretched out as I’d expect.
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No, you need to actually watch the videos, OP is right, its sketchy as all hell. It’s not like the photographers are already there, some G-Man directs the photographers into position like seconds after it happens.
It was coordinated with whoever operated the crane to lower the flag.
They lowered the flag so it was in the photo.
It was coordinated.
There’s a video of all this . You should watch it
Recently I also came across this argument: Trump in general thrives of beef. He will bring up some disagreement from 50 years ago at the drop of a hat and holds onto it forever.
The (2 so far?) assassination attempts? Not a word. Doesn’t seem to give 2 shits about being shot at.
Odd at the very least.
Trump not talking about it makes sense to me.
That flapping orange windbag doesn’t understand how a fucking lever works, but if there is one thing for sure he understands, it’s stochastic terrorism. He knows if he gets in front of the media and talks about getting shot at, it’s going to put that idea in the head of a bunch of his radical dipshit supporters who are one or two personal slights from doing a copy-cat shooting.
I just think it’s weird there’s just next to nothing known about all these assassins. They just stop talking about them and aren’t interested once they find out they’re also MAGA. If they were a Dem they wouldn’t shut up about it I’m sure.
I enjoy the occasional conspiracy theory content for entertainment - it’s fascinating psychology to me. If I could get a PhD in it, I could do a 200-page thesis this weekend.
Between this and ol’ neck-hole, the T voters started off really just salivating ready to get out their guns and start mowing down anyone left of alt-right Rwanda-style. When the obvious profile of “nut with a gun” pointed the finger back at people like them with mental health issues and guns, it forced a lot of what it normally forces - some sort of delusion of “DeepState-CIA-Massad-FBI-Unilever-SCJohnsonWax-Soros wanted (insert name here) dead because of (insert batshit crazy thing here).”
They have such a level of group-think and us-vs-them bias that it’s genuinely incomprehensible that someone “on their team” could do anything bad to anyone. Self-reflection and wondering things like “oh…should we have gun regulation?” is tantamount to self-castration to them. That’s not an exaggeration.
As a group, under-educated rural voters that trend towards conspiracy mindsets (for 20-40 years, long before MAGA was a thing) have spent so long gaslighting themselves into thinking that nothing bad can happen IRL with no conspiracy behind it unless it fits into their “when do we get to use the guns?” Turner Diary (which was rope, but that’s not important) genocidal moment, nothing else is possible. Only conspiracies and the terrible atrocities of liberals happen. Nothing else. Ever.
So when the Butler, PA guy doesn’t fit the “Evil Satan-worshiping Urban Youth DemoRAT with a gun!” model, the default position is “See? ThEy almost succeeded!”
Then fast-forward a year and once the Epstein stuff comes back around, which makes the whole house of cards wobbly, they’ve dug themselves into such a deep hole mentally, there’s no coming back from it. Just throwing one MAGA personality into the pit after the next because they’re all connected to Israeli money, so they’re burning their own talking heads faster than new ones can rise up the ranks. So at this point, everything to them is a psyop, everything is false flags and mind control and the CIA because the reality that Republicans and wealthy people are huge shitbags doesn’t fit their 2 allowed modes of thinking.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
The longer the Concorde fallacies marinate, the harder that cognitive dissonance hits.
He donated money to Biden’s campaign. Biden’s FBI is the one responsible for keeping quiet about his socials etc during election season.
The shooting was definitely real. The furthest down this conspiracy rabbit hole that I’m willing to go is entertaining the idea that the bloodied ear could have possibly resulted from colliding with SS hip mounted service weapon when he was “tackled” for cover.
That said, no one needs to tell the conspiracy prone MAGA base any of this. He’s spent at least the last decade and a half curating and exploiting the most conspiracy prone (nicest language I can use) people in this country into his following. He deserves worse than this bed he made.
The photographers being ushered into perfect position as the flag lowers kind of gives it away
Honestly, I don’t feel like that is an argument for it being staged. Like if there is a real assassination attempt, of course the first thing I would want is a photo of it, even more if I’m campaigning.
Even just when I had a minor accident on a ski slope against a tree, I wanted a photo first before standing up againThe first thing you would want would to be safe.
The problem is they’re just gonna go find another cult leader afterwards
That shit was CLEARLY staged, planned, stage managed, etc, whatever.
HIS EAR?? Anyone remember how fast that shit healed? I get a hangnail and it’s there for like 3 weeks
The photo op that was VERY OBVIOUSLY intentional?
The video of his aide shuffling in a WHOLE ASS GROUP of photographers literally THE SECOND shots were fired?
The lady behind Trump that doesn’t even flinch, just films it all?
THE SHOOTERS NAME IS CROOK
And the fact that Trump, the biggest coward in history, draft dodger extraordinaire, rose back up from a circle of protection while he’s just been shot at?? Please. He’d rather those “ idiot security “ people take the hit and die before he risked being hit. I feel if he were in actual unplanned danger he’d be shidding and pissing all the way to the car without a second thought for a photo op.
lol right? he shits himself at a press conference unprompted, if there was actual danger who knows how he’d react
edit: remember when he SHIT HIMSELF on camera and maga just … let it go?
The one thing that doesn’t make sense to me about this is why wouldn’t they plant evidence that the assassin was a leftist or at least a liberal? Wouldn’t that make more sense if the goal was to increase the odds of Trump’s victory? Though it’s possible that they just didn’t bother or tried to but were too incompetent. Either way, I’m not going to say for sure if it was staged or not until we get definitive evidence, but it is plausible.
Then the democrats would want more proof and more scrutiny in the whole process. Now they swipe it under the rug.
It was an obvious and clumsy hoax from the moment it happened. It was so obvious, that even MAGA decided to back off, and let it die down. Normally they’d be screaming about it every chance they got, but it went silent within a week.
Trump tried to bring it up a few times during speeches and such, trying to get sympathy, but nobody picked it up, because they don’t want to shine a light on it. The dumbest MAGA motherfuckers bought it, but NOBODY else did. And now even MAGAs are finally admitting that it was a hoax, demonstrating that the whole thing is finally starting to come apart.
And if it was a hoax, then blowing off the head of that scummy MAGA firefighter in front of his entire family was MURDER! So who greenlit this operation? Who planned it? Who supervised it? Who knew about it before, and after? Because ALL those people are on the hook for First Degree Murder charges.
Does this include Biden? Since he controled the secret service that let this happen? No way this could be a conspiracy without him being in on it. Even if the secret service went behind his back, no way he wouldn’t be able to investigate such a fuckup and expose the conspiracy.
What does Biden have to do with it? He doesn’t control the secret service, and I doubt the Secret Service was in on it anyway.
This was just another incompetent MAGA operation, that barely came off, and didn’t have nearly the result they expected. They though America would be so outraged at an attack on our beloved president, that we would come together and vote for him on a landslide.
Instead, there was overwhelming disappointment that we didn’t get to see his onhead explode on TV, and so they had to go with their first plan to steal the election by flipping votes.
Ah, so this was a planned operation with Trump in on it, but entirely relied on the secret service being incredibly incompetent and getting incredibly lucky. Because the guy who managed to get elected president twice despite being in the Epstein files and in the middle of multiple prosecutions is so incompetent he let some random psycho shoot around him with no plan…
Yeah, that’s pretty much the story. Why would you be surprised? This is MAGA, that’s their normal level of virtuosic incompetence.
As for the Secret Service, don’t give them too much credit. Their best work is done in advance, eliminating threats before they manifest. But when they do have an actual direct attack on POTUS, their record isn’t really that great. Reagan? Shot. Ford? Poor aim, not SS, twice. JFK? Shot. And then you go back to the old ones, like Teddy Roosevelt getting shot and giving his speech anyway.
I can’t think of a single assassination attempt that was thwarted on the scene by the Secret Service. Even if they did, those incidents are outnumbered by their many failures.
Don’t forget, they also critically wounded one MAGA, and literally blew the head off another MAGA. An independent investigation is called for.
Putting aside that you are comparing the secret service from 45+ years ago vs today. A lot of the time when they do their job, you will never know. How many times did someone with a gun see agents guarding the approach they wanted to use and turned around, no one ever knowing? If there was an officer guarding the roof as there should have been, chances are we never hear of this incident.
Good thing only the secret service have guns, and no other group or individuals could possibly be hired outside of the government
No of course not, gunshot wounds to the ear heal up completely with no scar tissue in like 48 hours all the time. One of the ER techs asked Grok.
And the bow shock will totally mangle cartilage beyond that “I squirted ketchup” effect. And he’d be deaf, right? So many problems in this, another cheap caricature of a real thing.
And he’d be deaf, right?
you can sustain a tremendous amount of mangling on the exterior of the ear and still hear. I don’t disagree it’d be mangled tho, not this slight nick. I think he grabbed glass and cut his own ear.
I think they were more referencing the shockwave damage from a bullet moving that close to the ear canal.
shockwave damage
well, that’s the thing… these kind of pressure waves do tremendous damage IN tissue. outside of tissue, small arms caliber? ehhh… I don’t think there’s enough transfer from one medium to another - from the air to flesh. It’s def something I’d love to see tested.
So Trump lied about the bullet hitting his ear. There absolutely was a shooter and a bullet - just because Trump lied about his ear, it doesn’t mean you can just ignore the dead firefighter bystander, and pretend there were no shooter or bullet.
No one said there wasn’t a shooter or bullet - would you put Trump above sacrificing a pawn for a photo op?
Then why do you think it was scripted? Why wasn’t is just a guy missing his shot?
Few reasons:
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It played out like a cheesey action movie. Gunshot goes off, everyone dives down behind the podium for a sec where the cameras aren’t pointed, just long enough to pull a fake blood packet out of a pocket and also it onto his face. They emerge immediately after, everyone sporting an over-the-top expression of panic, except for stone cold badass Mr prez, who just pops up with a triumphant fist pump. (reminder, this is the same guy whose life flashed before his eyes as he was recoiling away from a bird on his desk that pecked in his direction)
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We never saw damage to the ear tissue, just blood streaked on the skin.
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Dude just casually climbs up to an extremely obvious vantage point with a long gun a stone’s throw away from someone under Secret Service protection, during an extremely public showing of an extremely controversial figure, and is allowed time to set up the shot.
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Days later the bandages came off to reveal there wasn’t so much as a scab, it was just magically healed up completely.
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So how would you make something like that look semi plausible? Kill someone in the audience. Trump doesn’t give a shit about his supporters or anyone else under his power. Firefighter? People fucking love firefighters - they’ll be real mad about that.
So… It smells enough like bullshit that I’m calling it bullshit. Could have been something like the gunman was an impressionable dipshit that they knew could be easily radicalized, convinced him to take the shot, and sent him up with a fake bullet. An actual sniper nearby, possibly inside that same building, had his gun trained square onto the firefighter from an angle that didn’t put Trump at any risk, and assassinated the pawn. Cheesey action movie scene plays out, dude on the roof gets killed by responding agents, and bam: Trump is a living martyr. Would only take a few key people to be in on it.
Outlandish? Absolutely, but less so than the official bullshit we were fed, and way more in character for Trump.
Except for stone cold badass Mr prez, who just pops up with a triumphant fist pump.
Trump (like Reagan) was literally an actor, before becoming President. It is not that surprising that Trump can “act” when given an opportunity which arises.
We never saw damage to the ear tissue, just blood streaked on the skin.
Ear wounds bleed like crazy. It could be just a little nick.
Dude just casually climbs up to an extremely obvious vantage point with a long gun a stone’s throw away from someone under Secret Service protection, during an extremely public showing of an extremely controversial figure, and is allowed time to set up the shot.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Also if not incompetence, it would require a lot of people in on the conspiracy - random officers. That sort of thing leaks, unless everybody are really competent. And team Trump is simply not that competent.
It would also require the shooter to more-or-less agree to be murdered.
Trump (like Reagan) was literally an actor, before becoming President. It is not that surprising that Trump can “act” when given an opportunity which arises.
Well yeah… it looked like acting.
Ear wounds bleed like crazy. It could be just a little nick.
Little nicks still produce a scab. His ear was back to 100% in like 2 days. A fucking zit takes longer to heal than that.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
That rule absolutely does not apply to world leaders. He has mastered getting away with evil shit by playing the village idiot so people just brush it off as stupid.
It would also require the shooter to more-or-less agree to be murdered.
It would require him to agree to make an assassination attempt, fully expecting to take the shot and probably some elaborate escape plan – all without knowing his real instruction is to sit pretty while responding agents proceed to kill him. Again, outlandish and probably not how it actually went down, just an example of the kind of shit that’s less implausible than the official story, which is in direct conflict with what we saw plainly on national TV. ‘Ignore your eyes and ears’ and such.
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Your “ask Grok” comment is particularly relevant because this day seems to be the turning point researchers cite for when Musk decided to fully support Trump.
I could only speculate as to whether it was staged and Musk was involved in that, or if it was Musk’s genuine response, or what exactly, but its highly suspicious.
I don’t think it’s staged , but if it were, I think it would be very interesting why they didn’t choose one of their usual targets for fearbaiting (trans, immigrant, leftist) to be the assassin.
I’ve thought about it too and have concluded that the shooter they the got to take the fall was more than willingly to eat a lead sandwich for trumpy. He had a reputation for being the weird conservative kid at school. He had experience shooting long range rifles but it was said he wasn’t that good either. Then add to the that not much was ever learned about him and that’s also suspicious. It’s like the had the perfect guy to use.
If it were a real conspiracy, would the shooter actually need to die, though
Keeps them quiet.
Makes the coverup easier for sure, but it’s not mandatory.
I can’t believe Trump would allow live lead to go flying by him.
The shooter was apolitical from my understanding. He searched for many politicians and his choice of Trump was not due to some ideology but convenience. Trump was holding a rally closest to him.
Some of the president’s biggest supporters are now claiming, without evidence
Something that will surely be ignored here.
What are you suggesting? Because that line asserts “without evidence”, you’re unwilling to accept that the official story isn’t honest?
You don’t need to be a conspiracy theorist, you don’t need to invent new scenarios that need to evidence, just examine the official narrative and ask yourself if the holes are small enough to ignore?
- The shooter fired from a roof that was outside the Secret Service security perimeter. Reuters reported that Crooks fired from a rooftop that had been left outside the Secret Service perimeter, and former officials described that as a major omission. Reuters also reported that neither Secret Service nor local police had secured that roof.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-gunman-shot-roof-that-wasnt-secured-by-any-agency-2024-07-16
- Responsibility for the AGR complex was blurred between Secret Service, state police, and local law enforcement. The House task force found that officers were posted along the fence line near the AGR complex to prevent foot traffic, but they were not tasked with watching the AGR complex or roof itself. The same report says the Secret Service was “overly reliant” on state and local representations regarding security at the AGR complex.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- There was no true unified command post. The House report says a unified command post would have allowed faster real-time updates among security partners. Instead, key information was relayed indirectly, including by phone, which slowed dissemination in the critical minutes before the shooting.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- Different agencies were operating on different radio systems and information was not flowing cleanly. The task force found that multiple law-enforcement entities were operating on different radio frequencies, and that the lack of local law-enforcement representation in the Security Room increased the chance that essential information would be delayed or lost. AP likewise reported communication breakdowns with local law enforcement as a central failure.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- The counter-unmanned aircraft system was down for most of the day. The House report states that the C-UAS system remained nonoperational through most of the day and was only successfully activated at about 4:33 p.m. The report also found that not all relevant advance and supervisory agents were informed it was down.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- The shooter flew a drone over the area despite the anti-drone capability gap. The task force concluded the C-UAS failure mattered because Crooks flew a drone near the rally site that afternoon while the system meant to detect or mitigate such activity was not operational. That is one of the clearest documented capability gaps in the record.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- Line-of-sight concerns from the AGR area were known in advance. The House report says line-of-sight concerns were discussed repeatedly during the week before the event. It specifically describes proposed mitigations including Penske trucks, equipment, banners, flags, and tractors to block vulnerable sight lines from the AGR area.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- Even though line-of-sight concerns were repeatedly discussed, the vulnerable area was not effectively neutralized. The same House report shows there was confusion about who was actually responsible for making sure those mitigation measures were set correctly. That matters because it shifts this from “unknown blind spot” to “known concern with muddled ownership.”
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- Law enforcement noticed a suspicious person well before the shooting. AP reported that officers became concerned about Crooks before the shooting, and the House report says that by 5:52 p.m., almost 20 minutes before the first shots, at least nine Secret Service personnel were aware of a suspicious person near the AGR complex.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- The suspicious-person information was not broadly shared inside the Secret Service. The House report says that in four separate instances where Secret Service personnel were alerted to a suspicious person near the AGR complex, each individual failed to share the information broadly. It says the information was only broadly shared by counter-sniper personnel shortly before shots were fired.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- The suspect had been seen with a rangefinder before the attack. The House report includes witness testimony describing Crooks using a rangefinder. It also says that by 5:52 p.m. personnel were aware of a suspicious person who had previously been seen with one. AP also reported that people at the rally and law enforcement flagged him before the shooting.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- Warnings from bystanders and local officers did not produce a fast enough protective response. AP’s reconstruction describes a chain of missed chances in which Crooks was seen acting suspiciously, was reported, and still managed to reach the roof and fire. The House report similarly says crucial information did not reliably reach all necessary personnel in time for informed protective decisions.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- Even when updates were being passed, critical details did not reliably reach decision-makers in the Security Room. The House report gives a specific example: one official said he “never heard man on a roof,” even though others believed roof-related information had been relayed. That is a concrete documented disconnect, not a vague criticism.
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
- The failure pattern was not just one bad call, but a stack of compounding failures. Public reporting and official reviews point to the same cluster: unsecured roof, ambiguous responsibility, fragmented communications, lack of unified command, line-of-sight concerns known in advance, suspicious-person sightings not escalated effectively, and a degraded anti-drone capability. That does not prove conspiracy, but it does establish a dense factual basis for “the system was full of exploitable holes.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-gunman-shot-roof-that-wasnt-secured-by-any-agency-2024-07-16
https://fallon.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tf.finalreport.pdf
Is it really just a series of incompetent actions and a kid conveniently planning his execution attempt to line up with all the incompetence? It’s possible, certainly. Are there other more likely explanations?
Literally none of that proves any kind of premeditated conspiracy. The fact that the shooter was Republican and that Trump couldn’t use it to his political advantage makes it clear.
You just want to believe that because it’s more interesting than reality.
I didn’t say it proved a conspiracy theory, I’m saying completely disregarding the possibility is unwise.
We have plenty of examples of decades of government narratives being pushed hard and people being ridiculed for pointing out irregularities, only to later learn the government was either involved or completely responsible.
Don’t just jump up defend them because it feels good that they’re super incompetent.
We have plenty of examples of decades of government narratives being pushed hard and people being ridiculed for pointing out irregularities, only to later learn the government was either involved or completely responsible.
MLK Jr comes to mind.
#9, along with Trump popping right up for a quick photo-op immediately afterwards told me all I needed to know about the situation.
Either it was all known about before-hand, or trump’s SS is extremely incompetent.
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“Without evidence” has never stopped them before.
Perhaps they are on to something? Cue up suspenseful vintage radio theater music.
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Because it was
