• boramalper@lemmy.world
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    People used to defend to the death others’ right to say things (that they may even disagree with): National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie

    […] The injunction was granted, prohibiting marchers at the proposed Skokie rally from wearing Nazi uniforms or displaying swastikas. On behalf of the NSPA, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) challenged the injunction. The ACLU assigned civil rights attorneys David Goldberger and Burton Joseph to Collin’s cases. The ACLU argued that the injunction violated the First Amendment rights of the marchers to express themselves. The ACLU challenge was unsuccessful at the lower court level.

    The ACLU appealed on behalf of NSPA, but both the Illinois Appellate Court and the Illinois Supreme Court refused to expedite the case or to stay the injunction. The ACLU then appealed that refusal to the Supreme Court of the United States.

    Here is the interesting bit:

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    Within reason.

    The line is very clear: You have those rights … so long as they do not encroach on the freedoms of others.

    If someone wants to say there is a master race, the earth is the center of the universe, Elvis is still alive, etc… Sure: they’re free to say it. But people who know better are also free to debate them - and prove them wrong. Like it or not we are better for it having the discussion. Recall that at some point people were put to death for expressing beliefs that opposed the norm in science and religion. It is important to debate and not silence people - repression breeds hate and promotes an us vs them mentality. It results in echo chambers.

    Are there people that simply cannot be reasoned with? Yes. But it’s important to engage with them and be a dissenting voice. It’s important to demonstrate clearly that someone opposes their viewpoint. Important to the unreasonable person? Probably not. Important to those who are listening? Yes. If you do not engage- all those who are listening hear is the viewpoint of the ignorant and the apparent silence of the indifferent.

    Moderates fuck this up frequently… and I’m saying this as someone who, in many cases, considers myself a moderate.

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      Nice comment that ignores the fact that hate speech actively harms people.

      It also ignores that there were recognized limits to free speech everywhere - try to discuss the best way to murder someone in public and see what happens.

      Human rights are supposed to protect human dignity, so free speech, like any other right, needs to be interpreted in that light.

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    You can fight for the legal right to be stupid and anti-social and still call someone out for being stupid and anti-social.

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    …until you decide it’s your right to publicly espouse a terrorist ideology like Nazism.

    Then fuck you. Letting you Nazi motherfuckers hide behind the First Amendment was one of the worst mistakes America ever made, and I hope the Italian plumbers of the world make it very clear how welcome you are in decent society.