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In my experience people who are against more Ukraine aid think that the dollar amount we send is actual cash that can be spent in other places, rather than pallets of munitions that don’t keep forever anyway.
And a part of that is old stuff that would be decommissioned so the cash is to make the new products. Or so I have understood it.
nah that’s right. we’ve sent ukraine a shit ton of basically decommissioned shit. and even then we’ve been weirdly stingy, and unresponsive to their non military aid requests (their biggest ask is glass)
Uhh… why glass?
Probably on account of every window in every city being broken by shockwaves from bombardments
also ukrainian winters are notably brutal
Wouldn’t plexiglass be a better thing to ask for during war time in that case?
I am guessing that outside of the frontlines bombings are still fairly rare events. Risk is low enough for installing proper windows, but high enough to ensure there are not enough.
Seems weird to ask the US for glass when they can get it from a lot closer, assuming we’re just talking about normal glass.
they’ve been asking literally all their allies for glass. it’s been a constant struggle for them to get aid, especially as the western countries they used to rely on shifted focus to helping Israel
And we’re also saving a bunch on disposal costs for the old stuff.
It’s literal economic stimulus, US sends them old shit, and buys new and more expensive shit from local military suppliers. This is the “creating jobs” thing the right likes so much, except when it’s against Russian interests
Yes, but it is really inefficient. If we simply ignore the nuke threat it would probably take the US a month of bombing to restore pre 2014 borders.
Even for new weapons and ammo it is usually just spending on the local weapons manufacturers so basically just supporting your own economy.
Good point. Chuck Norris-style thumbs up.
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Da comrade, USA always fault. Very fault.
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It’s USA’s fault Russia annexed Crimea? and now attempting to annex more?
How’s that?
sponsoring a coup d’etat that threatens the russian Black Sea Fleet’s command center. but you know that.
Got any evidence… Of said sponsored elements involved in coup
The Department of TrustMeBro is immune to FOIA and rarely releases documents.
Eaglestan has been known to start weird unnecessary wars, but this is not one of them.
(I personally can’t really comment on surplus vs. new in detail, though)
The tankies aren’t going to like this meme.
If they browse NCD they’ll be mad a lot. People on here have the normal take on whether the North Koreans are secret Wakanda good guys, and it comes up constantly.
Fuck em.
I take Putin very seriously.
Us military is on the same page.Weirdo nutjobs on the Internet create memes on how much everyone is wrong but them.
Okay but everyone else IS wrong but me
I can vouch for this one.
I wanted to argue but I got deterred.
Visegradians, Viking-chans, and Baltics are taking kremlin far more seriously than the most of West. At the same time we cant take seriously yet another boo hoo we satan warsaw, we take berlin nazi and polands next after baltics.
Hell, we take kremlin mafia far more seriously than most of the tankies. We just want to either throw molotovs or piss bottles into their old babushka cursing at everyone window and be done with it.
Because Kremlin is an old Babushka bully. She will spit and yell at everyone, then play the victim. So you either ignore or drop kick it.
maybe ask someone professional for help.
Like assassin’s? 🤣
Did you take him seriously when he said sending cruise missiles to Ukraine would be considered a nuclear attack? Or that sending f16s would be a nuclear attack? Or when he said Ukraine was planning to use a nuclear dirty bomb? He has every incentive to blow everything out of proportion, so we can’t go off of what he says.
Do you have some sources for those quotes?
I don’t care about Ukraine. Just don’t involve us into this crap.
I believe he is 100% serious. And I still think it shouldn’t matter. The conflict will grow regardless, and the West shouldn’t concede a single inch to the psychopathic asshole.
Otherwise we might as well hand him all of Europe on a silver platter.
Why are WE the ones afraid of consequences? Why should the so-called “mightiest nation on Earth” be the one that cowers whenever someone makes nuclear threats? Didn’t we used to lead the world in creating fear of our military and our nuclear weapons?
I don’t get how the right in particular treats the USA like a mighty jugger- nah I can’t even frame my rhetorical thought, we all know that Russia is deeply involved in shaping the opinions and attitudes of our country’s dumbest fuckwads.
The US military is a juggernaut in conventional war, but there’s no winners in nuclear war.
There can absolutely be a winner in a limited-scale nuclear exchange.
Otherwise we might as well hand him all of Europe on a silver platter.
And sadly I believe that a lot of Americans would prefer isolationism and are fine with this, as they’d get to cut military spending.
Of course, Europeans buy American goods and vice versa. If Russia ruled over all of Europe, Putin could just stop all trade with the US as a giant middle finger.
Except he can’t rule over all of Europe…
Oh they don’t want to cut military funding
Some at least pretend to. “If we didn’t have to police the world, we could save so much on military spending, Europe should get its’ own shit together”
And while I as an European agree about the last part, I still think NATO is a beneficial alliance to everyone involved.
My bet is, if Putin dares to drop a single nuke, he will get assassinated. Lot of secret service agents, and other enthusiasts are straight up going to try that. During war that’s allowed right?
Mutually assured destruction is still a thing. We may not be at Cold War levels of insanity, where between the US and Russia there were enough nukes to glass the planet like 150 times over, but plenty of nations have arsenals (especially in Europe), and the best way to make enemies of the entirety of the world would be to be the first one to launch a nuke. Dropping a nuke would signal to every leader in the world that no country is safe from becoming an irradiated wasteland.
I think if Putin dropped a nuke, his allies would drop him faster than it would take NATO to declare all out war with Russia.
You say that, and yet Exxon-Mobil have proven that actively trying to destroy the world does nothing to turn world leaders away from trying to buddy up with you.
When you exon does it, it’s slowly and for money. So there are “winners”. Nukes have no winners.
Sure they do, the rest of the universe wins by not having to deal with another species stupid enough to destroy itself.
My point was, the assassination goal would be him not being able to drop a second one. Also slay the first 100 people in the chain of command and leave them headless.
Cool thing is that nuclear winter will fight global warming
Unfortunately, nobody would be able to take him out that quickly. Russia still has plenty of nukes, and they could fire them all before anybody has time to react. If that nuke is an ICBM, though, as soon as it leaves the silo the world would know, and the counter barrage of nukes would be firing up before it even lands.
I originally meant that dropping a nuke would have the entire world declare war on Russia, even his former allies because no one wants to rule over a pile of radioactive rocks, but thinking about it, his allies would probably be the ones most likely to try to have him assassinated in that situation. A maniac with a big stick is only useful so long as you don’t have to worry about him smacking you with it, too.
Russia still has plenty of nukes, and they could fire them all before anybody has time to react. If that nuke is an ICBM, though, as soon as it leaves the silo the world would know, and the counter barrage of nukes would be firing up before it even lands.
Obviously an ICBM is armageddon. However a tacticsl nuke, one dropped from a plane or something onto Ukraine would be a different story.
The world will be far less inclined to launching ICBMs over that. So it’s just a game of how much they can get away with.
nuclear winter is not a thing
Patroling the Mojave almost makes me wish it was though
Source?
Seems pretty likely that all those fires would cause a lot of soot that blocks out some of the sunlight, thus causing a global temperature drop
