These consumers paid for a product that was very clearly shit the moment they attached AI or ‘smart’ branding to it.
This is a reminder that, while they are not all equally as responsible as these corporations; the consumer is just as much a part of the problem.
“pay double for smart version, then get fucked.”
Previously it was “pay double for same quality but more popular brand”. How far advertising has progressed that people sign up for this willingly.
It is always interesting to see that this scumbag corporate behavior is only made possible by the people handing them over money.
It is the same with advertising, if i didnt know any better it appears like people want advertisements all the time.
We, the people, are always outraged. However, we, the people, also arent willing to do anything about it. The power is in our hands.
It’s a matter of thresholds and quantities. The business doesn’t need everybody to consent to its existence. It just needs to raise enough money to continue existing. And it only needs to continue existing long enough to gobble up the competition so the choice can’t be made between them and an alternative retailer the choice must be instead made between getting the thing from them or not getting the thing.
Plenty of us can opt out of patronizing these institutions but that doesn’t Force change. That’s what government is for.
We aren’t going to be able to vote with our wallets hard enough to change business practices that are abusive and toxic. We’re going to need the government to do that. That’s a substantial part of its job.
I’ll take my dumb gadgets over this smart bs any day, thanks.
especially one that is controlled by AI.
Don’t buy AI hardware 😂 My god the stupidity.
They just have to add useless shit into something like a fridge and make everything “smart”. The profit margins must be so slim on any kind of standard house appliance. They can’t just seel a fridge that just keeps your food cold, isn’t too expensive, noisy, etc… because most of the offer that and they need this summers buzzword to stand out, or even to please the investors.
this it 2k-3k fridge that have ads on it.
The consumer buys that shit though.
We can create demand for normal stuff. “Do you have one without AI? I do not want AI.” Retailers take note.
Samsung has apologized and will send engineers over the Chuseok break.
Yeah? Will those Samsung engineers also replace my spoiled food? Of course not, shame on me for buying an AI fridge I guess
Fuckers
If I bought an AI Fridge and this happened, I would most certainly immediately decide and accept “This is the direct consequence of my choices. This is my fault. I had this coming. I deserve this.”
What can an AI do for our fridge? I asked myself as I swiped my credit card for a multi thousand dollar purchase. Surely it must do something. Surely this must be an improvement on a dumb box that keeps things cold. I want to talk to my dumb box that keeps things cold, this is certainly a good idea.
I’m assuming that the AI fridge helps you skip the ads that your IoT smart fridge plays?
You’d think so!
Unfortunately it just permanently listens to everything going on in your house, tracks every family member’s sleep cycles, eating habits, evaluates your household income based on how often it is restocked and what your brand loyalties are, then feeds all that information to a third party advertising company who sell it to the highest bidder and split the profits with smasnug before showing everyone in the home exactly the right ads to manipulate them into buying more slop.
I mean, you bought an AI fridge. That’s on you.
an 2-3k AI fridge at that.
I hope for $3000 it has a digital clock on the door. I mean, what’s the point in living if my fridge isn’t an alarm clock?
I bet it would still drift by about ten minutes a month.
Which firmware version are you on?
Sundial1.14.07
There are more clocks in my kitchen than in any room in the house. It’s the only room I’m never quite sure of the time in.
You need to hire a middle manager.
Never buy Samsung appliances.
The refrigerators are truly terrible.
All their other appliances are perfectly fine. Just don’t connect them to the internet. In fact, don’t connect any of your appliances to the internet. Ever.
I had a client who bought a house with a Whirlpool double oven that connected to the internet, and it locked itself out because it thought the oven had been stolen.
I had to replace the control panel. It cost $1,100.
Is there some sort of epidemic of people stealing double ovens from homes? Why does a double oven need a touchscreen and a Wi-Fi connection? It even has a sensor for the ambient temperature in the kitchen.
An oven is supposed to do one thing: heat your food. That’s it. It shouldn’t be able to prepare your teenager for the SATs.
Artificial Ice
What is the benifit of AI in devices like fridges, washing machines and dish washers? We’ve had these devices for years now, even a 40 year old machine works flawlessly, just uses a bit excessive power. A fridge needs to cool, a washing machine needs to clean. They don’t need to do anything else, and they did this perfectly when we didn’t have AI.
So to my understanding, AI implemented into these machines is just a way to make it more expensive to buy, adds the option for a subscription for constant income acting as a paywall, gives the opportunity to hoard loads of data from the customers and makes it easy to brick the device just after warranty so people buy more of your devices.
TL:DR:
- Manufacturer benefits: 4
- Consumer benefits: -4
It’s part of a social model that needs everyone to work, even if said work has negative value.
We as a species have the resources to create a leisure society for all.
Instead we are trying to make conscious fridges that can’t freeze things.
There is desire and benefit in these things being smart devices and AI is just the stupid label slapped on every smart device after 2024. A benefit of a smart washer is that it can, theoretically, do a more thorough and more efficient job of washing various amounts, sizes, thicknesses, and materials in the load by measuring water usage, balance, weight, and output water condition. A smart fridge can, theoretically, do some lofty things that aren’t nearly as desired as just being a media hub. Streaming videos, reordering groceries on Amazon, displaying recipes, displaying weather, displaying pictures, etc - really mor elike a tablet stuck to the fridge.
Implementation of said benefits is a different story. They are obviously consumer surveillance devices with sales pitches to make them “the best” faster than the competition.
A friend of mine had a smart washing machine with AI installed in his building as the previous machine died just after warenty. He used it once but his clothes came out dirty. He now keeps using the old machine next to it, which is roughly 30 years old, as that machine properly cleans his clothes. Why the fuck do I need to know the weather when I grab some yoghert. I have a computer in my pocket which can do everything already. I don’t like to see ads whenever I grab something out of my fridge. I prefer my fridge to live longer than 3 years, and just cool things. Why the fuck would I pay more to give it a screen, then to pay monthly not to see fucking ads.
Well, bad news fridges still won’t last long and it has nothing to do with Ai or smart features. The industry has downsized the cooling systems for efficiency and environmental factors while making things quieter. The result is higher duty cycles and insulated system compartments generally leading to shorter compressor lifespan.
But yes, I generally agree. I’m not a smart device customer.
A refrigerator should never need an update. Smart appliances are the stupidest shit I ever heard of. A refrigerator should not need anything but an outlet and maybe a water connection.
look, i wouldn’t mind a dashboad where i could see when the dishwasher was run, that the rinse fluid is low, the temperature in the fridge ans freezer over time, how many times the ice machine refilled, when the AC on…
smart devices could have been cool.
what we got was the ability for the power company to turn of my fridge, requiring a broken app to run cycles on a dishwasher, and spying for no benefit in every device.
The idea has promise and i hold a small glimmer of hope for home assistant. But, like so many things companies did not give anyone what they wanted.
One of the reasons techies are burning out is because they are tired of seeing the promise of a new tech and watching it be used to enable surveillance.
For a fridge the functionality as an appliance shouldn’t be linked to the functionality as a device with a web browser. Ice bucket low? Sensor sends signal to app, fine. But the fridge doesn’t need to know that; it can keep using the float switch or whatever it used to before “smart”. Temperature tracking same thing - bolt a sensor and hook it to the app, but don’t use that app and sensor to control the fridge.
But to build an ecosystem like that you’d need a developer, you can’t just slop together an app, have you thought about the cost? And the shareholders!!
A lot of people using Home Assistant make some of those things happen.
I do too. But most commercial appliance integrations are hacks, and having missing featurea or dont really work most of the time. Many times I suspect skirting very close to violating TOS too.
HA is great if you have matter or zigbee or zwave. Probably even some of the proprietary in building protocols too. But these one off cloud commercial systems honestly suck in my experience.
I’ve run a household for 20 years and never needed anything like this
Need != could be useful
What would be really cool is if a fridge kept track of how fresh everything was, and alerted users when food spoiled, or was about to spoil, or on track to spoil given how seldom it was consumed.
I can’t tell you how many times yogurt or sour cream has gone bad in my fridge because everyone forgets it’s in there.
Also, detecting ice buildup and consequently adjusting humidity or water flow to the ice maker etc
i doubt it can tell that things are spoiling or moldy, decomposition, spoiling is a complex process, and may look normal ont eh surface but actually went bad if you "smell taste it.
More likely would be a system that uses cameras to see what you put in, alongside a program to identify what type of item it is, and a record of its estimated time of spoiling. Say you put in a pack of bagels, and the fridge deduces it is a new pack because you haven’t recently taken bagels out. The fridge estimates they will probably last 1-2 weeks. Then depending on how much they are removed and put back in, it might throw a reminder on the screen “bagels still good?” etc
In the UK barcodes are getting replaced with qr codes that include everything from best by to ingredients and allergens. A system could easily use that and you just scan the qr code when you put it in the fridge
Give me a washer, dryer and dishwasher that send my phone an alerr when they finish please.
With home assistant we usually monitor a smart plug: instant power goes above x value -> cycle has started, power goes (close) to zero for x time -> cycle has ended, send notification. In my case I raise a flag value that reminds me periodically to unload the machine until I confirm that I’ve done it
I just set a timer
Doesn’t work for washers and dryers that use sensors to tell when the clothes are clean/dry.
Thankfully, my set is “connected” in that you can connect to it to see status updates and adjust notification volume, but everything else is manual.
My fridge also has monitoring, and tells you if the inside temperature goes outside range. It also lets you toggle the ice maker, notify you when it’s full and adjust temperature of the three compartments. I can see that last one triggering something similar to Samsung’s gaffe if a firmware update hard locked the temperatures to negative values or something.
I didn’t know they made those without timers. Mine have those sensors too. I use the time setting.
Those sensors don’t work anyway. Just do it by time.
Those sensors don’t work anyway
Mine does… Both my washer and dryer will take longer or shorter of the alloted timer based on how actually “done” the wash is.
A 20 minute cycle on my dryer might end up finishing after 12 minutes. So it turns off.
And then you have to run it again because that sensor has a very different definition of what “extra dry” means than the rest of the world.
I recently had to buy all new kitchen appliances. They are machines, as simple as is available. I do admit the fridge does have digital controls, and they’re kinda nice.
Agreed. The idea of reminders that I bought something in particular and should eat it before it goes bad is an appealing one. This seems like the opposite of that, though.
Honestly, this is not outside of possibility. My 3d printer does more complicated metrics. I’d be willing to bet we’d be able to do aftermarket mods for that if anyone was willing to DIY these days.
not as bad as those people buying a SMART MATRESS.
Oh hell no
That’s nothing. We had to install a firmware update on a chef’s knife! 🤣
Why the fuck do you even own that?
I know right? Yet people buy them.
Like SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
If I ever find myself in a stable living environment, I think I’ll just buy a couple of cheap chest freezers and set one of them as a fridge.
Put a fan heater in one and strap an old HP touchpad to the side. Should be about the same experience as a samsung fridge
I’ve spent 20 days waiting for a part from China to (hopefully) repair my 18 year old very basic fridge because I refuse to get some stupid fucking touchscreen internet connected advertising box.
I fucking hate the modern world.
its pretty easy to get a fridge still without a touch screen. The 1st two pages on costco here (I didn’t go further) don’t have one.
You can sill get “dumb” appliances.
even fridges within the last 10-15 years are crappy. only the ones from early 2000s, or pre-2000 last a long time.
There were a ton of crappy fridges from back then, too. It’s just that most of them have already died.
The difference is almost ALL appliances built today are designed to die around the time the warranty expires. And, yes, I realize that’s been a trope for a long time, but now it’s far more true than it used to be. It used to be a joke, because it happened rarely, now it’s not a joke because it happens often.
Twenty years from now, there won’t be any appliances built today, still running.
This isn’t survivorship bias. The internet taught us that term specifically to excuse enshittification.
Thing is, they don’t have to be designed to die, or not directly anyway. As in enginees don’t usually sit around figuring out how to make a rubber seal break down at a particular speed. The product is just pushed to the absolute limits of the materials - thinnest, cheapest, fastest, and only rolled back if it widely fails and costs the manufacturer more to replace.
I guess the method doesn’t really matter when the end result is the same.
AI FREAKING FRIDGES!
“Engaging lock as per your command of maximum 4 snacks per day”
Did my stairmaster talk to my fridge?
Boy Lois, this is worse than the time the AI fridge called me a fatass.
NO ONE COULD HAVE FORESEEN THIS RIDICULOUS INEVITABILITY
