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  • If the thread is about people who already agree with the point slapping each other on the back, sure, go ahead.

    But if you want to convince anyone, you may not want your numbers to be obviously made up. Putting aside that the phalanx shooting is an order of magnitude off, the same torpedo has 3 different prices one after another. Even someone who has no idea how much these things cost can see it's BS if they pay attention.

  • It's not getting one wrong. But much more importantly, if your point is backed up by fake numbers, no one who didn't agree with you from the start is going to take you seriously. Pointing bullshit early is important, unless you want your greater point undermined by bullshit numbers.

  • How? How do you assign how much of the R&D should be counted for the one missile fire or burst from a Phalanx? How much of the ship operation cost? The few seconds on the video? When I have no context of when and where these firings happened?

    And much more importantly, what for? How would pricing random weapons firing on a random video help anyone with anything?

  • What first made me completely disbelieve the video was the Phalanx costing hundreds of thousands in a few seconds. That's order of magnitude wrong. Yes, the RIM-116 is in the ballpark although still too high.

    Anyway, the video is bullshit. That has nothing to do with whether the point it is trying to make is. No need to get that defensive.

  • I could go search for them, or you could notice that the price tag is different for each of the 3 torpedo launches shown despite being the same type of torpedo. 🤡

    Anyway, the CIWS systems like the phalanx (minigun looking shit) cost around $3,500 per second, not above $50k a second like the video would suggest.

  • You mean the NYT video that shows a completely different (nearby) building being bombed? Don't get me wrong, I don't trust Trump either, but spreading made up clickbait won't help.

  • This plane does not carry nukes.

  • Except it's just completely random numbers slapped on the footage.

  • I mean, if you want to call it a beef, go ahead. But it's not like it is an unreasonable request, since it is necessary to make sure short pins used by most people are at least a bit secure.

  • GrapheneOS had security requirements and they offered to help Fairphone implement them, but Fairphone refused. Apparently they are not interested in their users security and privacy. So I won't be touching Fairphones with a 10ft stick.

    Motorola was interested and should be launching a phone with GrapheneOS preinstalled at the end of 2026 or in 2027.

  • Creative interpretation of reality. Polymarket pretends it is not a betting platform, since betting on wars and similar shit is banned even in the US.

  • What's your point? Even if you were right that both sides were evil, should it somehow make me sad they are killing each other?

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  • No I meant moral here.

    Ok. But, I care about internet strangers morals about as much as I care what their favourite icecream is. It has no relevance to anything.

    Ethics in general is not universal either of course, there are legal systems and thus codes of ethics that take issue with not wearing a Hijab.

    I don't think ethics have anything to do with law. Ethics is an attempt to create something like objective morals by evaluating how much objective good or harm an action causes. Of course, it is far from universal since it depends how you evaluate seriousness of a harm and good. E.g. is it better to kill one person and save 3. But you would have a hard time creating an ethics system where wearing a Hijab was unethical, since it pretty much does not affect anyone else.

  • That said, legally speaking it is true that the laws of armed conflict still apply once hostilities have began and the legality of the war itself is a separate question from whether the attack is. Under those laws an enemy warship is a legitimate target whether it has ammunition or not.

    Exactly.

    Obviously laws are not morals and you could still take issue on moral grounds with an action that is legal though.

    I think you mean ethical? On moral grounds, you can take issue with anything, including a woman not wearing a Hijab or speaking in public. Since morals are subjective. It is just unethical to impose such morals on others.

    And yes, laws are generally often misaligned with what is ethical, though I am not convinced they are in this particular case.

    it is an illegal war that lacks justification under international law.

    I guess, technically yes? Although that is true for pretty much any war, even arguably just ones. Regardless, that is not relevant to the topic as you pointed out.

  • The Geneva convention is something I appreciate, war crimes is not something I appreciate.

    There is nothing in the Geneva convention that says a combatant has to have ammo or a gun to be a combatant.

    This is a fallacy: Iran is at war, but that does not mean all Iranians are active combatants.

    There is no fallacy, because I am not arguing about them being combatants in my last comment. I am debunking a straight up lie that they are not at war. But sure, not everyone is a combatant. Military personel on a warship are.

    I'm not sure bombing the country is a good way to help those people.

    Who is saying it is? There is a world of middle ground between something being a good idea and a war crime. I am just saying the people being bombed are hardly innocent bystanders.

  • who were not at war

    And you accuse me of semantics? Is Russia also not at war in your mind, because they did not make some war declaration ritual?

    Normally I wouldn't care this much, but the whole reason for this conversation was that you were defending the murders of unarmed sailors who were not at war. So fuck you, you fucking shitwhistle.

    WTF is this argument? Oh no, they did not have ammo in their gun at the particular moment they were killed. I guess any sniper who kills a general or an assassin trying to kill Hitler should go straight to hell, because their target was not holding a gun at that particular moment.

    I find it mind boggling that the part that troubles you is the death of soldiers supporting brutal theocratic dictator most well known for killing his own people and supporting terrorist groups throughout the region. However many issues I have with the US military, the US as a whole, and it's pedophile president, this really isn't one of them.

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