Anyone who imagined that US President Donald Trump would be the Stop the War president the Middle East had been waiting for, should have a look at what is currently underway in the Occupied West Bank.
The images from the hostage release in Gaza City shocked an Israeli public fed on myths of total victory. “After a year and four months, in which the public’s eyes have been flooded with information and baseless narratives of stories of total victory and revenge, the Israeli public sees from Gaza images of Toyotas, armed Hamas members and Gaza rising from the ruins,” journalist Israel Frey told Middle East Eye.
That said, the large-scale ground assault on the West Bank refugee camps was preplanned. But its timing was enough to keep Bezalel Smotrich, Israel’s far right finance minister and de facto consul general of the occupied West Bank, in the cabinet when he threatened to resign over the ceasefire in Gaza. The other item in Smotrich’s sweetie bag was the promise to clear out the army leadership.
Look protest voters, you saved Palestine!
What’s a protest voter?
People who didn’t vote Harris because the Democrats have stood by and aided a genocide.
A fascist
Weren’t you the one who was telling me a couple months ago that Arab Americans in Dearborn who refused to vote for Biden because of Gaza were fascists?
Doubt it. And surely you’re not someone who would misrepresent an argument.
They were fascists because they supported and voted for Donald Trump.
They apparently immediately regretted that decision the day after election Day, and while I commend the ones who admitted their ignorance, they still openly supported a fascist. That makes you a fascist.
Yes, they unwittingly supported fascists. The ones who have since come out and admitted that they were fooled are not fascists.
The rest, yes. They are. Sorry if that offends you or something.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/11671789
This u?
Sometimes it is mind blowing to enter the liberal headspace where the definition of fascism is based on how the subject arrived at the fascist conclusion, and how the test of fascism is how they outwardly express it. It’s all just vibes. Hitler should’ve just explained how he was “fooled”, and he’d be a-ok in your book.
And this idea of liberals always selling out socialists and minorities as a first thing will still be lost on you.
Oh yeah sounds like me. That wasn’t what you originally said though was it?
No, how is irrelevant. If you support a fascist you are a fascist. It’s really that fucking simple, and there’s only one group of people that doesn’t seem to like this truth.
Yes, they unwittingly supported fascists. The ones who have since come out and admitted that they were fooled are not fascists.
If you support a fascist you are a fascist. It’s really that fucking simple
Please help us understand the mental gymnastics you use to reconcile these two ideas.
If only the Democratic Party didn’t chose to prioritize continuing the status quo of neoliberalism (at the continued expense of US citizens and victims of US foreign policy), over defeating Fascism by providing genuine solutions for societal problems (at the expense of capital owners, such as public housing and universal healthcare) and following US and International Law to stop supplying arms and international support for a genocide.
Liberalism will always side with Fascism over any socialist opposition out of profit incentive, as has been the case historically. This is just another example
Literal definition of letting the pursuit of perfection become the enemy of good
No, recognizing why the Democratic Party failed to mobilize millions to votes with their campaign strategy is not the same as an individual choosing not to vote for a candidate because they “aren’t perfect”
I voted for Kamala, as many other leftists did, out of the principal of harm reduction. The reason the Democratic Party lost the support of the working class they initially had from the FDR days is entirely due to how the neoliberal policies have squeezed the working class, worsening both material conditions and future prospects, causing many many people to lose faith in the party. Business as Usual is a failing strategy when people are suffering from Business as Usual.
Right-wing populism takes advantage of that by putting the blame on the ‘other’ such as immigrants and marginalized people. The only way to combat right-wing populism effectively is with left-wing populism. To address the systemic issues causing the suffering with policies that improve people’s material conditions. That would be public healthcare, public housing, public infrastructure, worker protections, ect. The issue is that those solutions hurt the bottom line of private businesses, which are the donor class of the Democratic (and Republican) Party.
Neoliberalism will always side with Fascism because of that profit incentive.
Are you saying that genocide is good or forgetting that Democrats wanted to continue funding it?
This is probably the dumbest take I’ve seen so far. Let the fascists win bcz I didn’t get everything I wanted.
Recognizing the issues with how the Democratic Party ran their campaign and how that led to Fascism is the dumbest take you’ve seen?
I voted Democrat. I told others to. That doesn’t change the reality that the strategy they used failed to mobilize voters. The Democrats did let the fascists win. They did not take this election seriously.
Latest evidence suggests the fascists just stole it (surprise!)
I don’t think the 2024 election was stolen. But if you mean that there are fascists (Christian Zionists) within the Democratic Establishment who, at best, didn’t mind losing to Trump, I think you’re right.
Bruh, if support of genocide isn’t the line that separates good and evil for you…
What is?
And why are you so mad at people who couldn’t ignore it, instead of the people supporting it even tho vast majority of the people who vote for them was against it?
How is that representation?
Vote for me and I’ll do what I want, fuck your values
Doesn’t work with the left. How have people not realized this by now?
I never said I support genocide, don’t put words in mouth. But, you’ve seen what Trump has done, and he has barely been in office a few days. How is this better?
I never said I support genocide
You never said it.
But you weren’t on the ballot.
Biden did support it, and Kamala literally said she’d be the same as Biden.
And that was the largest issue people who voted D in 2020 gave for not voting in 2024. It definitely wasn’t the only reason, but when people were asked for the biggest contribute it was Biden and Kamala’s support of genocide.
Quick edit:
According to the poll, 29% of that voter group said “ending Israel’s violence in Gaza” was the “most important issue” for them in the election.
Gaza was followed by the economy (24%), medicare and society security (12%), immigration and border security (11%), healthcare (10%) and abortion policy (9%).
This is literally the trolley problem. Do nothing because you don’t want to “participate”–the trolley kills a dozen people. Chose to “participate” by pulling a lever–only one person will be killed.
It’s idealism vs realism. Yes, ideally no one would vote for anyone funding Israel (or allow the trolley to kill anyone, to stick to the analogy), but if we think of the realistic outcomes that will happen, I’m going to pull the lever every time.
Choosing to opt out of engaging with the system is still a choice with real consequences.
It’s idealism vs realism. Yes, ideally no one would vote for anyone funding Israel (or allow the trolley to kill anyone, to stick to the analogy), but if we think of the realistic outcomes that will happen, I’m going to pull the lever every time.
The problem is that anyone who gripes about the choice gets screamed at as though they chose wrong.
I literally voted, so no i did not ‘do nothing’. This is a much larger problem than individuals considering it a ‘trolly problem’. Voter apathy is rooted in systemic issues, both in how voting is implemented within the country and what options there are to vote for.
From my other response:
Neoliberal policies have squeezed the working class, worsening both material conditions and future prospects, causing many many people to lose faith in the party. Business as Usual is a failing strategy when people are suffering from Business as Usual.
Right-wing populism takes advantage of that by putting the blame on the ‘other’ such as immigrants and marginalized people. The only way to combat right-wing populism effectively is with left-wing populism. To address the systemic issues causing the suffering with policies that improve people’s material conditions. That would be public healthcare, public housing, public infrastructure, worker protections, ect. The issue is that those solutions hurt the bottom line of private businesses, which are the donor class of the Democratic (and Republican) Party.
Neoliberalism will always side with Fascism because of that profit incentive.
It’s a bit weird to be blaming the guy at the lever for the deaths, no? The dems literally decided to tie people up in front of that train, but they aren’t to blame because they tied less people then the republicans. Instead of demanding change, we are guilt tripping voters.
Literally nobody I’ve seen bring up the trolley problem seems to actually understand it.
Enjoy the leopards.
I literally voted Harris and told other to as well, but sure dude. Let’s infight and cast aside solidarity instead of recognize the issues with the Democratic Party that got us here in the first place
At least you didn’t have to move left.
Swing and a miss, pal. It’s alright, at least you tried.
So voting for someone who was enabling an ongoing genocide was a move to the left for you?
Where are all the
muppetssockpuppets who said it couldn’t get worse?Please don’t use the word “muppet” as an insult. The Muppets are awesome. These people are not.
How interesting the account has been silent since immediately after the election hmmmm
Tons of propaganda accounts and mods did nothing. Lemmy will become Reddit if there’s no proactive moderation
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So… Hexbear?.. ml?.. Did we stop the genocide?
So, did you want to?
No-one wants civilians to be blown up.
Darn if only Harris won then the genocide would have stopped for sure.
No but she probably wouldn’t have encouraged it’s escalation.
Good job everyone. Sucks nobody could see this coming. At least you tried.
Was not is plan to build a hotel near the water after everything is flattened?
But he got a ceasefire in Gaza. What more do you want? For the genocide to stop?! /s
The USA not do the most evil thing possible challenge: impossible
Wouldn’t have ever been elected even back in 2016 if neoliberals hadn’t used him as an excuse to be more conservative than Reagan…
Still hopeful the DNC chair election finally takes them out of party power.
But if not…
Then 2/3/25 is the day we need to solidify around a third party. It’s insanity to keep following neoliberals after the last 3 elections.
The Calvary is coming, and it’s going to slaughter every one of these bastards allowing, and perpetrating death on innocents. The clock is ticking, and this orange buffoon is acting like he had a prayers chance in hell of not being spit roast like a sweet piggy. Squeal Donnie. Squeal. It makes the kids laugh.
